Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics) - 2015

[zinger]

Oh boo hoo hoo... sue me for not knowing the nabi na naam. if you knew it so well then why not tell me your self? why did you let the dawat na dushman here tell me ? you should have immediately educated me

This is not the right channel for learning about your deen.If you don't rely on forums for your worldly education exclusively,then why do the same for your religion? A splendid example would be your own thread.Look what it has descended into.

And did i say that we heard hushed convesations in the 4 thaals that surrounded us? no? well we did. And did i tell you my extended family, all of them who are blind followers of Mufaddal Maula also feel taken aback? no? well they did.

Please feel free to write as long a thesis as you want, dont let me stop you

In addition to knowing about the private thoughts of everyone by the medium of silence,you also possess exceptional hearing ability to hear hushed talks in 4 thaals surrounding you. Bravo.

Also,you went through the trouble of taking a survey of your extended family as well which you have now brought to everyone's notice.Did you do anything more?

Funny you call others blind. An incident comes to my mind. A person approached Ameerul Mumineen Ali Ibn Abi Talib AS and professed love for both (Imam Ali AS and Muawaiyah La). Do you know what was the answer of Abi Turab Ali ibn Abi Talib AS? If you don't,feel free to create a new thread and ask dawat na dushman.

You are in no position to call others blind when you are blind yourself.I hope you don't puff up your chest and proudly claim to be Blind now like you have done earlier when your hypocrisy was exposed.

Yes I do have exceptional hearing. Happy?

By the way, the more u post, the more u help me make up my mind

[dawedaar]

Let's see what rubbish James dole out to defend whatever is written below.

Information for All Bohras about Muffadal Saifuddin Maula

• He has not passed High School.
He dropped out of school before 7th grade.

• He has had no formal education in the secular world.

• He does not speak English fluently. He had trouble figuring out what "fuwwara” means in English and
asked kids in waaz and they said (water) fountain.
We have not heard him speak a single sentence in English.

• He does not speak fluent Arabic.
He had trouble deciphering and translating a paragraph from Syedna Taher
Saifuddin's risala during Jamea exam.
When he was asked to do by Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin , he tried, fumbled and kept quiet.
Mufaddal Saifuddin’s supporters justify that he was quiet out of humility.

• He went to Cairo to learn Arabic language during the early years of Syedna Mohammed
Burhanuddin’s era. It seems he dropped out from there as well.

• He has learnt from Kothar and Jamea Ustads most of his young life, as do most Saifi Mahal children.

• Later he took sabaqs from Syedna Mohammed
Burhanuddin with all his other siblings.

• He is dependent on reading from a book in waaz.
It is unclear who prepares the script.
Mufaddal Saifuddin does not have command of his content. He has never been able to do waaz for 10 minutes without going back to the witten script.

• He takes Vasila by reading from a script. Syedna Mohammed
Burhanuddin only did this after reaching very old age.

• He has a problem of remembering things. He could not recall which year the alleged Nass
letter diary was showed by Syedna Mohammed
Burhanuddin . People generally remember very important dates of their lives (Nikah, etc). This Nass letter would be the most important of them all.

• He does not like museums.
He told kids in USA when Syedna
Mohammed Burhanuddin visited museum in 1986 - 'What is here to visit'?
• He sat ON the truck on Janaza of Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin, lacking knowledge that (especially one who claims to be the Dai), should WALK WITH the Janaza of a Dai as Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin did on Syedna
Taher Saifuddin's janaza.

• He went for Hajj after Syedna Mohammed
Burhanuddin was ill. He did not do Tahiyyat Tawaaf
in Kaaba as instructed by our doctrine. He said that Syedna Mohammed
Burhanuddin, when he did his last Umra, did not do it (for age reasons) so he is following him.

[Bohra spring]

Now what will happen is Saify Mahal will go in over drive to produce transcripts and certificates that he had doctorate in ABC , professor adjunct of CYZ , authored kitabe mansur

Mumbai me sab milta he , bhaijan !

[AgnosticIndian]

They are going house to house now and taking pledge to attend Ashara. WTF is wrong with these people

Next they will ask everyone to wear a dog tag with GPS transmitter to know where everyone is. It will in the form of some barakati shit that everyone will readily wear and sing praises of MS

[hamhyd]

They are going house to house now and taking pledge to attend Ashara. WTF is wrong with these people

Next they will ask everyone to wear a dog tag with GPS transmitter to know where everyone is. It will in the form of some barakati shit that everyone will readily wear and sing praises of MS

good this begining of down fall but i dont understand the concept of MS why he want number

[Al-Noor]

Muffy wants big number so that he can have big slice in dawat property, and people who are materialistic will be more lured to his idiocy. every year I attend all 9 majlises but since this year he is forcing this up, I will remain home or join online/offline shia majlises.

[james]

In addition to knowing about the private thoughts of everyone by the medium of silence,you also possess exceptional hearing ability to hear hushed talks in 4 thaals surrounding you. Bravo.

Also,you went through the trouble of taking a survey of your extended family as well which you have now brought to everyone's notice.Did you do anything more?

Funny you call others blind. An incident comes to my mind. A person approached Ameerul Mumineen Ali Ibn Abi Talib AS and professed love for both (Imam Ali AS and Muawaiyah La). Do you know what was the answer of Abi Turab Ali ibn Abi Talib AS? If you don't,feel free to create a new thread and ask dawat na dushman.

You are in no position to call others blind when you are blind yourself.I hope you don't puff up your chest and proudly claim to be Blind now like you have done earlier when your hypocrisy was exposed.

Yes I do have exceptional hearing. Happy?

By the way, the more u post, the more u help me make up my mind

Don't put the blame of your nifaq on my shoulders.If your imaan is so weak that it gets swayed from reading comments on a forum,then it is best you switch off the internet.

[Al-Noor]

@james

we all know strength of your imaan on muffy comes from the money he is giving to you, so please don't bring things which you won't be able to handle.

[qutub_mamajiwala]

Muffy wants big number so that he can have big slice in dawat property, and people who are materialistic will be more lured to his idiocy. every year I attend all 9 majlises but since this year he is forcing this up, I will remain home or join online/offline shia majlises.

why dont u then attend ska waez or online taher bs waez?

[Al-Noor]

Muffy wants big number so that he can have big slice in dawat property, and people who are materialistic will be more lured to his idiocy. every year I attend all 9 majlises but since this year he is forcing this up, I will remain home or join online/offline shia majlises.

why dont u then attend ska waez or online taher bs waez?

First let them speak truth about everything then only we can trust them they all are lying through their teeth right now and I dont want to listen any lecture from such people.... they are lying about everything.

First let them clear who they are and what position they hold in dawat...they must give up title of dai mutlaq which they are not. accept that they are dai nizaam.

[New]

This thread has gone astray in personal fights like we see betwee Kaka and Bhatrija.
Let me present this to break the fight:

Mola complained to Imam that he has a low number like 53, to which all the collections are pegged. He is tired of it. Can you please, promote me to a higher number? Imam asked have you been a good Dai? Yes Imam I have lived a very simple, honest, exemplary life and always been truthfull since the day one of Nass on me, no lies whatsever. Apno shukur that I got promoted to 53 by one digit.

Imam was very happy and said "Tathastu" (so be it in Sanksrit). I am increasing your number by whopping 367 digits. Mola got confused, "shukriya" that is a big number. But why this number? You know my seventh grade educated brain does not allow me to figure this out. Yes Imam said that is true, none of your abdes, be that be Ph.Ds,doctors, lawyers, accountants, None of them will figure out. That is a secret between you and me. Now go and enjoy the increased revenue, peg it to the new number, and do not forget my share.

So please, figure out now all the intelligent abdes what number our present Dai is. No hint...

[New]

With all the credits due to your father and grand fathe, Hey Muffadal Mola, how far have you taken us from Islam or is it New and Improved Islam? Let us compare our prayer houses:

In Bohra Masjid:

1. You are required to pray 2 rakat namaz for dai and not for Allah, QED, Dai= Allah or Allah = Dai
2. Ladies attend the prayers, fighting breaks out often.
3. Prayer spaces are sold or retain as inheritance as "Bap ka Maal"
4. Dai goes in behind a parda and talks to Imam in seclusion. The rumore is that he takes a nap.
5. All the Kasre Ali people go to front disproving that every one is equal in Islam, and in front of Allah.
6. Illegal money laundering takes place, in the US, the institution and the person writing loans (Karde Hasanat) must have a license which must be displayed.
7. In Chicago, they accept Credit Cards, is that Haram? Yes you are dealing with a business which does haram activities and you may pay an interes

8. Money flows freely one way via Hawala, internationally. Does not matter if poor gets anything. By the decree of dai there is nothing like a poor momin. If one, he or she will get cured by a phhonk.

Read on....

Very truely written bravo to the person who has written
DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A 'MUSLIM MASJID' AND A 'BOHRA MASJID'
A Muslim masjid is for all who wish to pray to Allah
A bohra masjid is not for muslims.

A muslim masjid is made for worshipping Allah.
A bohra masjid is for worshipping the dai, watching films on his travels
and bayans and celebrating his birthdays with singing, cakes and
banners, placards and lavish feasts.

A muslim masjid is ready for praying from the day that its 4 walls go up.
A bohra masjid is ready for praying only if its consecrated by the
dai, who injects life into it - a la the hindu ceremony of praan
prathistha, no matter how many months it remains locked awaiting his
arrival. even allah cannot accept yr prayers in this masjid, if dai
has not inaugurated it.

A muslim masjid does not require lavish decorations or fanfare for its
opening, no fat sums of money exchange hands to have a celebrity
inaugurate it.
A bohra masjid is extremely expensive to inaugurate. dai has to be
paid hefty sums, his pup zaadas have to be dined and felicitated and a
tyrant amil has to be installed with fancy accomodations, so that he
can terrorise meek and naive bohras.

In a muslim masjid, prayers take place.
In a bohra masjid, prayers are the least of the priorities. most
important is majlises, maatams, bayans, dareeses, misaks, live relays,
sitaabi's, top secret sabaks, and of course labrez jamans after every
occasion, whether sad or joyous.

In a muslim masjid, there is no singing, idol worshipping or rhythmic maatams.
In a bohra masjid they sing kufr filled songs glorifying their dai, do
sajdas to him and undertake weird hypnotic voodoo type dances in
circles, wherein they indulge in senseless self-flagellation and offer
it to their dai as a form of devotion. they ostensibly do this in
remembrance of the austerity, integrity, sacrifices and slaughter of
the prophet's progeny, but fall like hungry wolves upon lavish feasts
afterwards!

In a muslim masjid they meet happily, pray and disperse.
In a bohra masjid, they socialise, but hardly ever pray, and are in
constant dread of being summoned by the amil and committee members to
cough up huge amounts on demand. bohra masjids have a warren of
offices wherein the king is in his counting house counting all his
money and devising new schemes to lighten the pockets of timid bohras.

In a muslim masjid upon the call of prayer, muslims rush for prayers,
do wudhu and start praying In whatever clothes they are in to answer
the call of Allah.
in a bohra masjid, you are rejected if you are not in proper uniform
sanctioned by the dai (not Allah) and its ok if you pray only maghrib
fardh or zohar fardh prayers only.

[Moiz_Dhaanu]

To all people with a Reasoning mind and a truthful conscious...
Its OK to read all the different kind of arguments the abdes(Saif53, James , Adam etc..) of DMBS put out on this Forum(where freedom of speech is practiced) and other Dawat controlled websites/blogs(where freedom of speech is not practiced).

But one should keep in mind one thing always, that ,our ancestors were mumin and have followed the principles of shariat of Rasullullah (SW) and moulana ALi .
They gave us good upbringing and we are proud that our conscious are clear due to the right virtues passed down to us by our ancestors.
Hence no matter what our eyes see or have seen and what our ears have heard, but if our conscious is not agreeing to it (like the coercion and threats and high handedness) , then we need to realize that something is definitely wrong .

It is a well known fact that many people in early Islam did not just convert to islam because they heard Quran or feared the islamic armies...majority of people were attracted to the noble virtues of Rasullulah(SW) and the person that he was…..no wonder then that even at a young age the tribes of Arabia told him to decide as to who would put the Hajaru-l-Aswad (Black Stone) in the Kaaba...because they trusted him.

Now ask yourselves, do you even see even the slightest of such noble qualities in DMBS?.....here we cant even have a small community agree to his ridiculous demands.
Would you have ever followed a person like DMBS in those times if he was out proclaiming that he would lead you to jannat?
Just because he is son of Syedna Burhanuddin(RA), does not make him a sure-shot leader to take us to heaven….he simply does not portray any divinity in him.

Even for people who believe that Nass was done on him , they still can't get their heads around the fact that how can such a person with such anger management issues , low beliefs in secular education , and constant threat to his own followers about doling out money in order to gain jannat, be the Dai?

Well let me rewind back and refresh the past….we all know that even moulana ALi had to pray namaz behind the (1,2,3) when he was doing takiyat...
Now think for a moment that if we were in those times and we would have seen with our own eyes that Moulana Ali himself prayed behind them, would we be following the 3? ...Obviously not !!!
Because we have sense and understanding that those 3 never had the qualities of a true leader , and that it was quite obvious that Allah would never ever want his followers to have a leader with such inhumane qualities..

Similarly, being believers in Allahs mercifulness, how can we assume that DMBS (with all his nonsensical rants and fear mongering about Allah's wrath) be the right leader who will take us to imam and jannat?

In essence, do not always believe what your eyes have seen and ears have heard...but rather believe what you true conscious tells you.
Peace be upon us all

DMBS=Dawedaar Mufaddal Bhai Saheb

[ghulam muhammed]

Preparation - Huzurala Tus safar Mubarak to Godhara

[ghulam muhammed]

watsup msg :-

HADIYAH ARAZ BY DUBAI JAMAAT TO MUFFY....... IT REMINDS ONE OF THE GOLDEN CALF MADE BY NON-BELIEVERS DURING PROPHET MOSES TIMES AS SHOWN IN THE FILM 'THE TEN COMMANDMENTS', THE GOLD COINS ARE A BONUS !!

[ghulam muhammed]

ABDES OF BAHRAIN DOING MAATAM IN MASJID SO THAT MUFFY DOES HIS COMICAL,USELESS AND STUPID VAYEZ DURING MOHURRUM IN BAHRAIN

[think]

sorry guys. It ain"t working. Muffy moula will not let down 200 mumineen of Tahirabad, gliakot. Ashara will be in tahirabaad.

[think]

sorry guys. It ain"t working. Muffy moula will not let down 200 mumineen of Tahirabad, gliakot. Ashara will be in tahirabaad.

[new_james]

Testimony starting again from wednesday 29th July to 4th August.

This recent ashara propaganda is only to bomblast the community members so that they do not have any airtime to hear about the trial.

[zinger]

Don't put the blame of your nifaq on my shoulders.If your imaan is so weak that it gets swayed from reading comments on a forum,then it is best you switch off the internet.

yes i agree my imaan WAS weak. but thanks to you it is getting stronger now

By the way, am asking you again... do you personally see nothing wrong in some idiots of our community making Dolly wear our topi?

[Moiz_Dhaanu]

Yes I do have exceptional hearing. Happy?

By the way, the more u post, the more u help me make up my mind

Don't put the blame of your nifaq on my shoulders.If your imaan is so weak that it gets swayed from reading comments on a forum,then it is best you switch off the internet.

James , are you a little weak in understanding English?
Zinger has mentioned that your post is helping him make up his mind ..where did you get the idea that he is pointing to Nifaq?
Who the hell are you to call out Nifaq and Imaan of other Human beings?...
And by the way who died and made you the "Illahul-ard", coz last I heard, only Allah and his Awli-ya-ullah have the right to judge imaan and nifaq of any individual...
I am not surprised that you have self proclaimed yourself a judge of imaan of others ...Just like your Dumb master self proclaimed himself as Dai...After all its imperative that you abdes do what your Circus Ring Master does
Rather then telling others ,why don't YOU switch off the internet and enjoy your Thaali provided by FMB...why do feel yourself invited to this forum(since you already seem to be in High Imaan )...
We don't think we need your suggestions , coz it seems you cant even comprehend simple English...tsk tsk

[zinger]

Don't put the blame of your nifaq on my shoulders.If your imaan is so weak that it gets swayed from reading comments on a forum,then it is best you switch off the internet.

And just to clear the air with you my good friend James, my views are changing not because of comments on a forum but because of the antics going on in our community

[ghulam muhammed]

WATSUP MSG :

WE NEED SUCH BRAVE AND COURAGEOUS PEOPLE..... HATS OFF !!

[ghulam muhammed]

MUFFY'S MARKETING TEAM AT WORK !!


Miqaat Registration started for Godhra Safar Mubarak 1436H.

All mumineen intending to come Godhra should register on its52

Mehmaan Mumineen have to fill their Arrival Details. To make it easier Arrival Details of all the group members can be filled together by clicking "Update Arrival Details" button under "Steps" section in "View Members" page.

[dawedaar]

Who told u Ashara is in Galiakot?? In the audio circulating in bohra whatsapp circles, SMS just says that people from Taherabad have done araz that "Ashara Taherabad ma thaay" The audio starts with "Ashara Taherabad ma thaay" and this has caused many people to go on an overdrive and frenzy (Typical Abde behavior related to Ashara location news) declaring Taherabad as Ashara venue! Few points to take into consideration as follows!

1. Ashara location is never declared so much in advance. If declared so much in advance, Kothar will lose potential revenue from city jamaats coming for araz from now till few days before Ashara and as everybody knows, they won't come empty handed!

2. Taherabad is not a vantage point for conducting Ashara and will not serve Kothar's purpose of show off which everyone is alleging this year

sorry guys. It ain"t working. Muffy moula will not let down 200 mumineen of Tahirabad, gliakot. Ashara will be in tahirabaad.

[ghulam muhammed]

Labaik Ya Dai Allah - Jaora

[ghulam muhammed]

CONTENTS/TRANSLATION OF THE HANDBILLS SENT BY LOCALS OF GODHRA ON THE EVE OF MUFFY'S VISIT TO THE CITY :-

Dawoodi Bohra Dharm na Dharmguru Syedna sahib ni Godhra khaate ni padhraamni ne amo aavkaari ye che.

Khoob laamba samay pachi Godhra khaate Bohra community na Dharmguru Syedna sahib Godhra khaate aavi rahya che tyaare......

Aap duniya na sav thi dhanwaan dharmguru cho. Aap vishwa na sav thi mota daanvir pan cho. Aap no bhandaar gamey titlo daan karva chhata pan khaali thato nathi. Aap na sagar ma thi thodu Godhra na logo ne aapshoj evo darek ne vishwas chej.

BOHRA DHARM NA TAARANHAAR, DHARM SHIROMANI EVA SYEDNA SAHEB NU BHAVYA SWAGAT KARIYE.

Bohra community na upliftment maate Syedna sahib ne appeal kariye ke :-

Aap ni hazaaro crores ni sampatti ma thi phool nahi to phool ni paakhdi ni reetey Godhra ni bohra kom maate kaik karta jaao jem ke.......

1. Bohra kom ni girls na education maate kanya kelavni fund ma Rs. 10 crore aapso.
2. Bohra kom na jobless o ni rozgaari maate every jobless ne Rs. 5 lakhs business-vyavsaay karva aapso...
3. Bohra kom ni widows na monthly expense maate monthly Rs. 5,000/- aapi sakye, tetla fund ni arrangement kari aapso.
4. Bohra kom kalyan nidhi naam nu permanent fund ubhu kari aapso.
5. Jevi reetey Aga Khan ye potani maleli daan ne jete sthaanik kaksha ye 50% amount vaapre che. Tem Godhra ma thi maleli daan nu 50% amount Godhra khaate aapi ne jaavu joiye ane Godhra na logo na kalyan maatey vaaparvu joiye.
6. Godhra khaate ati adhunik multi speciality hospital banaavi aapso temaj tema darek patient ne without money (Free) saar vaar mali rahe tevi kaayam ni arrangement karso.
7. Godhra khaate ek vishal international school banaavi joiye jema vishal hostel ni arrangement pan hoi jethi students ne free international standards nu education Godhra khaate mali sakey.
8. Aga Khan ni jem Godhra na darek student ni kothar taraf thi Rs.2000/- monthly shishya vruti aapso.
9. Godhra khaate qabrastan ni baaju ma ek aadhunik garden banaavo joiye.
10. Dawoodi Bohra Masjid Vhorwad nazdeek pass thata meshri river ni both sides meshri riverfront (like Ahmedabad Sabarmati riverfront) banaavo joiye. Jya ek helipad nu arrangement kari sakaay jya Syedna sahib nu sidhu utraan karaavi sakaay.
11. Tuva khaate bannaar government medical college maate Rs. 15 crores ni help aapso.
12. Godhra khaate ek aadhunik medical college start karvi joiye.
13. Godhra khaate international level na playground banaava joiye.
14. Handicapped, disabled logo maate Rainbasera jevu banaavu joiye.

UPAR NU BADHU KARI SAKVA AAP SAKSHAM CHO (YOU ARE CAPABLE OF DOING ALL OF THE ABOVE)...

Dr. Sujaat Vali
Mukund Singhvi
Dr. Jayant Mayavanshi
Kalyan singh Parmar.

[seeker110]

Cancel Godhra.

[AgnosticIndian]

Moderated due to repetitious nature of quote
CONTENTS/TRANSLATION OF THE HANDBILLS SENT BY LOCALS OF GODHRA ON THE EVE OF MUFFY'S VISIT TO THE CITY :-

Dawoodi Bohra Dharm na Dharmguru Syedna sahib ni Godhra khaate ni padhraamni ne amo aavkaari ye che.---------------------------
UPAR NU BADHU KARI SAKVA AAP SAKSHAM CHO (YOU ARE CAPABLE OF DOING ALL OF THE ABOVE)...

Dr. Sujaat Vali
Mukund Singhvi
Dr. Jayant Mayavanshi
Kalyan singh Parmar.

Muffy will get a heart attack seeing this list of things to do and the amount it costs

[think]

mr. new, with 200 mumineen from galiyakot requesting muffy moula to do ashara in galyakot; do you think muffy will not fulfill the mumineens wishes. surely he cannot be a religious leader if he is going to hurt the josh and jazbo of galiakot mumineen.na, na na, eim kim thai, eim bannar nathi, muffy will have to make the hearts of galyakot mumineen happy. He will have to spend his loot in godhra to help godhra mumineen.