zinger wrote:Humsafar wrote:
You're evading the issue. Do you still think this forum had a role in instigating the Karachi attacks? Your answer will determine whether our brains are in the same place or not.
You are right. I should perhaps take back my words.
This forum is too insignificant in the world of Islam to be considered as reason for the attacks.
The pomp and show could be a reason.
Apologies for what i wrote. Please put it down to anger and frustration aimed at someone else, hitting the wrong targets
Thanks for graciously accepting your mistake.
In another post you ask, "40 saal main humne (reformists) kay ukhad liya hai"? If you had any familiarity with reformist history and its agenda you wouldn't be asking this? Have you ever wondered why there have been no Udaipur-like revolts in the last 40 years? It's because the mafia clergy shocked by what happened it Udaipur made sure that such a thing never happened again. They closed in on the community like a pack of hyenas, imposed new restrictions, dress codes, actively and violently suppressed all kinds of dissent, and turned Bohras surely and slowly into meek, salivating slaves. Unfortunately this was the consequence of the reform movement - completely opposite of what we had in mind, but not completely unexpected. When authority and power is challenged it tends to become more tyrannical. Viewed from another perspective, the mafia clergy was so
threatened by the reform movement that it was made to change the whole face, character and outlook of the community. As a direct consequence of the reform movement the Bohras have become more aloof and isolated and far more unIslamic. Of course we reformists would not like to put this down as our "achievement" but would certainly like to take credit for it. We've put fear in their evil hearts and exposed them as frauds that they are. So this is one aspect of "hamne kya ukhad liya".
As for the another aspect, the real progressive change, go to any reformist jamat anywhere in the world and see how we operate. We live with dignity, our money is used for the benefit of community, our jamats and our properties are ours, nobody robs us and we do not live in constant fear of being humiliated. We live life as all human beings should and as God intended us to live. This is another and the most significant aspect of "hamne kya ukhad liya".
Of course what we've failed to "ikhad liya" is to jolt Bohras out of their stupor. The propaganda of the mafia clergy and their stranglehold on the community has proved to be too overwhelming for us. Our resources are limited and we're much fewer in numbers - we are no match for the financial and political clout that the mafia clergy commands. We are like a band guerrillas fighting against an organised, well-oiled army. But people often assume - as your question suggests - that reformists should have increased their numbers in 40 years. From the foregoing you can understand why this was not possible, Secondly, and more importantly, it has to be understood that
reforms cannot be imposed from the outside. Wherever there are reformist jamats they are there because that's what people wanted. They stood up, raised their voice and acted. They are the result of their own efforts and guts. The agenda of the reform movement is not to
impose reforms on community but to provide information and awareness of our true religion and tradition, and inspire Bohras to the fact that another world is possible. Despite our best efforts the best we can do is make an educated, reasonable type like into a fence-sitter.
So the question, "hamne kya ukhad liya" is not so much a commentary on the assumed failure of the reform movement but the failure of Bohras to stand up to the tyrant mafia clergy.
The question you should be asking is: What is it that make Bohras so docile, so slavish, so spineless, so ignorant and stupid and so bereft of self-respect and dignity that despite all the shit that is done to them they still take it lying down? What will it take Bohras to "ukhado" this mafia clergy?
