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[Tasneem]

Originally posted by MOHD HUSSAIN:
Look at this News Item & vaez-What do you make out of this? He is advising you that it is O.K . to do Gunahs (Sins) & then just wash it out by doing the Matam! Guess they are doing Gunahs every minute & so what a way to get out of it! Please open your eyes!--------------------------
" AKHBAR

Aaqa Maula TUS ye 23 mi Ratey Maghrib ni namaz vastey Saifee masjid ma Padhara.

Aaqa Maula tus 11 PM Badri mahal ni masjid ma tashreef laya ane Isha nu Faraz parhayun. Aaqa maula tus ye washeq baad , 40 vaar jamno ane 40 vaar daabo gal lotava baad ghana tadarro na sathey Vasilo lidho. Aaqa maula tus ye Mumineen vastey ghani ane ghani doa farmavi. Apan sagla na Reti (sand) jetla gunaho chhey, gini na sakai etla gunah chhey, aapney Gunah karvani aadat parhi gai chhey. Pachhi farmayun ke Inshallah aapney jivarey fajr taraf valisu to begunah hoisu. Maulatena Fatema AS nu ghanu matam karey ane aansu nikaley. Etlu roye ke masallo bhingai jai."

HOW is he saying it is ok to do sins, he is saying that we are sinful and we have to get them forgiven in order to go to heaven!

[Tasneem]

Originally posted by MOHD HUSSAIN:
As usual I have been showered with curses as this abde syednas have nothing better to do or reply in an appropriate manner-Any way I went thro the whole 15 days of news of Syedna"s visit to dubai in Moharram at Malumaat.com -There is no account of salient features of vaez each day, presented in any way for anybody to comprehend- Instead it was full of his pictures where in all these abde syednas are standing with their hands folded or doing Kadamboshis-and carrying the great Sultan on their shoulders -There are so many urgent problems in the community and around the globe facing the muslim community in general, but there was no mention about that! I do not know how many bohras comprehend his Lisan-E_ Dawat( The official bohra language)?

seeing how much you dislike the dawoodi bohra's i find it quite funny that you compell yourself to keep yourself updated with what is going on with us...anyway...there are iqtibasats available and reflections in english. Those are videos just to show a glimpse and videos about the shahadats and small parts of the bayan are available too... so don't know what you're talking about there. Moula (tus) cares about what happens to us Bohras, it takes a lot of time answering all the arzis of all sorts of questions and problems! what do you want him to do about the muslims in general? tell me, what are the other 'leaders' doing?

[Tasneem]

Originally posted by MOHD HUSSAIN:
Nagpur (27th Shawwal al Mukarram 1424 - 21st December 2003)


Aqa Maula TUS performs Iftitah of New Masjid

Aqa Maula TUS arrived today around Noon for the Iftitah of a new Masjid in the Saify Mohalla of Nagpur. Maula TUS lead Zohr Asr namaz after performing Waqf of the Masjid. Then Maula TUS delivered Waaz Mubarak after the Waqaf Namaz was read out and Maqdam was araz by the Jamaat committee of Nagpur.

The famous past time of the old man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the last time i checked, the opening of a masjid, praying i the masjid, and delivering a waaz was a good thing and should be done, i don't see what you trying to point out or by what aspect you were trying to belittle Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin (tus) whom you so irrespectfully call 'the old man'...he has a name, call him by that name...calling him 'the old man' just shows how barbaric you are

[Tasneem]

Originally posted by S. Insaf:
It reminds me of Urdu poet, Akber Alahbadi's words:
Quom ke gam mein dinner khate hain' hukkaam ke saath
Fikr Hakim ko bahut hai magar aaraam ke saath.

No other Muslim leader goes on constant visits to different places in the world as our Daiz-Zaman does. Muslim leaders know that research and writting work can best be done by staying at one place and not wasting time in roaming about. Our Dais of Yemen and Igpt origion have contributed a lot in Islamic and Ismaili litratures. Their rational interpretesion of Quranic teachings is a remarkable work. But Indian origion Dais' contributions in this regard is harly of any significance. Even late 51st dai Sayedna Taher Saifuddin, who claimed to be 'Shamshul-Duatul-Mutlaqueen' (Sun like personality in the stars galaxy of Mutlaque dais), has not contributed any thing significantly, except writing small pass time peoms like Ya Sayaddus-Shahuda, inspite of his scholarship in Arabic.
If lisane-dawat was a bearier, they should have opted for writing in Arabic or Urdu. But they all got stuck in inreasing their popularity in the community and thus seeking material benefit from it rather than doing something constructive.
Present Dai has cross all limits in glorifying himself in the community with vulgar show of illgotten wealth and further amassing wealth even at the advance age of Ibadat (prayers). The victims are the only saviers now.

saying that Syedna Taher Saifuddin (RA) did not contribute is utter rubbish. Have you forgotten his 40 risalats, his munajats, his many qasidas and marathiya. And let me clear this with you, Ya Sayyeda Shohadai is not merely a pass time poem!...the fact that you belittle it so is disgusting. The dais from india have contributed their vast knowledge in various ways, just because it isn't known world wide doesn't mean it didn't happen! Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin (tus) has contributed his share of munajats, books of knowledge, etc. as well. He has made so many zaris, qubbas, renovations of jameas and recently masjidul Kufa, and much more

[Anwar]

Tasneem, kan you please name one book given out by moula(TUS) or his father,Syedna Taher Saifuddin (Ex TUS), and where can I get one?

[Tasneem]

"EX TUS" ??? that doesn't make sense, and what's the use of showing respect when you don't really mean it?

i don't know the title of the books but Syedna Taher Saifuddin (RA/AQ) has written 40 risalats which are read during waaez and other events or occasions. I don't know wether the risalaats are available for everyone because it goes into haq and batin and a deeper form of knowldedge... and don't bother looking for them because you don't even know the zahir dude, so why don't you learn the a b c's before you try to read the analytical essay

[MOHD HUSSAIN]

Taneem- So stop being an ignorant slut as you have plenty of learning to do rather than accept what ever is told in Vaez is the word of Allah or something that need not be challenged!See the fact is whenever you ask them any detailed question they go on this Zahir-Batin stuff and they shut you up!In fact as Mr Saif Insaf wrote in one of his previous column this Syedna has not done any contribution to arabic or urdu literature that is worth noting- He has purchased the title of vice chancellor of Aligharh University for the sake of cheap publicity and never given any meaningful discourse on any religious subject either to university students or any other international venue!yes he does wonderful bohri vaezes in which his sole message is" Matam Karo- Matam karo- Saglane Hussain na gam siva bijo koi gam na dikhave - Maro daman pakadshe te sau jannat ma dakhal thai jase,"

[khan19922001]

Dear Mohd Hussain

Please do not use gutter language for Tasneem. She has her opinions and you have every right to disagree, but calling her an "ignorant slut" will not help.

Regards

[Tasneem]

thanks khan

well, the waaez are excerpts from the Quran, ahadith, kalaams, da'aaim ul islam, etc. so they are the world of Allah
they go into zahir-batin stuff...well of course they do, that's the explanation of the detailed question...
he didn't ask to be the chancelor, and he doesn't even care...why would he? his purpose in life is not to be popular, it's to guide the bohras. he has attended international islamic festivals and given speeches and met with scholars, so why don't you get your facts right before posting.
It is true he says that at the end of every waaez because it is an important part of our culture to do matam for imam hussain (as) and his dua is that we don't face any other ghum but imam hussain's (as) how is that a bad thing to pray that someone faces no trouble?! and what's wrong with reassuring us mumineen that he is always there for us?

[Tasneem]

*i mean "they are the WORD of Allah"

[Muslim First]

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Tasneem

AS

Please don't get carried away with this "Word of Allah” stuff. For your information

Quran is word of Allah

Ahadith: is not word of Allah

Kalaams: is not word of Allah

Da'aaim ul islam: was written by human being. May be it is Bible of Bohra religion. It is not well known as a Islamic religious writing.

If every spoken word of Mohd. Burhanuddin is WORD of Allah for you then you are grossly misguided.

All that ‘Batin’ stuff is one man’s opinion.

Wasalaam

[Anwar]

Firstly,Yes Khan is right, MH or for that matter nobody should be using bad language,and calling a lady slut is utterly disgressing and unnecessary. At least as civilised people, lets discuss and arque our point.Secondly, Tasneem, you say that moula(Taher Saifuddin)has written about 40 risalaats, I take it as books, so you have not read any of it have you? You cant name any books. And why has he written them if its not available for his followers to read and get knowledge? Is not knowledge to be shared and for all to learn from? It cant be that kothar is afraid/hiding something that is in the books? Taher Saifuddin moula has written 40 risalatts(whatever that means, cos I do not know what it means)you say, what about the present moula Burhanuddin? Can you name any, forget a book, but any litterature or contributed any article on Islam? For we are firstly muslims and then bohra, are we not, or is it the otherway round? If I am ignorant, who is to be blamed, me or my teacher/leader who will not share his knowledge and does not allow me or or give/reccomend me some books to read? And when you talk of haq, Zahir/batin frankly I do not know what it means, so excuse my ignorance. I like to keep things simple and uncomplicated. I do not hide my iqnorance behind some nice long fancy wordings and phraises.

[Tasneem]

MH~ well indirectly they are, ahadiths are by rasulullah (saw), kalaams are by moulana ali (as), the da'aim ul islam, well every single thing written there was approved by the imam (as)[just incase, i do not mean any normal head of the masjid, i mean the imamuzaman of that time period] and no one can argue that they would say anything that was against Allah. It is known to the shi'a community, if not to the sunni community perhaps because it was written by a shi'a.

And yes i do believe that whatever Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin (tawallaho umrahu sharif) says is right.

The batin "stuff" is not an opinion but knowledge better known as 'between the lines'. just because you don't understand that doesn't mean it's wrong... are you blessed with all the knowledge of the world to confirm that?

Anwar~ i haven't read the books but i have heard excerpts from it in bayaans and waaezes, that's how we get our knowledge, so it IS available. Moula (tawallallaho umrahu sharif) writes munaajaats every year (ie lailatul qadr). what do you mean by doesn't reccomend books to read. There are many da'wat books out there. Why don't you go to the sabaqs, the knowledge given there come right out of our books. If you get a chance, go and see the library in jameatus safiya, it's a huge library with numerous books that are our books. Keep things simple and uncomplicated eh? well sorry to say nothing is simple and uncomplicated enough to understand everything.

[Anwar]

Tasneem, books are written so that knowledge is spread.I hope the knowledge is to be shared by all, and not only for those who has the means and resources to go to jamia and its library to read.Going to waiz, half the time you do not know what the mulla is saying exept hear him cry and doing mataam, and its the same old story as last year and the year before.
I have been to sabaaks too, and the only regrets was I did not carry a taperecorder with me, so as to record the teachings and knowledge I got.It was utterly rubbish and disgracing to hear such a sabaak. Now you might ask who am I to judge? Yes you have every right to ask that. Let me name a few things and then you tell me was it worthwhile to attend and listen to such a sabaak?
1-- the reason we have dathi (beard) is so our vision(eye sight) remains good, and the mulla himself had a well grown dathi, and spects with lences thick as magnifying glasses.
2--the reason why we wear a ring with this stone (I cannot recall which stone)is so we do not get sick.
3--During moulas visit to NASA in US, moula said that its the sun that goes round the earth, and not the otherway round, and they were impressed at our moulas vast knowledge.
This are just a couple of things,having forgotten many other things, so now you tell me what did I learn from this sabaak.Yes nothing but BS.I do except that you hear good/decent things too, but the negative ones outweigh the positive.
How many on this forum have been to sabaaks and what is your experience?? That would be a good and interesting new post

[Tasneem]

Originally posted by Anwar:
Tasneem, books are written so that knowledge is spread.I hope the knowledge is to be shared by all, and not only for those who has the means and resources to go to jamia and its library to read.Going to waiz, half the time you do not know what the mulla is saying exept hear him cry and doing mataam, and its the same old story as last year and the year before.
I have been to sabaaks too, and the only regrets was I did not carry a taperecorder with me, so as to record the teachings and knowledge I got.It was utterly rubbish and disgracing to hear such a sabaak. Now you might ask who am I to judge? Yes you have every right to ask that. Let me name a few things and then you tell me was it worthwhile to attend and listen to such a sabaak?
1-- the reason we have dathi (beard) is so our vision(eye sight) remains good, and the mulla himself had a well grown dathi, and spects with lences thick as magnifying glasses.
2--the reason why we wear a ring with this stone (I cannot recall which stone)is so we do not get sick.
3--During moulas visit to NASA in US, moula said that its the sun that goes round the earth, and not the otherway round, and they were impressed at our moulas vast knowledge.
This are just a couple of things,having forgotten many other things, so now you tell me what did I learn from this sabaak.Yes nothing but BS.I do except that you hear good/decent things too, but the negative ones outweigh the positive.
How many on this forum have been to sabaaks and what is your experience?? That would be a good and interesting new post

If you don't understand half of what moula (tus)or mullah says, i don't think it is he is at fault but you. The same old story as last year?? i don't know about you but i learn new things in every waaez or bayan that i go to. Some riwayats are repeated but no one bayan/waaez is exactly the same as any other, they are all unique and something new is to be learned from all of them. Even if some are repeated, they are explained from a different angle, showing you a new aspect of the situation or event.

for your sabaq problems...
well the beard issue- i'm sure the one who says the sabaq got the information from somewhere, why don't you ask him who said this certain peace of information and you'll find out that it came from an awliyallah (As) so however strange the information seems, it is the truth.

the ring issue- if you say '786' and eat and have salt before and after your meal, that wards of sickness as well. If you cut your nails [every friday] that takes away 72 diseases. Do you disagree with these as well. Moulana Ali (as) said this i believe or an imam (as)~ do you regard these as 'utter rubbish'?

sun issue- "the sun goes around the earth"... that fact is true... i've been told about this before as well and it does make sense. Just because science sees it the other way round doesn't mean it's right, one day it will prove it to be the right way round again.

So no you haven't learnt BS but you have been told the truth. Just because you are not ready to believe it's true that doesn't mean it isn't. There are many things we will never understand because we don't have the propper knowledge.

if all the knowledge in the world was the size of an ocean....take a drop from there and pretend that the drop is the size of an ocean and you take a drop from that....that's how much knowledge normal human beings have. That is why there is a haadi for every zamaan with who Allah gives his noor of knowledge with which they are able to possess knowledge and understand the real meaning of the Quran (aka Quran natik) and teach it to their followers.

[WYP]

tasneem, dont take the bait. this is not the place to answer any questions about our faith.

[Anwar]

WYP, is right,no use discussing faith,its what one believs in and thats that, nothing wrong with that.But my point is nothing to do with faith, its knowledge. Tasneem,If I do not understand what my teacher says, then its his duty to make me understand.How can I be at fault, its he who is doing the explaination. If I knew or had the knowledge, I would not have wasted my time going to school, would I? Forget asking a mulla for any explaination to what he says, or he will label you a muddai. You just accept it without any questions. Yes I do agreee, as most would, that short,clean nails will keep the germs away and so you wont get deseases, that is basic commonsence, just like washing you hands before eating, but tell me what is the significans in cutting nails on FRIDAY? Would they not be clean enough on any other day? and 72 deseases???????Ofcours there are millions of things I do not understand, and I do not say they are rubbish, but at least I am given an explaination, which sometimes I do not like, but at least an explaination is given, but not in out sabaaks.You just take it as it comes, no questions.
sun issue- "the sun goes around the earth"... that fact is true... i've been told about this before as well and it does make sense. Just because science sees it the other way round doesn't mean it's right, one day it will prove it to be the right way round again."In science a proof is given,(some accept it & some dont thats ok) but what explaination have you been given to convince you? Share your knowledge and make me/us on this forum wisor too.
In bohri sabaak/majlis, you do not get knowledge, but brainwashed. One more experience I had was during certain ceremony, one mimineen read a translation of saifa in Gujrati, and he was stopped by a sheikh, and upon inquiry,got the answer that we do not use any translation but original language. Not a single person understood what was said, not even that sheikh who recited the saifa in original language.

[anajmi]

Hey Tasneem,

About the sun going around the earth, how does maula know about this? Did the Imam come in his dreams or does he have a telescope no one else does??

By the way, the sun does go around the earth, if you need a scientific explanation (which you will never get from maula), here it is.

The earth revolves around a fixed orbit and so does the sun. And hence when the sun completes one revolution along its fixed orbit, by the virtue of the fact the the earth has been revolving around the sun all this time, the sun also has revolved around the earth. Think about it.

[Tasneem]

if you don't understand something then why don't u try asking him for clarification? he wouldn't label you a mudai i've asked tons of questions and he has cleared my doubts!

hmm that's wierd...we read translations from our books. When i was in madrassa the information was given in arabic and translated in dawat ni zaban.

alright anjami i'm not going to tell you to stop believing what you want to believe. If you want to agree with science than go ahead. As for moula (tus) he has knowledge. The Bohras have this belief about 'nass' and with that comes the knowledge. There are many things islam has taught us that science has recently proven (we've gone over this before) for example toilet seats. Islam encourages the use of easter style toilets and it has been proven that it is more hygenic than the 'modern western toilets'...

[anajmi]

Tasneem,

I agree with everything that Islam says. The problem I have is with what your Maula says.

I am asking you a simple question. How does he know the sun revolves around the earth. Did he read it in the quran or did the Imam come in his dreams to give him this valuable piece of information. It is valuable right? After all he gave the speech to NASA and their future projects are based upon this fact right?

[Average Bohra]

Dear Wahabi Scientist,

I agree with everything that Islam says.

and your comments regarding your brethren committing videotaped beheadings are ?

[khan19922001]

Dear Average Bohra

Just to reply to your famous quote

" and what about your brethen cutting heads"

Well, they reacted to the American's army's handling of the Iraqi prisoners. Tit for Tat.
Everything is fair in love and war.

Regards

[anajmi]

Average Moron,

I mean I have to say that calling you an average moron is not accurate any more. I should start calling you a great moron or may be an Uber Moron!!

Please point out where in Islam it says that while beheading people in orange gitmo style jumpsuits, you have to videotape the beheading??

[MOHD HUSSAIN]

can somebody please enlighten about Syedna's visit to Pakistan & his meeting with various levels of Govt?Ofcourse the Kothar's mouth piece only publishes the pictures with no mention of the content!