Take all the time you need,.. because I don't think, anyone here is in a hurry.. & why do you want to discuss this, in another forum,, when you have the same privileges here??labbaikyaHussain wrote:^ id dont have time to argue what umar did....but if u are interested to know please search google or i welcome you to shia website shiachat.com for further discussion.
Syedna Saheb is 96 years not 100 years old
Re: Long live syedna(tus)
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Re: Long live syedna(tus)
This incredible labbaikyaHussain is coward low life vermin.labbaikyaHussain wrote:
^ id dont have time to argue what umar did....but if u are interested to know please search google or i welcome you to shia website shiachat.com for further discussion.
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Re: Syedna will be 99 years old on 12 Rabiul akhir 1432
it is 12th rabiul akhir, according to them it was 6th march 1915. But if you are not calculating accroding to misri calender then the dates would not match.
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Re: Syedna will be 99 years old on 12 Rabiul akhir 1432
Apologies. his date of birth is 20th rabiul akhir 1333 h.
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Re: Long live syedna(tus)
This "Salgirah Tamasha" is another money making tool not only for the zaadas but their followers too are not far behind, anyway it is 'jaisa raja vaisi praja'....... it is reported that the celebration which will be partly in surat has made the surtis into real baniyas. As most of the hotels are booked by the over zealous abdes, the surtis have decided to rent our their houses to the dumb abdes who will be flocking here like hordes of sheep and the rent they are charging is Rs.40,000/- for a 3 BHK flat which will be at the congested zampa bazar area and in dilapitated bldgs without lift and parking spaces.
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Re: Long live syedna(tus)
The hotels in surat are boooked to capacity well in advance by the abdes for the salgirah tamasha but there seems to be some bad news for the ones who have paid their advances towards those bookings. It is reported that kothar is desperately trying to rope in the PM, Dr.Manmohan Singh and Sonia Gandhi for the salgirah in order to add some glamour to the event and Surat being under BJP rule (Narendra Modi, butcher of muslims), the PM and Mrs.Gandhi would not be inclined to go there. Hence Mumbai could only be the chosen venue as it is under Congress rule where these dignitories would have no problem visiting.
Off course no politician visits someone for free and it has to be seen as to how much the dai contributes (officially and/or unofficially) to the congress party. So abdes be ready to buy some 'units' which may be anywhere between Rs.5552/- and above.
Off course no politician visits someone for free and it has to be seen as to how much the dai contributes (officially and/or unofficially) to the congress party. So abdes be ready to buy some 'units' which may be anywhere between Rs.5552/- and above.
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Re: Syedna Saheb is 96 years not 100 years old
A poem by bohras to the dai :
"At first I thought you lied only to me
Then I discovered you lie constantly
To everyone you know, you cannot be true
You’ve stolen and cheated, this is just you."
I searched for the truth in your eyes
Though I have been so misled by your lies
I need to believe what you say
But your actions have shown me your way.
I tried to believe you would change
And kept telling myself I was to blame
But now that we live worlds apart
It’s obvious you have no change of heart.
A good relationship is based on honesty
I don’t lie to you, please don’t lie to me.
But I fear you have little conception
Of living without constant deception.
At first I thought you lied only to me
Then I discovered you lie constantly
To everyone you know, you cannot be true
You’ve stolen and cheated, this is just you.
I wait by the seashore for the sound of your voice
I wait for your footsteps, it is my own choice
To wait here forever, on an island of dreams
Because life with or without you is not what it seems.
"At first I thought you lied only to me
Then I discovered you lie constantly
To everyone you know, you cannot be true
You’ve stolen and cheated, this is just you."
I searched for the truth in your eyes
Though I have been so misled by your lies
I need to believe what you say
But your actions have shown me your way.
I tried to believe you would change
And kept telling myself I was to blame
But now that we live worlds apart
It’s obvious you have no change of heart.
A good relationship is based on honesty
I don’t lie to you, please don’t lie to me.
But I fear you have little conception
Of living without constant deception.
At first I thought you lied only to me
Then I discovered you lie constantly
To everyone you know, you cannot be true
You’ve stolen and cheated, this is just you.
I wait by the seashore for the sound of your voice
I wait for your footsteps, it is my own choice
To wait here forever, on an island of dreams
Because life with or without you is not what it seems.
Re: Syedna Saheb is 96 years not 100 years old
One Firoz.T.Totanawala (Mobile: 9341213957/9035277701)
(Media Representative- Bangalore Dawoodi Bohra Community) has widely circulated a Press Release which finally confirms that Syedna is only 99 this year and that too according to Islamic Calendar:-
“Their spiritual and temporal head His Holiness Dr. Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin (TUS) will complete 99 years of his life and enter the grand 100th year as per the Islamic calendar which correspondingly falls on Friday 25th March 2011.”
(Media Representative- Bangalore Dawoodi Bohra Community) has widely circulated a Press Release which finally confirms that Syedna is only 99 this year and that too according to Islamic Calendar:-
“Their spiritual and temporal head His Holiness Dr. Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin (TUS) will complete 99 years of his life and enter the grand 100th year as per the Islamic calendar which correspondingly falls on Friday 25th March 2011.”
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The dubmest posts in the history of internet forums
Recently nitwits like Insap, AZ etc have posted that the Kothar have some how duped the Bohras into celebrating Syedna's 99th birthday as his 100th. One of the reasons given was that they fear that Syedna may not live to be hundred and they don't want to take any chances. These must be the most dumbest posts in the history of internet forums. We bohras celebrated his 90th birthday, his 80th, 70th, 60th and as far as i can remember there has not been a jump of one year which would be necessary if the Kothar were planning any such conspiracy. Now you guys don't mean that Kothar has been planning this for the past 50 years and had secretly jumped a year 50 or more years ago. 
You dumbos aren't much familiar to the Bohra's way of reckoning according to which when a person completes his 20th year, we say that he has turned 21 and celebrate his 21th birthday. This custom is common in all mainstream bohras and not particular to the Syedna or the Kothar. This way of reckoning is only considered in the case of birth day according to the Hijri calendar and not according to the Gregorian one. I hope after this, these dumb posts would end... But i guess i am expecting the impossible..
You dumbos aren't much familiar to the Bohra's way of reckoning according to which when a person completes his 20th year, we say that he has turned 21 and celebrate his 21th birthday. This custom is common in all mainstream bohras and not particular to the Syedna or the Kothar. This way of reckoning is only considered in the case of birth day according to the Hijri calendar and not according to the Gregorian one. I hope after this, these dumb posts would end... But i guess i am expecting the impossible..
Re: Syedna Saheb is 96 years not 100 years old
S. Insaf wrote:One Firoz.T.Totanawala (Mobile: 9341213957/9035277701)
(Media Representative- Bangalore Dawoodi Bohra Community) has widely circulated a Press Release which finally confirms that Syedna is only 99 this year and that too according to Islamic Calendar:-
“Their spiritual and temporal head His Holiness Dr. Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin (TUS) will complete 99 years of his life and enter the grand 100th year as per the Islamic calendar which correspondingly falls on Friday 25th March 2011.”
Mr. Insaf... I am still not able to understand what are you trying to prove...
Why you didn't scratch your head on this simple maths a 10 or 20 or 30 years back... were you waiting for this day to raise this dumb question...
Why emphasizing on 'according to islamic calendar'... we celebrate our maulas birthday as per islamic calendar always....
You acted childish by creating this post...
Re: Syedna Saheb is 96 years not 100 years old
Yes, crazies simply do not understand this math of reckoning age, snippets of which have been revealed on this forum. It is from the ilm of aal-e-Muhammad. Sayedna was born on 25 Rabi 2, 1333. Only in Misri Calendar, when 99 years are completed on 25 Rabi 2, 1432, 100th birthday will be celebrated.
According to Gregorian calendar, Sayedna was born on March 6, 1915. Thus, on March 6, 2011 he completed 96 years, but did we say it was his 97th birthday? No. of course not. Ilm of Aal-e-Muhammad does not apply to calendars of munafiqeen.
I recall among Bohras in East Africa, when talking about someone's age, conversation would go something like this:
Q. ketla waras no thiyo? (How old is he?)
A. baar pura thiya, ter-mu chaale che (Twelve completed, current is thirteenth).
However if they had asked according to ilm of aal-e-Muhammad, it would be like this:
Q. Gai milad ketla waras ni hati? (Which was his last birthday?)
A. Aapna pramaane, Gai milad ame ter-ma waras ni manawi hati (According to us, the last birthday we celebrated was his thirteenth.)
Now it is all clear.
All lies about this math applying only to Sayedna are demolished. It applies to all mumineen. Let us hope that other Muslims also benefit from this esoteric math of aal-e-Muhammad.
According to Gregorian calendar, Sayedna was born on March 6, 1915. Thus, on March 6, 2011 he completed 96 years, but did we say it was his 97th birthday? No. of course not. Ilm of Aal-e-Muhammad does not apply to calendars of munafiqeen.
I recall among Bohras in East Africa, when talking about someone's age, conversation would go something like this:
Q. ketla waras no thiyo? (How old is he?)
A. baar pura thiya, ter-mu chaale che (Twelve completed, current is thirteenth).
However if they had asked according to ilm of aal-e-Muhammad, it would be like this:
Q. Gai milad ketla waras ni hati? (Which was his last birthday?)
A. Aapna pramaane, Gai milad ame ter-ma waras ni manawi hati (According to us, the last birthday we celebrated was his thirteenth.)
Now it is all clear.
All lies about this math applying only to Sayedna are demolished. It applies to all mumineen. Let us hope that other Muslims also benefit from this esoteric math of aal-e-Muhammad.
Re: Syedna Saheb is 96 years not 100 years old
Better yet,porus wrote: Q. ketla waras no thiyo? (How old is he?)
A. baar pura thiya, ter-mu chaale che (Twelve completed, current is thirteenth).
"A. baar-mu besi gyoo, ter-mu chaale chhe"
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Re: Syedna Saheb is 96 years not 100 years old
the world does not understand the greatness and uniqueness of the syedna. he was a miracle baby from the start. he lived for 9 months + 1 year in his mother's womb. so that makes him a year older at birth already. this is unique in the annals of human civilisation. never has a baby been born who was carried for so long by its mother. neither the prophets, nor imams nor any of the panjatan. this was a sign from allah about the greatness of the syedna's soul.
the reason why allah did this was not only to show the world the miracle of the syedna's birth, but also to show the patience, fortitude and nobility of his mother. she not only bore him with great love, but displayed tremendous endurance at carrying him for this entire period. that is why she is accorded the highest honor in the bohra community today. her urus is celebrated with great reverence and enthusiasm, her ziyarat is done by millions of bohras every year and her memory is enshrined with a grand monument rivalling that of raudat tahera. she is remembered at every zikra vaez in surat and references to her are mandatory at every majlis, sitaabi, or religious occasion. she is as much an integral part of our lives as she was of the miraculous baby she gave birth to.
with these circumstances having prevailed even before syedna was born, why should anyone dispute the fact that he was already one year old when he was born? the world will never understand. as god sent down his only son jesus to this earth to save mankind, so has allah sent syedna as his own manifestation on earth. no wonder bohras proudly proclaim him as the noor of allah, veritably allah's own progeny, and naturally the syedna's family, as the descendants of this miraculous baby, being divine in their own right.
in fact, little do know the doubters and unbelievers know, but the syedna is actually 200 years old. allah has given him the amazing ability or privilege to acquire and absorb double of all the wisdom and knowledge in one year that any ordinary human being can barely manage in 2 years. this fact is only known to those who attend sabaks and reach its ultimate level - darajjatul akhira - where all these interesting facts are revealed in total secrecy. now is the right time to let the entire world and all of allah's creations know about the syedna and his even more greater mother. let us tear apart these curtains of hidden truths and let everyone be aware of who we are, the proud ashraful makhluqat abde bohras of allah's noor, our syedna.
now that each bohra knows the truth, you must bring 200 candles for his cake, 200 full 1 oz. gold guineas for his najwa and do 200 sajdas for syedna after each namaaz. indeed bohras are the most blessed on earth to have this noor of allah himself, allah's son, allah's brother and allah's holy spirit amongst us.
the reason why allah did this was not only to show the world the miracle of the syedna's birth, but also to show the patience, fortitude and nobility of his mother. she not only bore him with great love, but displayed tremendous endurance at carrying him for this entire period. that is why she is accorded the highest honor in the bohra community today. her urus is celebrated with great reverence and enthusiasm, her ziyarat is done by millions of bohras every year and her memory is enshrined with a grand monument rivalling that of raudat tahera. she is remembered at every zikra vaez in surat and references to her are mandatory at every majlis, sitaabi, or religious occasion. she is as much an integral part of our lives as she was of the miraculous baby she gave birth to.
with these circumstances having prevailed even before syedna was born, why should anyone dispute the fact that he was already one year old when he was born? the world will never understand. as god sent down his only son jesus to this earth to save mankind, so has allah sent syedna as his own manifestation on earth. no wonder bohras proudly proclaim him as the noor of allah, veritably allah's own progeny, and naturally the syedna's family, as the descendants of this miraculous baby, being divine in their own right.
in fact, little do know the doubters and unbelievers know, but the syedna is actually 200 years old. allah has given him the amazing ability or privilege to acquire and absorb double of all the wisdom and knowledge in one year that any ordinary human being can barely manage in 2 years. this fact is only known to those who attend sabaks and reach its ultimate level - darajjatul akhira - where all these interesting facts are revealed in total secrecy. now is the right time to let the entire world and all of allah's creations know about the syedna and his even more greater mother. let us tear apart these curtains of hidden truths and let everyone be aware of who we are, the proud ashraful makhluqat abde bohras of allah's noor, our syedna.
now that each bohra knows the truth, you must bring 200 candles for his cake, 200 full 1 oz. gold guineas for his najwa and do 200 sajdas for syedna after each namaaz. indeed bohras are the most blessed on earth to have this noor of allah himself, allah's son, allah's brother and allah's holy spirit amongst us.
Re: Syedna Saheb is 96 years not 100 years old
Hey Al Zulfiqar..i need ur help..plz plz plz..
So far,i have read ur comments and u sound smart...plzzzzzzzzzzz help me..i have a big issue..
thanx in advance..
So far,i have read ur comments and u sound smart...plzzzzzzzzzzz help me..i have a big issue..
thanx in advance..
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Re: Syedna Saheb is 96 years not 100 years old
Kutte ki dum terhi ki terhi...porus wrote:Yes, crazies simply do not understand this math of reckoning age, snippets of which have been revealed on this forum. It is from the ilm of aal-e-Muhammad. Sayedna was born on 25 Rabi 2, 1333. Only in Misri Calendar, when 99 years are completed on 25 Rabi 2, 1432, 100th birthday will be celebrated.
According to Gregorian calendar, Sayedna was born on March 6, 1915. Thus, on March 6, 2011 he completed 96 years, but did we say it was his 97th birthday? No. of course not. Ilm of Aal-e-Muhammad does not apply to calendars of munafiqeen.
I recall among Bohras in East Africa, when talking about someone's age, conversation would go something like this:
Q. ketla waras no thiyo? (How old is he?)
A. baar pura thiya, ter-mu chaale che (Twelve completed, current is thirteenth).
However if they had asked according to ilm of aal-e-Muhammad, it would be like this:
Q. Gai milad ketla waras ni hati? (Which was his last birthday?)
A. Aapna pramaane, Gai milad ame ter-ma waras ni manawi hati (According to us, the last birthday we celebrated was his thirteenth.)
Now it is all clear.
All lies about this math applying only to Sayedna are demolished. It applies to all mumineen. Let us hope that other Muslims also benefit from this esoteric math of aal-e-Muhammad.
Re: Syedna Saheb is 96 years not 100 years old
I think you do not have a valid argument and logical way to explain the 99 mi milad. This is the reason you use the abusive language.profastian wrote:Kutte ki dum terhi ki terhi...
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Re: Syedna Saheb is 96 years not 100 years old
The dumb admin has deleted my whole thread where i presented a prefectly valid argument.Maqbool wrote:I think you do not have a valid argument and logical way to explain the 99 mi milad. This is the reason you use the abusive language.profastian wrote:Kutte ki dum terhi ki terhi...
Re: Syedna Saheb is 96 years not 100 years old
We have not deleted your thread. We've merged it with this one as it deal with the same subject. Your post is here: http://dawoodi-bohras.com/forum/viewtop ... =60#p78079profastian wrote:The dumb admin has deleted my whole thread where i presented a prefectly valid argument.Maqbool wrote: I think you do not have a valid argument and logical way to explain the 99 mi milad. This is the reason you use the abusive language.
Re: Syedna Saheb is 96 years not 100 years old
On 97 birthday, on cake it was written "Happy 97th birthday", likewise for other years.aqs wrote:S. Insaf wrote:Syedna Mohammad Burhanuddin, 52nd Dawoodi Bohra Dai was born on 6th March 1915 at Surat. So in this 2011 he is only 96 years old.
Even according to Hijri calendar he was born on 20th Rabiul Aakhar 1333. So in this 1432 year he is just 99 and not 100 years old.
Why are Bohras celebrating his 100-birthday this year? Especially when Bohras believe and wish that he will live till the day of Qayamat?
I want my friends from the other side of the divide to respond please.
Insaaf Saheb,
i didnt expect this child like whining from you, that oh he is JUST 99 and not 100 and still people are celebrating his 100th bday. We are celebrating his entering the centennial year and not completion of 100 years.
And please do inform me what you believe to be qayamat.
But on his 99th birthday, it was written, "Happy 100th birthday"!!!
Aqs, if Kothar is celebrating his entering the centennial year and not completion of 100 years then why they wrote, "Happy 100th birthday???
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Re: Syedna Saheb is 96 years not 100 years old
Doctor Mubarak,
Rather than posting irrational replies on stupid subjects maybe you should have cared to respond to the insolent and disgusting thoughts of your "brethren in faith" for the Duat Mutlaqeen and Hudud Fodhola. Go read the replies posted on the topic " porus v/s Mubarak".
Seems like you have finally accepted their position and unsubscribed from the authority of Fatemi dawat and its Duat Mutlaqeen, not just present but past too. Otherwise, you would have definitely commented and condemned the remarks posted by your biradars on this forum.
Maybe you are too scared of them to post any comments against their arguments on the topic. You fear that if you oppose them you would be thrown out of the progressive biradari also. This is what you and all others who got misguided by Shaitan laeen and sought refuge with these munafiqs and kafirs have ended up with.
Your position reminds me of a famous saying: "Dhobi ka kutta na ghar ka na ghaat ka."
Rather than posting irrational replies on stupid subjects maybe you should have cared to respond to the insolent and disgusting thoughts of your "brethren in faith" for the Duat Mutlaqeen and Hudud Fodhola. Go read the replies posted on the topic " porus v/s Mubarak".
Seems like you have finally accepted their position and unsubscribed from the authority of Fatemi dawat and its Duat Mutlaqeen, not just present but past too. Otherwise, you would have definitely commented and condemned the remarks posted by your biradars on this forum.
Maybe you are too scared of them to post any comments against their arguments on the topic. You fear that if you oppose them you would be thrown out of the progressive biradari also. This is what you and all others who got misguided by Shaitan laeen and sought refuge with these munafiqs and kafirs have ended up with.
Your position reminds me of a famous saying: "Dhobi ka kutta na ghar ka na ghaat ka."
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Re: Syedna Saheb is 96 years not 100 years old
doctor,Doctor wrote:
Aqs, if Kothar is celebrating his entering the centennial year and not completion of 100 years then why they wrote, "Happy 100th birthday???
all this is taweel and to explain it would be impossible. ema arso daraaz thai jaase. ey tamari samajh naa bahar che.
syedna got ilham from imam in which he was told by allah, that by a miracle he had jumped 2 years, somewhat like a double promotion, and could celebrate his centenary all he wished. in fact his 200th birthday will be celebrated when he will be only 147 years old.
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Re: Syedna Saheb is 96 years not 100 years old
What is the difference between a Hindu performing 'Aarti' of Ganpati and bohras 'Wadhavnu', that too done by none other then the second in command bohra leader, Mazunsaab :-
http://akhbar.mumineen.org/2011/04/08/p ... saheb-tus/
http://akhbar.mumineen.org/2011/04/08/p ... saheb-tus/
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Re: Syedna Saheb is 96 years not 100 years old
See Photograph No.46.ghulam muhammed wrote:What is the difference between a Hindu performing 'Aarti' of Ganpati and bohras 'Wadhavnu', that too done by none other then the second in command bohra leader, Mazunsaab :-
http://akhbar.mumineen.org/2011/04/08/p ... saheb-tus/
Re: Syedna Saheb is 96 years not 100 years old
Doctor wrote: On 97 birthday, on cake it was written "Happy 97th birthday", likewise for other years.
But on his 99th birthday, it was written, "Happy 100th birthday"!!!
Aqs, if Kothar is celebrating his entering the centennial year and not completion of 100 years then why they wrote, "Happy 100th birthday???
Mubarak,
do you remember what was written last year, and can you show us where we have missed that one year. as you remember till 97th correctly so finding the mistake in last 3 years should be simple for you.