Bhopal to Mumbai via Indore

[Gulf]

gulf, asgharali engineer does not need to come to this forum to reply ??

so that what I was telling na... either he didn't know about this forum or admin banned him due to he is a failure reformist , misguided bohras, having relations with fake swamies, anti national lobby (mahesh bhatt) and many more [..] bada aaya tha reform karne....

[Smart]

I am sure he will reply when the Syedna comes here and posts his thoughts.

Why is the Syedna so secretive about his thoughts? Why does he ban the recording of his bayaans? Is it because he realises that he is a foot in the mouth artiste and his people have to apologise on his behalf?

Why does he and most orthies respond to reason with gaali galoch and laanat? Why can't they reason, discuss and argue like civilised people do all over the world?

[Gulf]

Why does he and most orthies respond to reason with gaali galoch and laanat? Why can't they reason, discuss and argue like civilised people do all over the world?

well, we don't respond with gaali galoch.. never... we just give an answer by PATTHAR in receiving of EENT [subject to depends on situation whatsoever] ..

because we have capibility to do this.. Al Hamdulillah

[Human]

Why does he and most orthies respond to reason with gaali galoch and laanat? Why can't they reason, discuss and argue like civilised people do all over the world?

well, we don't respond with gaali galoch.. never... we just give an answer by PATTHAR in receiving of EENT [subject to depends on situation whatsoever] ..

because we have capibility to do this.. Al Hamdulillah

Sounds funny and so obviously stupid like you, when you say filmi stuff like answering by PATTHAR when receiving EENT. I can guarantee that you do not even have 10% of knowledge of what Smart has, be it about ISLAM, Dawoodi Bohras or anything else. All you try is senseless debates and arguments. You are right, you are only probably good with throwing patthars, not with understanding truth or gaining knowledge.

[Human]

Oh and you ability to imagine that an 'eent' is being thrown at you when someone tries to enlighten you with truth, facts or knowledge just highlights your foolishness.

[Smart]

Gulf wrote
well, we don't respond with gaali galoch.. never... we just give an answer by PATTHAR in receiving of EENT [subject to depends on situation whatsoever] ..

because we have capibility to do this.. Al Hamdulillah

Brother Human,
Throwing stones is all they are capable of. Now you see to what pathetic situation the community has been reduced to.

[guy_sam2005]

well, we don't respond with gaali galoch.. never... we just give an answer by PATTHAR in receiving of EENT [subject to depends on situation whatsoever] ..

because we have capibility to do this.. Al Hamdulillah

Sounds funny and so obviously stupid like you, when you say filmi stuff like answering by PATTHAR when receiving EENT. I can guarantee that you do not even have 10% of knowledge of what Smart has, be it about ISLAM, Dawoodi Bohras or anything else. All you try is senseless debates and arguments. You are right, you are only probably good with throwing patthars, not with understanding truth or gaining knowledge.

yea right human,when u call us stupid its not gaali but when we reciprocate it becomes gaali..this is great reform....

[guy_sam2005]

Oh and you ability to imagine that an 'eent' is being thrown at you when someone tries to enlighten you with truth, facts or knowledge just highlights your foolishness.

truth???where is it.let me have some first........

[guy_sam2005]

Oh and you ability to imagine that an 'eent' is being thrown at you when someone tries to enlighten you with truth, facts or knowledge just highlights your foolishness.

and and and if you are so so enlightened why wasting time convincing us...you start your enlighted community have your graveyard do as you want

[guy_sam2005]

Gulf wrote
well, we don't respond with gaali galoch.. never... we just give an answer by PATTHAR in receiving of EENT [subject to depends on situation whatsoever] ..

because we have capibility to do this.. Al Hamdulillah

Brother Human,
Throwing stones is all they are capable of. Now you see to what pathetic situation the community has been reduced to.

yes i see and also feel sorry of the pathetic situation of reformists.....hope allah shows u a way out of this identity crisis

[guy_sam2005]

by eent ka jawaab ...also mean that the more you try to spread syedna hatred the more we will love and respect him....
1000times more than you guys despise him we will love him more..............

[Human]

yea right human,when u call us stupid its not gaali but when we reciprocate it becomes gaali..this is great reform....

guy sam, stupid is not a gaali. In English, stupid means someone who is dumber than dumb. If you think of that as gaali then I apologise.

[Human]

Oh and you ability to imagine that an 'eent' is being thrown at you when someone tries to enlighten you with truth, facts or knowledge just highlights your foolishness.

truth???where is it.let me have some first........

guy sam, so much proof is being given on this website. Is it not enough for you? Your answers on the other thread where questions were being asked about Moula were pathetic. Don't you with your true self think that you only answered all those things in sheer arrogance? You do see the facts but somehow are too scared to stand up against the lies, aren't you?

[Human]

Oh and you ability to imagine that an 'eent' is being thrown at you when someone tries to enlighten you with truth, facts or knowledge just highlights your foolishness.

and and and if you are so so enlightened why wasting time convincing us...you start your enlighted community have your graveyard do as you want

I do not claim to be enlightened. However I did come across truth that is kept hidden from dawoodi bohras. I read it and got the shock of my life. But then I did what I had to do, accepted the truth and stood up against lies. We can be selfish and live our own lives, but then think about it if Gandhiji was selfish would India have ever got freedom? We want to stand up for the truth, thus the reforms. I don't think reformists really wanted to start their own community. As you would have read the posts of more knowledgeable reformists, they are still dawoodi bohras. They do not want to refrain from that but they don't want to support unquestioned lies and financial torture either. Why do we have our own graveyard? We are dawoodi bohras and it is our haq to use the same graveyard, to be burried alongside our family members. Everything is simple when you take the easier option and just support lies, try supporting the truth and then you'll know.

[Human]

yes i see and also feel sorry of the pathetic situation of reformists.....hope allah shows u a way out of this identity crisis

You do not need to feel sorry. We do not need your sympathy. All we need is for more people to know the truth, so atleast the people with good heart will support the truth and help fight against the lies. Not counting on stubborn abdes like you. I hope allah will enlighten you and someday you will support what is true.

[Human]

by eent ka jawaab ...also mean that the more you try to spread syedna hatred the more we will love and respect him....
1000times more than you guys despise him we will love him more..............

I do not hate syedna. I do hate his family and the money laundering and all the sort of stuff they should not be involved in. All I really criticise about syedna is inspite of having the max power, he lets the spoiled family members have their way. To me it looks like syedna doesn't even make all the decisions, it is the family members who call the shots.

[ghulam muhammed]

the more you try to spread syedna hatred the more we will love and respect him....
1000times more than you guys despise him we will love him more..............

No wonder the community has SHRUNK from more then 1.2 milion to a meagre 6 lacs plus in a span of few years, although the average world population has more then doubled in those years. See how many thousand times more and more people go on leaving him.. oops loving him.

[Smart]

Oh and you ability to imagine that an 'eent' is being thrown at you when someone tries to enlighten you with truth, facts or knowledge just highlights your foolishness.

and and and if you are so so enlightened why wasting time convincing us...you start your enlighted community have your graveyard do as you want

We have not come to your abde site to convince you, It is you who has come to a reformist site.

Yes, we are in our community, i.e. the Dawoodi Bohras, it is the so called leaders who have usurped the properties and the institutions of the community and made it their personal property. Telling me to leave my property and rights, just because a set of crooks have taken it over and their chamchas tell me to leave if they don't agree with the mafia, just doesn't make sense.

The collective properties and the Institutions are what have been built by all of us including my family for generations. You don't take over with force and tell me get off if I don't like your Dadagiri. I, like the other reformists will fight for what is our right.

As for the grave yards, they are not owned by the community. In India at least they belong to the local body, i.e. the Municipal Council / Corporation. It is given to the community only for management purposes. So, what ownership rights are you talking about?

[Gulf]

We have not come to your abde site to convince you, It is you who has come to a reformist site.

Since you hv captured and use our comunity name on your web site .. usually our bro sis on net encounterd with your wesite and when see the stuff against our beloved moula the cant stop themselves to defend our stand.. and this will be happened untill u surender this website to us and we will wipe out this all naapaak stuff from the internet , web

[SBM]

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murda qabar phaar ker boola,
AT LEAST NOW WE KNOW FROM THE HORSES (SORRY ABDE GULF'S) MOUTH THAT THIS WEBSITE HAS HIGH TRAFFIC AND IT DOES SHOW UP ON SEARCH ENGINES THEN ANY OF THE ORTHO AND THAT IS THE MISSION OF THIS FORUM "mission accomplished"

[Smart]

We have not come to your abde site to convince you, It is you who has come to a reformist site.

Since you hv captured and use our comunity name on your web site .. usually our bro sis on net encounterd with your wesite and when see the stuff against our beloved moula the cant stop themselves to defend our stand.. and this will be happened untill u surender this website to us and we will wipe out this all naapaak stuff from the internet , web

You and your masters have a stupendous appetite for usurping what is not yours. Your masters have taken over all the properties of the community, they have taken over all the surplus of the community, taken over the hard earned money of the community by selling titles and space in the house of Allah and duping them in all possible ways. They have not spared the orphans, the widows, the poor and the indigent from their extortion. They couldn't be more inhuman than this.

Now you want to take over and wipe out this small website which is a beacon of truth? This truth is what you call naapaak? Since when has lies and gaali galoch become paak and the truth naapaak?

Buddy, you need to get out of your delusion and wake up, you have nothing to lose, but your slavery and that is not a bad thing for somebody who has been created by Allah as a part of "Ashraful Makhlukhat".

[S. Insaf]

...... this will happen untill u surender this website to us and we will wipe out this all naapaak stuff from the internet , web

Truth hurts. And this Web-site is most hurting as it is not confined to the community but opened to the world outside. The exposure of their misdeeds is worrying them!

[Al Zulfiqar]

be happened untill u surender this website to us

gulf, please convey to your handlers in saifee mahal that we are willing to surrender this website and stop exposing the misdeeds, exploitation, tyranny and unislamic activities of syedna and his parasite family on the following conditions:

1. return all community properties back to the community and their original owners, i.e. the jamaats, trusts etc
2. stop intefering in the affairs and administration of individual jamaats.
3. amils will be chosen by each jamaat based on that person's performance and khidmat to the jamaat. saifee mahal will have no say in the matter. this amil's vazifa and other expenses will be taken care of by jamaat, not mumbai.
4. syedna will not be responsible for collection of any money from community. each jamaat will fix its own fees to be collected from its members and all unislamic and other taxes not sanctioned by our deen will be discontinued.
5. community will decide how much % of funds collected from each jamaat will be sent for syedna's upkeep. his vast extended family is not the community's responsibility. his adult sons who are educated can find some jobs for themselves or work as amils.
6. jamaats and individual bohras will decide how they want to spend their money on community properties, for expansion, maintenance or charity. no interference or meddling from syedna and his family.
7. bohras will not be forced to wear restrictive dresses which are imposed upon them by force and which limit their interaction with the rest of the world. modesty and respect is compulsory in islam, not a uniform.
8. Syedna and his family will stop calling him sultanul bohra, haqiqi kaaba, natiq e quran, ilah ul ardh, etc. his sons & daughters cannot refer to themselves as shezaadas and zaadis.
9. jamaat committees will be appointed by jamaats themselves, not by syedna.
10. an unconditional apology will be issued to udaipur jamaat and broadcast on national TV.
11. neither syedna nor his family will have the right to excommunicate anyone at all or deny anyone the right to access our masjids/markaz’s.
12. syedna will resume activity of daawah like his predecessors and guide us in spiritual matters only.
13. all the present assets and income of syedna’s family will be required to be revealed to the community and surrendered, as they belong to community and are proceeds of illegally acquired wealth.
14. any acts of the syedna’s family which violate the laws of the land will be subject to legal proceedings for which community cannot be held responsible.

Let us first start with the above conditions. once they are fulfilled, we will cease our agitation, but on no grounds can we discontinue our jihad against any future corruption or moral degeneration which is part of human nature and for which we have to be permanently vigilant.

[Maqbool]

We have not come to your abde site to convince you, It is you who has come to a reformist site.

Since you hv captured and use our comunity name on your web site .. usually our bro sis on net encounterd with your wesite and when see the stuff against our beloved moula the cant stop themselves to defend our stand.. and this will be happened untill u surender this website to us and we will wipe out this all naapaak stuff from the internet , web

Mungerilal ke Hasin Sapne

[like_minded]

A fitting reply by Zulfi bhai, I fully endorse it!

[Smart]

Kudos to you Zulfiqarbhai, You have hit the nail on the head.

[S. Insaf]

10. an unconditional apology will be issued to udaipur jamaat and broadcast on national TV.

Sayedna Burhanuddin Saheb has already tendered an unconditional written and self-attested apology to Muslims in August 1988, which was read out on national TV in the presence of Maharashtra's CM and Maulana Ziauddin Bukhari. So by accepting this demand his position will not be further lowered down.
Rest all the demands are fair and reasonable. If they are accepted the community will enjoy the status that it was enjoying during Dais prior to Sayedna Taher Saifuddin Saheb. So by accepting these demands the position of the Daiz-Zaman will not be lowered down. It will remove the divide and unite the community.

As Shaikh Sadiq Ali Saheb says:
Bawaji galda thaya - dara thoda rahiya - Kikabhai jaldi karoo. (Father is old enough - His days are numbered - please act fast)

[Gulf]

r Saifuddin Saheb. So by accepting these demands the position of the Daiz-Zaman will not be lowered down.

is this all what you people stand for??

(Father is old enough - His days are numbered - please act fast)

does asgar baahu have children?

[SBM]

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and honey Gulf, DID YOU EVER MAKE SENSE?

[SBM]

Some Abdes asked what is Wadhawo Check this picture it will show what WADHAWO is same as AARTI OF GANPATI
http://www.zeninfosys.net/zeninfosys/ar ... rYear=1431
PICTURE NUMBER 6 and 7 specially 7 Let us see how quickly this disappears from the website just like the stuffed envelope.
Any more questions/