Yes, but if you live in some else's house(rent free) and you do not like the house, then you leave. You do-not linger around and try to change things in the other's house.anajmi wrote:gandh,
What you posted is completely illogical. For eg. If you are an Indian and do not like the country, you cannot just leave and go to another country right (well, not all can). Some decide to stay back and change the country for good. Similarly, the db religion is decaying and hence some responsible people who care about it have taken the task of improving it. Some prefer to live in the decay and will prevent others from cleaning it up too. You seem to belong to that category.
Inventing new religions is what has caused the problems in the first place. The Dai and his henchmen have already created a new corrupt religion called Dawoodi Bohraism which involves Dai worship. The progressives are trying to clean it up.why dont gulam and his friends invent a new relgion
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But you can try to change your own house if it is getting dirty and garbage is getting accumulated in every room right? You don't keep changing houses every time the previous one gets dirty. You take a jhadu in your hand and start cleaning it up.
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If you live in someone else's house, even for a long time, that doesn't make it your own. The owner can kick you out whenever he wants, plus you are free to leave on your own accord whenever you want...
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Yeh ghar tera hai na tere baap ka hai or na tere Dai ka hai. Yeh ghar hame Allah or uske rasul (saw) ne tohfe mein diya hai jiski hifazat karna, safai karna aur usme jo gandh payda ho gai hai use door karna, har imaanwale ka farz hai
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This house is not your's or your father's or your Dai's property. This house is a gift from Allah and his prophet (saw) and it is the duty of every believer to take care of it and clean it of its filth.
In English,
This house is not your's or your father's or your Dai's property. This house is a gift from Allah and his prophet (saw) and it is the duty of every believer to take care of it and clean it of its filth.
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Kyun DAI ka nahi. Naam Dawoodi Bohra hai. Naam dai ka hai. To us ka kyun nahi. Aur agar Allah ka hai to tere pet main kyun kira kaat raha hai. Allah pe chor aur apne ghar jaa.anajmi wrote:Yeh ghar tera hai na tere baap ka hai or na tere Dai ka hai. Yeh ghar hame Allah or uske rasul (saw) ne tohfe mein diya hai jiski hifazat karna, safai karna aur usme jo gandh payda ho gai hai use door karna, har imaanwale ka farz hai
In English,
This house is not your's or your father's or your Dai's property. This house is a gift from Allah and his prophet (saw) and it is the duty of every believer to take care of it and clean it of its filth.
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Tera Dai sirf is ghar ka naukar hai. Iska maalik nahin gadhe.
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Your Dai is supposed to be a servant of this house. Not it's owner you fool.
In English,
Your Dai is supposed to be a servant of this house. Not it's owner you fool.
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oh oh.... so now the cat is finally out of the bag.!!!profastian wrote:
The owner can kick you out whenever he wants,....
that the bohra deen is the personal property of the syedna and his parasitic family. they lay down the rules, the quran and islam be damned if the dai's rules clash with them, and the followers of this pseudo religion are the personal slaves (abdes) of this dai and all their wealth and assets are his to do as he pleases. his abdes can live in penury and struggle to earn a livelihood while the dai and his family roll in luxuries and a lifestyle befitting that of emperors...
wah bhai wah..!!
all these revelations in the days of muharram while hussain was fighting to uphold the cause of islam and moral values..???!!!
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I am surprised it is a revelation to you. We have been harping this on this forum for years. Bohra faith is the personal property of the DAI. So you people have no right to meddle in its affaris. I didn't think you to be that dumb.Al Zulfiqar wrote:oh oh.... so now the cat is finally out of the bag.!!!profastian wrote:
The owner can kick you out whenever he wants,....
that the bohra deen is the personal property of the syedna and his parasitic family. they lay down the rules, the quran and islam be damned if the dai's rules clash with them, and the followers of this pseudo religion are the personal slaves (abdes) of this dai and all their wealth and assets are his to do as he pleases. his abdes can live in penury and struggle to earn a livelihood while the dai and his family roll in luxuries and a lifestyle befitting that of emperors...
wah bhai wah..!!
all these revelations in the days of muharram while hussain was fighting to uphold the cause of islam and moral values..???!!!
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profastian,
Actually other, better and more educated abdes than you have denied the fact that Dawoodi Bohra religion is the personal property of the Dai because they were ashamed of this fact. The kept saying that the Dai is simply the caretaker in the absence of the Imam. It was the progressives who have been claiming for years that the Dai has made this religion is personal property and now they have forced shameless abdes like yourself to shed this garb of being true Islamic Mumins. Now as soon as your Dai stops meddling in the interpretations of the Quran of claiming rights over the ahle bayt, we will stop meddling in your affairs and let you do the way of the Daulleen.
Actually other, better and more educated abdes than you have denied the fact that Dawoodi Bohra religion is the personal property of the Dai because they were ashamed of this fact. The kept saying that the Dai is simply the caretaker in the absence of the Imam. It was the progressives who have been claiming for years that the Dai has made this religion is personal property and now they have forced shameless abdes like yourself to shed this garb of being true Islamic Mumins. Now as soon as your Dai stops meddling in the interpretations of the Quran of claiming rights over the ahle bayt, we will stop meddling in your affairs and let you do the way of the Daulleen.
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So now you think this pimply, callow bachchha is like these prophets you mention? No amount of logic will save you. The only thing that I can do is pray to Allah to give you taufeeq and some small quantity of brains to use that taufeeq.profastian wrote: Who told you he is demanding this show of respect. Maybe the others respect him on their own accord and bow in front of him.
And who told you that it is not ok to bow. Anything by the prophet or Quran? I can give you hundreds to examples in the Quran where people bow. Angles to adam, Jinnat to Suleiman, Brothers of Yousuf to Yousuf. Would you not bow in front of the Prophet. If yes, Why? Certainly because of knowledge. If you believe that it is not ok to bow, then that is the Islam you follow. You follow what you think is Islam and we follow what we think is. Who are you to give a bhashan. Why do you think your point of view is the right one? Every two bit proggy comes here and gives his own point of view and think it is Islam and what should be. Who gives you that authority. If you think it is not ok to bow, then don't do it. Who are you to comment to the behavior of others.
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the bohra dai is quite notorious for making false claims to properties which are not his own and being caught in the act red-handed. see the threads on this forum.profastian wrote:
Bohra faith is the personal property of the DAI. So you people have no right to meddle in its affaris.
his and your claim that the bohra faith is his personal property are as fraudulent as are his illegal claims over udaipur jamaat properties and his father's forcible expropriation of all bohra jamaat properties worldwide. forgery, lies, deception and cheating are all in a day's work for the syedna's religious administration.
if someone forcibly occupies your ancestral properties and pushes you out into the streets, will you object and take action or fall in sajda like the coward that you are? if that someone bribes, corrupts and threatens the authorities against your rightful claims, will you resist, or stand in line with your hands folded and bowing like a beggar?
to fight for what is rightfully yours and your community members', is that meddling in the usurpers affairs?
maybe you recommend showing the thieves the yellow on the seat of your pants as you do sajda to them out of fear?
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The enterprise of grief
The crowded lane leading to the arched gate of the tile-roofed Iranian Mosque, also known as Mughal Masjid, in Dongri has turned into a virtual valley of sorrow. During the day, young boys in black kurta-pyjama ensembles are glued to television sets that play videos of mournful poetry and melancholic discourses . In the night, mourners fill the mosque; those unable to find a place within catch the ritualistic collective mourning on TV screens, not just in the mosque's vicinity but in their homes in far-off Mumbra and Mira Road.
With Muharram being an article of faith for the Shias, it's not surprising that it has spawned a veritable industry that supplies discourses and mournful poetry. The 50-yearold Haidery Kutub Khana, a tiny bookshop near Mughal Masjid, houses innumerable books, cassettes, VCDs and DVDs recounting the sad stories on the battlefield. Many of these are shipped from Iran and Pakistan but there is an entire brigade of indigenous nauhakhans, much in demand during Muharram, who also cut CDs and DVDs.
Since no Muharram majlis is complete without the recitation of melancholic poems, many of these nauha narrators (they refuse to be called singers or performers) have made a career of it. Take Wasi Raza, Mumbai's leading nauhanarrator who claims to have started the trend of recording nauhasin the 1980s and has cut 12 albums so far. A failed playback singer, Raza is now thriving as a marsiya and nauha narrator. Then there's Mehdi Raza, who has been singing marsiyas since he was 12 and Mumbra-based Ayaz Ahsan, with 12 albums to his credit. Ahsan, who, interestingly, is an NCP corporator, also composes the tunes of the nauhas but avoids using music as it is taboo in Islam.
A few women are beginning to break into this male circle and registering their presence in the Muharram events. Shama Rizvi, who lectures at exclusive women's gatherings, has two sessions, one in Urdu and one in English. "The English lecture is attended mostly by women from upper-class Shia families who don't follow Urdu too well," says Shama, who travels to the US and the Gulf to deliver lectures on the tragedy of Karbala. But by far the most popular Muharram gathering is at the Mughal Masjid where Lucknow-based septuagenarian Maulana Mirza Mohammed Ather has been giving a discourse for the last 53 years and even made it to the Limca Book of Records for this. "Few speak with so much authority and clarity. He is a moderate maulana who can link the injustice at Karbala to the cruelty in the contemporary world," says Kausar Zaidi, who has anchored Mughal Masjid's majlis for the last 25 years.
So what's the turnover and profit of the Muharram industry ? All those involved claim that they are in it out of religious compulsions, not to make money. Singers say they don't quote a price for performances . "In 2008, one organiser in London asked me about the remuneration I expected," says Raza who has travelled across the world, reciting the poetry of grief. "I said I would accept whatever they gave."
Those who produce and sell Muharram poetry similarly claim that the profit margin is low, as this is deemed a "job to seek blessings" . "If we were into making huge profits, we would not be operating from this tiny shop but from a huge air-conditioned store. It is partreligious duty, part-business ," says Haidery Kutub Khana's owner Syed Anjum Haidery.
There are, however, those who disapprove of the industry that Muharram mourning has turned into. Scholar Dr Shaoor Azmi is displeased with the new trend of setting marsiyas to music -even if the "music" is just computergenerated beats-and selling the discourses on discs. Regardless of what purists like him feel, however, it's a trend that the young generation of Shias is now hooked to. Ask the boys outside Mughal Masjid glued to television sets and wallowing in the sorrows of Karbala.
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The crowded lane leading to the arched gate of the tile-roofed Iranian Mosque, also known as Mughal Masjid, in Dongri has turned into a virtual valley of sorrow. During the day, young boys in black kurta-pyjama ensembles are glued to television sets that play videos of mournful poetry and melancholic discourses . In the night, mourners fill the mosque; those unable to find a place within catch the ritualistic collective mourning on TV screens, not just in the mosque's vicinity but in their homes in far-off Mumbra and Mira Road.
With Muharram being an article of faith for the Shias, it's not surprising that it has spawned a veritable industry that supplies discourses and mournful poetry. The 50-yearold Haidery Kutub Khana, a tiny bookshop near Mughal Masjid, houses innumerable books, cassettes, VCDs and DVDs recounting the sad stories on the battlefield. Many of these are shipped from Iran and Pakistan but there is an entire brigade of indigenous nauhakhans, much in demand during Muharram, who also cut CDs and DVDs.
Since no Muharram majlis is complete without the recitation of melancholic poems, many of these nauha narrators (they refuse to be called singers or performers) have made a career of it. Take Wasi Raza, Mumbai's leading nauhanarrator who claims to have started the trend of recording nauhasin the 1980s and has cut 12 albums so far. A failed playback singer, Raza is now thriving as a marsiya and nauha narrator. Then there's Mehdi Raza, who has been singing marsiyas since he was 12 and Mumbra-based Ayaz Ahsan, with 12 albums to his credit. Ahsan, who, interestingly, is an NCP corporator, also composes the tunes of the nauhas but avoids using music as it is taboo in Islam.
A few women are beginning to break into this male circle and registering their presence in the Muharram events. Shama Rizvi, who lectures at exclusive women's gatherings, has two sessions, one in Urdu and one in English. "The English lecture is attended mostly by women from upper-class Shia families who don't follow Urdu too well," says Shama, who travels to the US and the Gulf to deliver lectures on the tragedy of Karbala. But by far the most popular Muharram gathering is at the Mughal Masjid where Lucknow-based septuagenarian Maulana Mirza Mohammed Ather has been giving a discourse for the last 53 years and even made it to the Limca Book of Records for this. "Few speak with so much authority and clarity. He is a moderate maulana who can link the injustice at Karbala to the cruelty in the contemporary world," says Kausar Zaidi, who has anchored Mughal Masjid's majlis for the last 25 years.
So what's the turnover and profit of the Muharram industry ? All those involved claim that they are in it out of religious compulsions, not to make money. Singers say they don't quote a price for performances . "In 2008, one organiser in London asked me about the remuneration I expected," says Raza who has travelled across the world, reciting the poetry of grief. "I said I would accept whatever they gave."
Those who produce and sell Muharram poetry similarly claim that the profit margin is low, as this is deemed a "job to seek blessings" . "If we were into making huge profits, we would not be operating from this tiny shop but from a huge air-conditioned store. It is partreligious duty, part-business ," says Haidery Kutub Khana's owner Syed Anjum Haidery.
There are, however, those who disapprove of the industry that Muharram mourning has turned into. Scholar Dr Shaoor Azmi is displeased with the new trend of setting marsiyas to music -even if the "music" is just computergenerated beats-and selling the discourses on discs. Regardless of what purists like him feel, however, it's a trend that the young generation of Shias is now hooked to. Ask the boys outside Mughal Masjid glued to television sets and wallowing in the sorrows of Karbala.
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I attended 8th Moharrum relay from Syedna. It looked that was an old waiz as it was of 3 hour duration. I thought this waiz was good, he talked about
people staying away from Alcohol and learning Quran and its meaning. I just do not understand if Syedna is telling us to read Quran and understand why we need Raza to read translation and why the SABAKS are so secretive. He even talked about people getting more education and then getting in the business but at the same time we see more DBs enjoying cooking and distributing Dabbas.
(Before anyone criticizes I did pay for Niyaz and Saabil so I did cover my cost of food)
people staying away from Alcohol and learning Quran and its meaning. I just do not understand if Syedna is telling us to read Quran and understand why we need Raza to read translation and why the SABAKS are so secretive. He even talked about people getting more education and then getting in the business but at the same time we see more DBs enjoying cooking and distributing Dabbas.
(Before anyone criticizes I did pay for Niyaz and Saabil so I did cover my cost of food)
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What about Shaukat Sarkar who had a licensed bar in his hotel and still the dai visited his house ? What about the rent that the dai gets from liqour shops in his property at Glamour bldg, Arthur bunder road, Colaba, Mumbai ? He meant stay away from Alcohol, not from people who openly indulge in the business. "Aa Hikmat ni waat chhe, tamne samajh nahi pade".SBM wrote:I thought this waiz was good, he talked about people staying away from Alcohol.
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bro.gm,ghulam muhammed wrote:What about Shaukat Sarkar who had a licensed bar in his hotel and still the dai visited his house ? What about the rent that the dai gets from liqour shops in his property at Glamour bldg, Arthur bunder road, Colaba, Mumbai ? He meant stay away from Alcohol, not from people who openly indulge in the business. "Aa Hikmat ni waat chhe, tamne samajh nahi pade".SBM wrote:I thought this waiz was good, he talked about people staying away from Alcohol.
you are right. there are so many shaikhs i know who are notorious for their drinking, wild parties, and gambling habits, esp. at playing cards. syedna has personally given them the title at his own hands and allows them access whenever they want to visit him. how come he doesn't know their character when abdes claim that he is ghaib na maalik? let us for a moment leave aside his miraculous powers, he has a vast circle of informants who can very well inform the syedna about these immoral characters, why do they keep quiet? or is it that money whitewashes away all their sins?
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Profs...
So when would you reply why you did not go to Friday Salah at Bohra Masjid or Markaz and why were you listening to Wahabi Khuta? Once again
which Wahabi Masjid and which country you listened to?
So when would you reply why you did not go to Friday Salah at Bohra Masjid or Markaz and why were you listening to Wahabi Khuta? Once again
which Wahabi Masjid and which country you listened to?
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well are you not trying for a very long time . and yet not succeeded also. as i said come back to me when you can muster more than 5000 people that is if you have the balls
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[b]So you also changed your ID from Profstatin to Gurugandhwani, seems like a disease for Abdes to keep on changing their IDS .[/b]gurugandhwani wrote:well are you not trying for a very long time . and yet not succeeded also. as i said come back to me when you can muster more than 5000 people that is if you have the balls
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i told you first also i dont care for all this bullshit. if you have anything prove it with 5000 people standing with you. i am sure you will not be able to do that. i am an outsider neither a bohra or a prog bohra. but i can side the syedna at present as you are on shaky ground nothing to prove just jugling with words and phrases . you need to work harder even a school teACHER CAN DO THIS IF YOU ARE MORE SPIRITUAL AND CAN CHALLENGE THEM AND GIVE THEM A RUN FOR THE MONEY THEN DO IT DONT JUST TALK. REMEMBER A CLASS TEACHER HAS TO TEACH ALL STUDENTS STUPIDAND CLEVER THE MANNER IN WHICH HE TEACHES IS THE SAME . YOU NEED TO KEEP MORE ATTENTION AS YOU BELONG TO YOU KNOW WHICH CATEGORY. BY THE WAY HAVE YOU FOUNF ONE OF THE BALLS YET OR YRT WITHOUT ANYSBM wrote:[b]So you also changed your ID from Profstatin to Gurugandhwani, seems like a disease for Abdes to keep on changing their IDS .[/b]gurugandhwani wrote:well are you not trying for a very long time . and yet not succeeded also. as i said come back to me when you can muster more than 5000 people that is if you have the balls
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Guru
I am grateful you are not part of Progressive and follow Kotharis because only Kothri Goons can teach you this kind of language
I am grateful you are not part of Progressive and follow Kotharis because only Kothri Goons can teach you this kind of language
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SBM / Profastian,SBM wrote:I attended 8th Moharrum relay from Syedna. It looked that was an old waiz as it was of 3 hour duration. I thought this waiz was good)
I really don't have much knowledge and information on profastian comment that Prophet spread Islam on the Sword too. but i would like to point out one of the bayan of Sydena (TUS) of 8th Muharram :-
If you guys can able to recall one of the incident recited by Sydena (TUS). thou I also can not remember it exactly but still trying :-
A Man came to Medina againts Islam. He was very known and fierce fighter of that Time. Then Prophet (SAW) asked people to come forward to fight with him but instead of going ahead they started maskhari and murmurs that why don't prophet himself go and fight. Then Prophet (SAW) asked Moula Ali and He raised to the occassion and If you can recall what Moula Ali (a.s.) said to him :- "Either you recite the Kalma and accept Islam Or i may need to kill you ?"
He replied : "O Ali, I don't want to kill you since i knew your father ( ABU TALIB), i want to avoid any fighting with you."
The Ali (A.S.) replied : I have no option but to kill you & then they started fighting and hence killing him Moula Ali (TUS) turn victorious out of it .
SBM,
I hope you remember this part of Bayan if you've attended the complete Waaa'z.
Profastian,
Correct me if i am wrong somewhere in the above post and please add more details, if in case you able to recall it.
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Stranger, a very good example. There are many others too. So many converted muslims. What do they think the wars during the prophet 's time were for? If all the Muslims converted because they were impressed by Islam, then who the heck were the Munafiqs? Even Allah mentions munafiqs in the Quran. Then they quote "La ikraha fiddin". But alas, they do not understand the Ayah. Of course there can be jabar in Islam(which just involves reciting the Kalima), after the kalima (by hook or crook), one becomes a Muslim but the ayah refers to the din of Iman and Ikhlas, there can be no jabar there. You can force someone to recite the kalima but not force them to mean it. Hence, they can become muslims by force but never mumin, There force is not allowed and is not even possible.stranger wrote:SBM / Profastian,SBM wrote:I attended 8th Moharrum relay from Syedna. It looked that was an old waiz as it was of 3 hour duration. I thought this waiz was good)
I really don't have much knowledge and information on profastian comment that Prophet spread Islam on the Sword too. but i would like to point out one of the bayan of Sydena (TUS) of 8th Muharram :-
If you guys can able to recall one of the incident recited by Sydena (TUS). thou I also can not remember it exactly but still trying :-
A Man came to Medina againts Islam. He was very known and fierce fighter of that Time. Then Prophet (SAW) asked people to come forward to fight with him but instead of going ahead they started maskhari and murmurs that why don't prophet himself go and fight. Then Prophet (SAW) asked Moula Ali and He raised to the occassion and If you can recall what Moula Ali (a.s.) said to him :- "Either you recite the Kalma and accept Islam Or i may need to kill you ?"
He replied : "O Ali, I don't want to kill you since i knew your father ( ABU TALIB), i want to avoid any fighting with you."
The Ali (A.S.) replied : I have no option but to kill you & then they started fighting and hence killing him Moula Ali (TUS) turn victorious out of it .
SBM,
I hope you remember this part of Bayan if you've attended the complete Waaa'z.
Profastian,
Correct me if i am wrong somewhere in the above post and please add more details, if in case you able to recall it.
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Br StrangerStranger wrote
A Man came to Medina againts Islam. He was very known and fierce fighter of that Time. Then Prophet (SAW) asked people to come forward to fight with him but instead of going ahead they started maskhari and murmurs that why don't prophet himself go and fight. Then Prophet (SAW) asked Moula Ali and He raised to the occassion and If you can recall what Moula Ali (a.s.) said to him :- "Either you recite the Kalma and accept Islam Or i may need to kill you ?"
He replied : "O Ali, I don't want to kill you since i knew your father ( ABU TALIB), i want to avoid any fighting with you."
The Ali (A.S.) replied : I have no option but to kill you & then they started fighting and hence killing him Moula Ali (TUS) turn victorious out of it .
These are rewayats without any references. Who transmitted this story? Which book it is in? Who was the person who came to fight with Prophet SAW?
This would be sufficient for Abdes but others need more concrete informations.
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The rawayat is during Khandak. The same war where the 3 morons ran away from the enemy. The man was Amar bin Abdewat. You could find references in authentic Sunni books.Muslim First wrote:Br StrangerStranger wrote
A Man came to Medina againts Islam. He was very known and fierce fighter of that Time. Then Prophet (SAW) asked people to come forward to fight with him but instead of going ahead they started maskhari and murmurs that why don't prophet himself go and fight. Then Prophet (SAW) asked Moula Ali and He raised to the occassion and If you can recall what Moula Ali (a.s.) said to him :- "Either you recite the Kalma and accept Islam Or i may need to kill you ?"
He replied : "O Ali, I don't want to kill you since i knew your father ( ABU TALIB), i want to avoid any fighting with you."
The Ali (A.S.) replied : I have no option but to kill you & then they started fighting and hence killing him Moula Ali (TUS) turn victorious out of it .
These are rewayats without any references. Who transmitted this story? Which book it is in? Who was the person who came to fight with Prophet SAW?
This would be sufficient for Abdes but others need more concrete informations.
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StrangerSBM / Profastian,
I really don't have much knowledge and information on profastian comment that Prophet spread Islam on the Sword too. but i would like to point out one of the bayan of Sydena (TUS) of 8th Muharram :-
If you guys can able to recall one of the incident recited by Sydena (TUS). thou I also can not remember it exactly but still trying :-
A Man came to Medina againts Islam. He was very known and fierce fighter of that Time. Then Prophet (SAW) asked people to come forward to fight with him but instead of going ahead they started maskhari and murmurs that why don't prophet himself go and fight. Then Prophet (SAW) asked Moula Ali and He raised to the occassion and If you can recall what Moula Ali (a.s.) said to him :- "Either you recite the Kalma and accept Islam Or i may need to kill you ?"
He replied : "O Ali, I don't want to kill you since i knew your father ( ABU TALIB), i want to avoid any fighting with you."
The Ali (A.S.) replied : I have no option but to kill you & then they started fighting and hence killing him Moula Ali (TUS) turn victorious out of it .
SBM,
I hope you remember this part of Bayan if you've attended the complete Waaa'z.
Profastian,
Correct me if i am wrong somewhere in the above post and please add more details, if in case you able to recall it.
What a cowardly cop out, you do not have much knowledge and information about Prophet spreading Islam with Swords but you know all other Rewayats. My question this is what is taught in SABAK that Prophet Mohammed SAW shoved the Islam as per your buddy Prof.. aka Gurugandh and you want him/her to authenticate your observations, a fox watching hens

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Did Umar[ra] ran away from battle of Uhud
http://islamistruth.wordpress.com/2011/ ... e-of-uhud/
http://islamistruth.wordpress.com/2011/ ... e-of-uhud/
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Thank you for the details bro.profastian wrote: The rawayat is during Khandak. The same war where the 3 morons ran away from the enemy. The man was Amar bin Abdewat. You could find references in authentic Sunni books.
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Br MF,Muslim First wrote:Br StrangerStranger wrote
A Man came to Medina againts Islam. He was very known and fierce fighter of that Time. Then Prophet (SAW) asked people to come forward to fight with him but instead of going ahead they started maskhari and murmurs that why don't prophet himself go and fight. Then Prophet (SAW) asked Moula Ali and He raised to the occassion and If you can recall what Moula Ali (a.s.) said to him :- "Either you recite the Kalma and accept Islam Or i may need to kill you ?"
He replied : "O Ali, I don't want to kill you since i knew your father ( ABU TALIB), i want to avoid any fighting with you."
The Ali (A.S.) replied : I have no option but to kill you & then they started fighting and hence killing him Moula Ali (TUS) turn victorious out of it .
These are rewayats without any references. Who transmitted this story? Which book it is in? Who was the person who came to fight with Prophet SAW?
This would be sufficient for Abdes but others need more concrete informations.
Profastian replied to your query i guess.
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SBM wrote: Stranger
What a cowardly cop out, you do not have much knowledge and information about Prophet spreading Islam with Swords but you know all other Rewayats. My question this is what is taught in SABAK that Prophet Mohammed SAW shoved the Islam as per your buddy Prof.. aka Gurugandh and you want him/her to authenticate your observations, a fox watching hens
Firstly, I have never enrolled or attended any sabak till date, hence i don't know what they teach there.
Secondly, I did not have much knowledge about it so refrain from commenting but since i heard this riwayat lately in the Waa'z, so was able to recall.
Thirdly, Rome wasn't built in a day. There is nothing to feel shame since gaining knowledge and learning is a gradual process and I am on my way.
Now, Instead of Diverting the Topic again. Can you please reply to below :-
As you have stated earlier that you have attended Sydena (TUS) 8th Muharram relay Waa'z. Then you must have listen to this specific Riwayat from Sydena (TUS).
So, Do you believe in him and the narrated Riwayat ? YES/NO. ( I hope its "YES" as you strictly mentioned earlier that you do believe in Da'i).
Still awaiting your reply on it !
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Stranger
Since I was the first one to ask you the question so GIVE ME A YES OR NO
Do you believe that Prophet Mohammed shoved the Islam as was described by your cohort Pro.. Do you support his stand a simple YES or NO and then
I will answer your question.
Since I was the first one to ask you the question so GIVE ME A YES OR NO
Do you believe that Prophet Mohammed shoved the Islam as was described by your cohort Pro.. Do you support his stand a simple YES or NO and then
I will answer your question.