Dawoodi Bohra Forum

its very funny
1) you eat our food with both hands but criticize 2) you do not pay anything but cricize those who do pay why?
3) you do not believe in any bohra culture or tradition but call yourself true bohras
4)you believe in the post of dai but not in the dai tus himself
5)you call yourself true bohras(ha ha) and do not believe in the imam
6)you say you are the majority and yet cannot take control
7)when someone tries to explain all this to you you say its is your masjid and jamatkhana and your cemetery if so take control try to throw us out since you are the majority
if you are the majority elect your dai and usurp this position as the three did 1400 yrs ago
and call yourself the true bohras

please reply to this post to us (as you claim) few two or three remaining bohras who are with our moula tus

It is simple. "We" are trying to clean "our" system. No need to throw anyone out. We can afford to feed you.

Originally posted by profrog:
its very funny
1) you eat our food with both hands but criticize 2) you do not pay anything but cricize those who do pay why?
3) you do not believe in any bohra culture or tradition but call yourself true bohras
4)you believe in the post of dai but not in the dai tus himself
5)you call yourself true bohras(ha ha) and do not believe in the imam
6)you say you are the majority and yet cannot take control
7)when someone tries to explain all this to you you say its is your masjid and jamatkhana and your cemetery if so take control try to throw us out since you are the majority
if you are the majority elect your dai and usurp this position as the three did 1400 yrs ago
and call yourself the true bohras

please reply to this post to us (as you claim) few two or three remaining bohras who are with our moula tus

there u go again with yr little retarded froggy brain...

u say we eat "your" food? since when u did haram-nu-khawawala, ever give one free morsel to anyone??? YOU are in fact eating our food for free, for which WE contribute, albeit by force.. u and yr syedna and his parasite puppies are the ones eating food, no hogging on our food without contributing a single penny!!

as for the bohra culture that u follow on the farmaans of yr bhagwaan, is it the same one that allows u to say laanats on other human beings when u yrself are full of garbage, that allows yr syedna and his evil brood to loot us bohras, to travel and enjoy all over the world at our expense, to earn haram nu interest on huge deposits and investments worldwide which is OUR money? (edited)whilst claiming to be our spiritual leaders? to have no sympathy for widows or orphans and poor, but to screw them in the name of religion? show me where yr syedna or his (edited) shezaadas have given even one phutikaudi to any poor widow or orphan..!

yes, the reformists believe in the post but not the man, if he is evil and exploitative. that is something that someone with yr IQ of 50 will never understand. if george bush is a moron and a rascal, does it mean that the post of president shud be abolished?!

as for yr arrogant challenge of "take over everything if u are in the majority", sounds just like a street goonda. we know where its coming from.. first of all u people terrorise the simple bohras with baraat and arm twistings, and then tease them with go if u want to..

this is like bal thackeray telling the people of bombay, that who stopped u from leaving bombay, i am not forcing u to stay, and if u have the guts and any objection to my goonda raj, then come out and fight me! do u have the guts to go and kill bal thackeray or slap one of his shiv sainiks? even to abuse him? have u tried to refuse any of these guys who come to collect chanda for ganpati festival? u sound just like them..goondas all.

as for yr example of the first 3 khalifa's, that is way beyond yr pea-sized brain...u want to compare an elephant with an ant? it is in fact yr syedna who is the usurper, who has corrupted the position and made it filthy with his immoral, exploitative, zaalim type of rule and allowed this sort of corrupt and evil family and their paid managers to loot this community.

people like u who have got into the habit of getting a free ride and enjoying lavishly at others expense, will protest loudly and fight tooth and nail to protect their haraam ni kamai, and will try their utmost to prevent the sleeping bohras to wake up and realise yr evil.

what is yr share of the loot, btw? how much do u get paid to come here and abuse and fight?

<small>[ October 11, 2007, 04:27 PM: Message edited by: Admin ]</small>

It has been clearly established on this board that there was nothing that was usurped by the first three. Imamat was passed directly to Hazrat Ali by the prophet. He was the first Imam after the prophet passed away. No one usurped anything from him. Of course, it will be too much for the ortho idiots to figure that out.

will the abde syedna's keep singing the qawwali, 'ghanu jeevo..' after their present syedna has passed away from this world?

or will their voices become silent and they will look down in shame?

how about singing it (alongwith the music provided by bohra scout bands) at his funeral?

these burning questions need to be decided asap..

what will zulfi do when his parents pass away?

hey zully boy i never told you to leave but since you claim you progs are the majority i dare you to throw us out even if we are only two or three,try it and see what happens.as for the usurpers we now know where you stand.please please throw us out and claim the post of dai for your engineeer or insaap

at least then you might have some credibility left right now you are claiming to sit with us but being a prog thats hypocracy but why am i surprised thats the progs nature inherited from iblis

zully boy please arise the sleeping bohras and throw us out i dare you if you are a man (IT SHOULD NOT BE DIFFICULT SINCE YOU ARE THE MAJORUTY AS YOU CLAIM) haha haha

zully boy oh zully boy the prog bohras are crying for your help please help them arise and do something even if it is stupid

Originally posted by profrog:
hey zully boy i never told you to leave but since you claim you progs are the majority i dare you to throw us out even if we are only two or three,

If we imitate Syedna and try to throw you out, what will be the difference between us and the usurper sitting in badri mahal? As I said before, we can afford to feed you.
Tam ne sav izan che...

Originally posted by profrog:
i dare you to throw us out even if we are only two or three,try it and see what happens.

I know what will happen. You will shit at the thought of food insecurity and make our jamatkhanas dirty (and your white sayas yellow). Its better we keep giving you and syedna free food.

tahir,
only in udaipur in mumbai we feed u. just like insaaf roaming around down by badrimahal n saifee hospital.

Admin:
Please delete the following postins by Pig when I called him a DUKKAR which is the true Dawat E Lissan Translation I was asked to be polite I think this posting reflects why they should be addressed by Dawat E Lissan language a DUKKAR

Posted by Pig
he dont give a fucck.

Virtually everyone on this forum hurls expletives and diatribes against each other and their beliefs. Instead of promoting unity and growth, you foment divisiveness and resentment. Most assuredly the kothar and Burhanuddin's henchmen read this and are delighted to see that instead of focusing on the illegitimacy of their "daawat" and exploitation of their followers, you all are attacking each other.
Your posts are filled with pointless name calling, clear and open bigotry against other races and creeds, and barely disguised hypocrisy. Your posts simply promulgate more hatred. In fact, it seems that anyone who does not agree with someone's particular beliefs becomes the target of innapropriate and immature rantings.
Interesting twist - I would observe: same tactics used by Burhanuddin and his people.
Before any reforms can be instituted, you will need to learn about unity and tolerance. I suggest people research the methods of M. K. Gandhi and take some lessons.
Until you all stop acting out your emotions like prepubescent children, this forum is obviated.

Admin
Could you please delete my last post as it has expletive words posted by Pig

Originally posted by profrog:
i dare you to throw us out even if we are only two or three,try it and see what happens.

i told u on the same thread that u sound just like the thugs of bal thackeray and dawood ibrahim, who terrorise peace loving people and then challenge them to come out and fight if they have the guts. people like u have no ethics or morals and will go to the lowest gutter level which unfortunately we cannot.

when did u last slap a shiv sainik on his face?

as for yr threat of, throw us out and see what happens... tell me what will happen? please spell it out, c'mon dont be shy.

no one mourns the death of a pig or frog, you are just rotten meat for yr shezaada vultures.

Originally posted by jayanti:
what will zulfi do when his parents pass away?

let us worry about yr roohani bawa first, who is the bawa of the entire abde-syedna community...

answer me: will u sing the ghanu jeewo qawwali and pop song versions on his vafat? and on every 'jayanti' of his? all yr ghanu jeevo's went down the drain?

if he is the haqiqi kibla, haqiqi hilal, haqiqi quran, etc etc. then how can he die, and that too after the yelling of you and pigs and frogs, rocking to the groovy beats of ghanu jeevo?????????

if it pleases u, why not have all the contestants worldwide in all the various chapters of the american idol, british idol, canadian idol, indian idol etc, be judged on their ability to belt out the ghanu jeevo, set to the latest music of ar rehman?

i expect that all abde syednas will participate in large nos, esp u shiv-jayanti, pig and frog. u will win the prize of a million dollars hands down because of all the practice u guys have. all the best! pls dont forget to give a tagda calorie-conscious ziyafat of 1 kharaas, no mithaas and 3 salads to the fat zada's though!

i will personally give u the titles of MKD (maravto khaneet dawoodi) afterwards.

Originally posted by Safiuddin:

Before any reforms can be instituted, you will need to learn about unity and tolerance. I suggest people research the methods of M. K. Gandhi and take some lessons.
Until you all stop acting out your emotions like prepubescent children, this forum is obviated.

Safiuddin,
I appreciate your attempts to put things in perspective. People who started the reform movement actually moved on Gandhian principles and they still form the bedrock of it all.

Don't judge them from the verbiage on this forum. For the lesser mortals like us, it becomes very difficult to keep the cool while dealing with animals. Even Gandhi's first mass Civil Disobedience movement had to be aborted due to violance at Chauri Chaura.

safiuddin,

i have expressed similar sentiments as you on this forum previously but as tahir says there are a couple of fundamental differences with the analogy of gandhi v/s british. atleast the british had laws which they very proudly obeyed and implemented, even for themselves. secondly, the british were civilised people, who inspite of whatever atrocities their govt may have inflicted on india, eventually realised their mistakes and felt guilty about the enforced colonisation of vast numbers of people all over the world.

now compare with our kothar. can you call them civilised? do they have laws and rules enshrined in stone? moreover, they have the greatest weapon in their hand, which neither the british nor any political govt in history has ever had. viz. the total domination over the religiosity of its adherents and the power to ostracise and isolate any individual who dares to raise his head, thereby completely cutting him off from his family, friends, and the entire community.

did the british, or could they, deport any individual who rebelled against them? no. the kothar can. they can kick u out if u dont pay up as per their demands or dont conform. so u effectively cease being a bohra, no matter what u yrself may believe. if u rebelled against the british, and they jailed u, cud they obliterate yr indian identity?

so now u know whom we are dealing with.

besides, i am not an active member of the reformists, neither am i a member of any progressive jamaats. i am also not a spokesman for them. i come here simply as an ordinary bohra with reformist thoughts and leanings. my writings therefore shud not be taken as representative of the reformists' point of view or their approach or their principles.

in fact, they do not agree, and perhaps rightly so, of my vehemence and flaming ire in dealing with the kothari animals on this forum. sitting and observing from afar, it is easy to comment on the happenings by taking a dispassionate and detached view of the proceedings. get closely involved and then see how u feel.

I fully agree with zulfi, Theres a limit to patience, and ofcourse, these kothari animals here deserve every bit of what they are getting.

Hatred is what these animals are filled with towards those who dont agree with the system, courtesy brain-washing since 3 decades by kothar, which eventually has turned these orthos to zombies.

I personally tried to instill sense and understanding to orthos whom I know, but in vain, the extent of brain-washing by kothar is so high that sense and understanding actually bounces back, just does not penetrate their thick skulls.

Talking about Qayamat, I am sure the Kotharis are driving us towards the same. Infact being a part of this spineless community is equal to being in Jahannam.

If there something called re-birth, God, please dont push me in Jahannam again.

Originally posted by tahir:

Originally posted by Safiuddin:
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Don't judge them from the verbiage on this forum. For the lesser mortals like us, it becomes very difficult to keep the cool while dealing with animals. Even Gandhi's first mass Civil Disobedience movement had to be aborted due to violance at Chauri Chaura.

Just recall the violence of udaipur in the 1970's and therafter, you will realise(had you been there) who were the toppers on the barometer for violence.Bohra youth is nowhere behind in leading violence when compared to any gunda outfit.want to have a first hand view just talk to all those heros of bohra youth.

Originally posted by Al Zulfiqar:
safiuddin,

in fact, they do not agree, and perhaps rightly so, of my vehemence and flaming ire in dealing with the kothari animals on this forum. sitting and observing from afar, it is easy to comment on the happenings by taking a dispassionate and detached view of the proceedings. get closely involved and then see how u feel.

zulfi mere yaar tumhari flaming ire ki kahani ka trailer to zorshor se launch kiya lekin puri film release nahi ki hai abhi tak.bhai film kaun se sensor board mein atak gaye hai.AGreed that the orthos should have answered your burning question, since they are keeping mute why dont you open your fat mouth & spill all all the facts/fiction that is in your mind & let people know the reality.
for money point of view if you dont pay up then its upto you.bohrism is a sect & to run that system you need funds.now to avail the facility one has to bear the cost & atleast those who are financially capable must bear it.same is applicable for all system.take the bohra youth-do they not collect funds?they also collect finds & demand for it at various occassions.just take the case of ramazan in udaipur, every day there was food after evening namaz & to organise that you need funds, woh apni jeb se he ata hai & for that you have to give like it or not. Now dont say that nobody forces u to pay.

Originally posted by like_minded:
I fully agree with zulfi, Theres a limit to patience, and ofcourse, these kothari animals here deserve every bit of what they are getting.

Hatred is what these animals are filled with towards those who dont agree with the system, courtesy brain-washing since 3 decades by kothar, which eventually has turned these orthos to zombies.

I personally tried to instill sense and understanding to orthos whom I know, but in vain, the extent of brain-washing by kothar is so high that sense and understanding actually bounces back, just does not penetrate their thick skulls.

Talking about Qayamat, I am sure the Kotharis are driving us towards the same. Infact being a part of this spineless community is equal to being in Jahannam.

If there something called re-birth, God, please dont push me in Jahannam again

LM if you believe in islam then you should know that islam does not believe in re-birth so spell out feelings taht are nowhere close t islam.Talking about hatred, talk to any reformist in udaipur & they will make it a point to spill bad against the syedna,tell me is this not hatred?regarding installing of sense ,why not start this from your own house & lets see how many of your near & dear ones follow you.may be you might be the only one standing behind all that you say.Regarding being part of this jahanam,whose holding your hands, you are sensible,intelligent & able to make yoru decision,why not take a decision & leave this community take with you all those who have a lienage for your thoughts.May be im not an active member of this forum But your attitude reminds me of many people from the reformist heartland/battleground/chakraview whom i have come across & when u discuss with them their social identity they shy away from being a bohra and all they say is behrism is a shit

Originally posted by like_minded:
I fully agree with zulfi, Theres a limit to patience, and ofcourse, these kothari animals here deserve every bit of what they are getting.

Hatred is what these animals are filled with towards those who dont agree with the system, courtesy brain-washing since 3 decades by kothar, which eventually has turned these orthos to zombies.

I personally tried to instill sense and understanding to orthos whom I know, but in vain, the extent of brain-washing by kothar is so high that sense and understanding actually bounces back, just does not penetrate their thick skulls.

Talking about Qayamat, I am sure the Kotharis are driving us towards the same. Infact being a part of this spineless community is equal to being in Jahannam.

If there something called re-birth, God, please dont push me in Jahannam again

LM if you believe in islam then you should know that islam does not believe in re-birth so spell out feelings taht are nowhere close t islam.Talking about hatred, talk to any reformist in udaipur & they will make it a point to spill bad against the syedna,tell me is this not hatred?regarding installing of sense ,why not start this from your own house & lets see how many of your near & dear ones follow you.may be you might be the only one standing behind all that you say.Regarding being part of this jahanam,whose holding your hands, you are sensible,intelligent & able to make yoru decision,why not take a decision & leave this community take with you all those who have a lienage for your thoughts.May be im not an active member of this forum/either group But your attitude reminds me of many people from the reformist heartland/battleground/chakraview whom i have come across & when u discuss with them their social identity they shy away from being a bohra and all they say is behrism is a shit

I wish I could leave this community, there are many like me who thinks this community is dirt, because when you have a tyrant and his family ruling, dictating terms, enslaving, discriminating, looting its own people, then there is division, people who think they are slaves (brain-washed, like you) who submit meekly, for reasons best known to them, then, there are people like me, who dont give a shit.

If only blind-followers like you realize, what you are looking for in your Syedna is actually in you., just got to understand that, Its tough though, but not impossible.

The day you explore the potential inside you, You automatically get freedom, then you need no Syedna, no kothar to tell you what is right or wrong, You know it yourself. You are no more a slave, but independent, you get freedom, which is everyone's birth right.

Originally posted by Fruits:
Just recall the violence of udaipur in the 1970's and therafter, you will realise(had you been there) who were the toppers on the barometer for violence.Bohra youth is nowhere behind in leading violence when compared to any gunda outfit.

Please share your fruits of wisdom to tell us what exactly happened and who started it all.

LM if you believe in islam then you should know that islam does not believe in re-birth

Being an ortho (blind-follower of syedna) that you are, Talking about Islam is like a prostitute talking about virginity.

Even Syedna has no right talking about Islam, because he is doing exactly opposite to what Islam is all about. Islam is not about following, It is about understanding., which even the majority muslims across the globe have never understood.

Merely the customs, traditions are followed day in and day out, without understanding the spirit behind these.

If the spirit is understood, I am sure most problems facing humanity presently would cease to exist.

Originally posted by Fruits:
Talking about hatred, talk to any reformist in udaipur & they will make it a point to spill bad against the syedna,tell me is this not hatred?

If you can call Hussain's attitude for Yazid and Ram's attutude for Ravan as hatred, then well call this also a hatred. Syedna and kothar have earned this hatred with their deeds. Very few on this board are from Udaipur. Most people are within the comunity and have strongest of 'hatred' for Syedna cuz the old man deserves it. Shame on you for defending a tyrant.

Originally posted by tahir:

Originally posted by Fruits:
Talking about hatred, talk to any reformist in udaipur & they will make it a point to spill bad against the syedna,tell me is this not hatred?

If you can call Hussain's attitude for Yazid and Ram's attutude for Ravan as hatred, then well call this also a hatred. Syedna and kothar have earned this hatred with their deeds. Very few on this board are from Udaipur. Most people are within the comunity and have strongest of 'hatred' for Syedna cuz the old man deserves it. Shame on you for defending a tyrant.

Shame must be on you tahir for wearing the mask of a true syedna follower when partying with the orthodox & then coming on this forum & presenting yourself as a person with reformist linage.The majority of reformist from udaipur will educate their siblings about their bohrism agenda by teaching them first and foremost thing that always spill the badest of bad against syedna & then forget this bull shit bohrism as we have nothing to do with it.aur reformist ki apni pehchan yehi hai ki we are the ones can top the competition of speaking ill against the dawat & its people.jiska khate ho usi ko kosna to apni adat hai-A true pehchan of reformist, becoz hame to apna(tahir n company inc/llc/wll/ltd) fayda dekhna hai.And dont compare the aam n badnam like you & your folks with hussain.Even the images of saints like mother teresa was not spared,when people spilled ill against her