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Re: Humsafar bhai & Reformist bhaiyon nu imtihaan

Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 3:42 pm
by truebohra
[Quote = humsafar]
You won't understand an intelligent answer even if it stared at you till it went blue in the face. BTW, to abde idiots you also have to explain the obvious.[/quote]






Pretty Obvious.. No clear answers only going round & round & name calling.
** Please dont reply my particular post. again Its enough & we need no further proof that you are lost of answer

Re: Humsafar bhai & Reformist bhaiyon nu imtihaan

Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 3:49 pm
by ghulam muhammed
truebohra wrote:We dont have because at that timet there was no Photography technology
It seems that you desperately need to take some history lessons in general. There was no photography technology, agreed but there were very talented painters and also very talented artisans mastered in the art of sculpture.

Re: Humsafar bhai & Reformist bhaiyon nu imtihaan

Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 4:03 pm
by Humsafar
truebohra wrote:
Humsafar wrote: You don't have them because the Prophet had explicitly prohibited such a thing. He eradicated idol worship. Every Muslim of every shade and stripe follows that edict. But Abde Taheri Bohras, Abde Burhani Bohras and Abde Shahzada Bohras just wallow in idol worship. Hallelujah!!!
We dont have because at that timet there was no Photography technology. Saudi are doing shirk along with us by keeping the phots of Kings & Princes at every place /muttawa office/airport govt buillding. ect. Glad to know their ignorance.
Worship . Idol Worship - Wow.. Accusation.. Accusation. no substantiation
How slaves justify their own slavery? How idol worshippers present twisted argument to justify idol worship?

Re: Humsafar bhai & Reformist bhaiyon nu imtihaan

Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 4:09 pm
by truebohra
ghulam muhammed wrote:
truebohra wrote:We dont have because at that timet there was no Photography technology
It seems that you desperately need to take some history lessons in general. There was no photography technology, agreed but there were very talented painters and also very talented artisans mastered in the art of sculpture.
Yes, today also there are talented painters & sculptor now. Do you find any paintings of Dai or Idols of Dai? There is a difference between painting / Idols & Photography? If it would have banned in Islam do you think the Saudis / Emirati etc would allow to keep their kings photos everywhere.

Re: Humsafar bhai & Reformist bhaiyon nu imtihaan

Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 4:11 pm
by Humsafar
truebohra wrote:
ghulam muhammed wrote: It seems that you desperately need to take some history lessons in general. There was no photography technology, agreed but there were very talented painters and also very talented artisans mastered in the art of sculpture.
Yes, today also there are talented painters & sculptor now. Do you find any paintings of Dai or Idols of Dai? There is a difference between painting / Idols & Photography? If it would have banned in Islam do you think the Saudis / Emirati etc would allow to keep their kings photos everywhere.
How slaves justify their own slavery? How idol worshippers present twisted argument to justify idol worship?

Re: Humsafar bhai & Reformist bhaiyon nu imtihaan

Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 4:15 pm
by truebohra
[quote ="Humsafar"]
How slaves justify their own slavery? How idol worshippers present twisted argument to justify idol worship?[/quote]
Again...
Worship . Idol Worship - Wow.. Accusation.. Accusation. no substantiation. What a ploy...

Re: Humsafar bhai & Reformist bhaiyon nu imtihaan

Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 4:18 pm
by SBM
TB
If it would have banned in Islam do you think the Saudis / Emirati etc would allow to keep their kings photos everywhere.
so in your opinion Saudi and Kurwiti kings follow true Islam? :mrgreen: let us see how Bawa Adam or Chela Progticide can justify this statement

Re: Humsafar bhai & Reformist bhaiyon nu imtihaan

Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 4:22 pm
by Humsafar
Here's another ploy...
Image

Re: Humsafar bhai & Reformist bhaiyon nu imtihaan

Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 4:23 pm
by truebohra
SBM wrote:
TB
If it would have banned in Islam do you think the Saudis / Emirati etc would allow to keep their kings photos everywhere.
so in your opinion Saudi and Kurwiti kings follow true Islam? :mrgreen: let us see how Bawa Adam or Chela Progticide can justify this statement
Forget about Saudi Kings & Kuwaiti kings. What do you think ? does keeping of Photograph at home (Anyone Family/Parent/Duat etc is unlslamic?)

Re: Humsafar bhai & Reformist bhaiyon nu imtihaan

Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 4:35 pm
by ghulam muhammed
truebohra wrote:What do you think ? does keeping of Photograph at home (Anyone Family/Parent/Duat etc is unlslamic?)

Bro truebohra,

You have been debating intelligently till now and your above quote does not suit your intellect. We keep photos of our parents out of love and affection but as regards dai, the photos are not only kept out of love but as a sign of worship. Havent you observed abde parents instructing their little ones to first kiss the dai's photos before leaving the house or before appearing for exams ? The same is with photos kept in wallets, cars etc wherein we see abdes kissing those photos at any given opportunity. I dont think they do the same with regard to their parent's photos. So there is a vast difference betwen the two.

Re: Humsafar bhai & Reformist bhaiyon nu imtihaan

Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 4:55 pm
by truebohra
ghulam muhammed wrote:
truebohra wrote:What do you think ? does keeping of Photograph at home (Anyone Family/Parent/Duat etc is unlslamic?)

Bro truebohra,

You have been debating intelligently till now and your above quote does not suit your intellect. We keep photos of our parents out of love and affection but as regards dai, the photos are not only kept out of love but as a sign of worship. Havent you observed abde parents instructing their little ones to first kiss the dai's photos before leaving the house or before appearing for exams ? The same is with photos kept in wallets, cars etc wherein we see abdes kissing those photos at any given opportunity. I dont think they do the same with regard to their parent's photos. So there is a vast difference betwen the two.
Bro GM,
Kissing Still i dont consider as an act of worship. It depends upon the niyah. We kiss the photo out of love & affection for our spiritual father & not for worship.If someone is doing it with niyah of worship then i agree it is wrong. Also Haven't you kissed the photograph of your kid, family when you are far away from them & only thing you have of them to remember is their photograph.

Re: Humsafar bhai & Reformist bhaiyon nu imtihaan

Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 5:07 pm
by ghulam muhammed
Bro truebohra,

I agree with your contention that kissing photos out of love is not worship but ask your conscience as to whether the abdes kiss the dai's photos out of love only and nothing else ? If that is the case then why is it almost a ritual to kiss dai's photo before some important event like exams, going on journey etc etc. BTW How many photographs of the Kaaba or Roza Mubarak of Rasul Allah (s.a.w.) do you see in bohra households as compared to the multiple photos of the dai in every size and shape ? This also answers the question of the present day bohraism turning into a virtual cult with the dai as the only focal point. Everything else including Prophet (s.a.w.) is now secondary.

Re: Humsafar bhai & Reformist bhaiyon nu imtihaan

Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 5:13 pm
by truebohra
Humsafar,
Whatever photos you have posted does not show any act of worship. What can be seen is people doing araz to thier Dai (tus)? They are bowing with respect & nothing more.
The act of worship is
Salat for Allah
Dua to allah (with /withour waslia of Wali Allah)
Dhikr of Allah & Wali Allah

Re: Humsafar bhai & Reformist bhaiyon nu imtihaan

Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 5:15 pm
by Aarif
Your arguments are not new & are similar to what Wahhabi use for justification against Shias. With your points Shiasm has be thrown out. (I know this would be fodder to the fire for Wahabis on this borad)
TB,
It seems you did not read all the posts in my other thread. The Shias are not suppose to worship anyone either. According to me the only difference between Shias and Sunnis is on the rightous succesor of the prophet after his demise. Apart from that both sects follow same Islam. As I have mentioned in my other thread if Shias are worshipping Maulana Ali then they are indulging in human worship and are deviants like bohras.
BTW: Can you please explain why bohras pray two rakat namaz for the syedna? Why they sing that Sajda tujhe wazib hein? Why they kiss the thighs of not only the Dai and his family members but also of petty aamils? Why bohras do maatam on all occasions? Do other Shias indulge in such practices?

Re: Humsafar bhai & Reformist bhaiyon nu imtihaan

Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 5:31 pm
by truebohra
ghulam muhammed wrote:Bro truebohra,

I agree with your contention that kissing photos out of love is not worship but ask your conscience as to whether the abdes kiss the dai's photos out of love only and nothing else ? If that is the case then why is it almost a ritual to kiss dai's photo before some important event like exams, going on journey etc etc. BTW How many photographs of the Kaaba or Roza Mubarak of Rasul Allah (s.a.w.) do you see in bohra households as compared to the multiple photos of the dai in every size and shape ? This also answers the question of the present day bohraism turning into a virtual cult with the dai as the only focal point. Everything else including Prophet (s.a.w.) is now secondary.
Bro GM,
I disagree again with you. If someone (few/many) are doing it with wrong intention that doesnt make the act wrong. Yes, we do have photos of Zarih of Rasulallah (pbuh) , Turbat of FatemaZahra (AS) & Zarih of Imams (AS) but they are few. But that doesn't mean we don't love & respect those personality. It is general tendency of people to cling to things which are near to them. For eg. Aqa Moula (tus) is present & alive among us (May allah give him longer & healthy life) & hence we find more of his photos & is similar case for Moula Muffadal bhaisaheb (tus). Also you will find less photos of Moula Taher Saifuddin (R.A) but that doesnt mean his importance is decreased.

Re: Humsafar bhai & Reformist bhaiyon nu imtihaan

Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 5:47 pm
by anajmi
I have a simple question for you. Let us say you have a picture frame with the word "Allah" written in it instead of the Dai. Replace every picture of the Dai with the picture of "Allah". Kiss this picture and show this picture the same kind of love that you do to the picture of the Dai. Which would be better?

Why have a picture of a Dai to kiss when you can have a picture of the name of Allah to kiss and that would be better because Allah is much better than your Dai and Allah is your God.

What do you say truebohra? Would you be willing to replace the picture of Dai with the picture of the name of Allah? If your answer is "Yes", then you are not a mushrik. If your answer is anything other than a "Yes", like a "but", or "or" or "because" or "just" or "however" etc etc, you are a mushrik.

So what do you say?

Re: Humsafar bhai & Reformist bhaiyon nu imtihaan

Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 6:11 pm
by truebohra
anajmi wrote:I have a simple question for you. Let us say you have a picture frame with the word "Allah" written in it instead of the Dai. Replace every picture of the Dai with the picture of "Allah". Kiss this picture and show this picture the same kind of love that you do to the picture of the Dai. Which would be better?

Why have a picture of a Dai to kiss when you can have a picture of the name of Allah to kiss and that would be better because Allah is much better than your Dai and Allah is your God.

What do you say truebohra? Would you be willing to replace the picture of Dai with the picture of the name of Allah? If your answer is "Yes", then you are not a mushrik. If your answer is anything other than a "Yes", like a "but", or "or" or "because" or "just" or "however" etc etc, you are a mushrik.

So what do you say?
Anajmi, We dont need just one name of Allah to Kiss. Most of the Abde Dawoodi Bohras read & kiss the Quran daily which contains 99 names of Allah.

Re: Humsafar bhai & Reformist bhaiyon nu imtihaan

Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 6:12 pm
by anajmi
So the conclusion is that you are a mushrik.

Thank you for answering.

Re: Humsafar bhai & Reformist bhaiyon nu imtihaan

Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 6:14 pm
by truebohra
anajmi wrote:So the conclusion is that you are a mushrik.

Thank you for answering.
By the way your conclusion does not matter...

Re: Humsafar bhai & Reformist bhaiyon nu imtihaan

Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 6:15 pm
by anajmi
I know. If it had mattered, you wouldn't remain a mushrik.

Re: Humsafar bhai & Reformist bhaiyon nu imtihaan

Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 6:21 pm
by truebohra
anajmi wrote:I know. If it had mattered, you wouldn't remain a mushrik.
A typical Wahabi style Fatwa... Now this Anajmi will decide who is Muslim & who is Mushrik. Anyways you are odd men out in this Shia Dawoodi Bohra forum.

Re: Humsafar bhai & Reformist bhaiyon nu imtihaan

Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 6:26 pm
by anajmi
I didn't decide. You decided. I asked you if you would replace the picture of your Dai with the name of Allah and you refused. Hence, you decided to remain a mushrik.

Re: Humsafar bhai & Reformist bhaiyon nu imtihaan

Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 6:31 pm
by truebohra
anajmi wrote:I didn't decide. You decided. I asked you if you would replace the picture of your Dai with the name of Allah and you refused. Hence, you decided to remain a mushrik.
Oh My Allah, what i have done. I have offended the great Anajmi. Now have to repent. I will not read & kiss quran. Instead i will do what the great soul has told me to do. Now please can you give your verdict. Can i be muslim now?? :shock:

Re: Humsafar bhai & Reformist bhaiyon nu imtihaan

Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 6:41 pm
by anajmi
Let me ask you this simple question again. Which one would you pick from the three options below?

1) Only pictures of Allah - muslim
2) Pictures of both Allah and Dai (unwilling to replace pictures of Dai with Allah) - mushrik
3) Only pictures of Dai (unwilling to replace pictures of Dai with Allah) - mushrik

I originally said option 3 would be a kafir, but I do not think that is correct. Mushrik is more appropriate.

Re: Humsafar bhai & Reformist bhaiyon nu imtihaan

Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 7:31 pm
by ghulam muhammed
How do abdes know that kissing photos of dai is an act of worship ? Simple answer is see the seerat of Prophet (s.a.w.). Now if at all this ritual was in line with Islamic beliefs then Prophet (s.a.w.)/ Panjatan Pak (a.s.) would have allowed painters of their era to paint their photos or would have permitted sculptures to carve out their idols. Was this done ? The answer is No. Because they knew that followers would then justify the act (as in case of dai). Every queiry is not "specifically" clear in quran or hadiths but there are many things which requires certain common sense and in this case it is crystal clear if we look at the life of Prophet (s.a.w.).

Re: Humsafar bhai & Reformist bhaiyon nu imtihaan

Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 4:15 am
by truebohra
The act of Worship are :
Salat for Allah
Dua to allah (with /withour waslia of Wali Allah)
Dhikr of Allah & Wali Allah


Other that anything you point out is out of respect / love & part of cultural upbringing & NOT WORSHIP

Re: Humsafar bhai & Reformist bhaiyon nu imtihaan

Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 5:02 am
by humanbeing
truebohra wrote:The act of Worship are :
Salat for Allah
Dua to allah (with /withour waslia of Wali Allah)
Dhikr of Allah & Wali Allah

Other that anything you point out is out of respect / love & part of cultural upbringing & NOT WORSHIP
True Bohra

Worshipping can be defined by act and intention. I agree with you that, actions of few or more people cannot be generalized over others. In this subjectives issues of faith and belief, to each it own. But we also need to understand that action and intention both defines worship by ritualistic kissing of Dai’s photos.

If I understand worshipping by your above mentioned explanation, then even many hindus are not worshipping. They love the idol for whatever reasons, they too are worshipping Param Parmeshwar (Almight one God) through those idols. They stand in front of the idols and frames with joint palms (namaskar) do aarti (wadhaavu), Prostrate, kneel down and take a piece of cloth from the idol and keep it with them for blessing

Worshipping is defined by actions and intentions, both are complementary. If one is kissing sayedna sahib’s photo out of love its an action as kissing by common sense is not exclusively part of worshipping. But standing with joint palms (namaskar) and a particular gesture of extending finger tips to the frame and touch the tips to the forehead and lips, added with prayers (Maula mane kaamyaab karjo, pass karjo, hifazat karjo, etc etc )is akin to worshipping. Also nowadays, any documents sents to local jamats as farmaan or announcements from sayedna sahib are ritualistically kissed by standing with overwhelmed expression of piety.

Also the question is, if these psychological influence which blurs the line between expression of love and worship important. Prophet Muhammad, Imam Ali, following Imams and following Dais would have arranged enough photos and sculptures to provide a reference for people to express love. But they did not do so, for very reason, those learned men were aware that such expression would be misleading.

Re: Humsafar bhai & Reformist bhaiyon nu imtihaan

Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 7:02 am
by truebohra
Since we are discussing worship
Please find an interesting article i found on net. I don't agree with this. You can see the fallacy of argument of 'A' which i find similar to what you are doing to DB's with respect to dai worship.



Apart from the Verbatims from Quran, we shall discuss some common points in the present context. There are many questions/disagreements which we come across on this issue quite often. Here we provide the answers to those in the form of conversation b/w “M” and “A” representing Islam and Vedic view respectively
M: Whatever you have written is all rubbish. We Muslims never worship Muhammad (PBUH). How can you say that Muhammad is equivalent to God in Islam?
A: It has been proven above that not only Muslims but even Allah sends Salah on Muhammad like poor angels and humans. So, this not only proves Muhammad worthy to be worshipped by humans but by Allah too! Moreover, it seems to be a fundamental problem with most of our Muslim friends that they get stuck to the terms without knowing the meanings of those. How does it matter if your relation with Muhammad is not as that of worshipper and worshipped when your worship is useless without reciting his name? You claim to worship Allah alone! Then why Muhammad comes in between always? Can any of your Salah be accepted by Allah if you don’t recite “Muhammad ur Rasool Allah” along with “La illah illallah”? If not, you have some relation “X” with Muhammad which is greater than your relation of worshipping with Allah, because without “X”, your worship of Allah is invalid. Thus if worshipping Muhammad is a Shirk, “Xing” is a greater Shirk because “X” has more importance than “worshipping” for a Muslim and since “X” is related with a human (Muhammad), doing it is a bigger sin than Shirk.
M: No, we don’t worship Muhammad (PBUH). Allah has ordered us to recite his name and we have to obey His commands. So we are obeying Allah, it has nothing to do with the worship of Muhammad (PBUH).
A: Explained above. How do you know that Allah ordered you to do so?
M: Through Muhammad in Quran.
A: So you got to know from Muhammad himself that you have to remember Muhammad in prayers!
M: Yes because Muhammad (PBUH) was final messenger of Allah.
A: What proofs do you have that Quran is the word of God and Muhammad is the messenger?
M: Allah revealed it on Prophet Muhammad 1400 years ago. It has not changed till date and is scientifically proven book. This is the proof that Quran is the word of God.
A: Why do you believe in those words blindly? How do you know that Muhammad did not lie? How do you know that Muhammad was actual prophet and not someone cheating and lying to the ignorant Arabs? What if I stand up today and say that I am a messenger of God? What logic you will have against my claim other than your own blind belief in which you are already engaged in? Regarding Quran, it is as illogical to claim Quran to be from God on the bases of unchanged verses and science as if I claim that all the articles on Satyagni are unchanged till date and the books of optics, classical mechanics etc are all scientifically proven books and thus all science books and Satyagni articles are from Allah!
M: Quran had science 1400 years ago. Who could have written it 1400 years ago other than Allah if it is full of the concepts of modern science?
A: OK. What if I prove some verses of Quran to be unscientific?
M: You can not do that!
A: Please tell me about the science behind breaking of moon, flying donkey of Muhammad, stones talking with Moses, Jesus born without father, she camel born from stone, separation of sea water to give path to Muhammad, etc.
M: Science cannot explain these because they are miracles and only Allah can perform them. Allah is above science. And since Quran is word of God, it can overrule science.
A: You have taken U turn now! You claimed science to be the basis of truthfulness and divinity of Quran previously and when Quran was proven unscientific, you claim that Allah is above science! Could you understand the fallacy in your logic? What you had to prove here (divinity of Quran) was already in your assumption (that Allah sent Quran)! Thus Quran is not the word of God logically.
M: Allah Himself reveals in Quran that Muhammad (PBUH) is His final messenger. This is the biggest proof.
A: When it is proven that Quran is not the word of God, how can it be from Allah?
M: We have full faith in Muhammad (PBUH) and thus we trust his words.
A: Why you don’t have trust in me? When you can blindly believe anyone, why not in me?
M: Don’t have the answer.
A: OK. Please tell me, what do you mean by worship?
M: Remembering God and thanking him for His support and love.
A: Don’t you think then that inclusion of Muhammad in prayers is a kind of human worship?
M: No because we don’t consider Muhammad to be God, but the final messenger of God. And look, Muhammad was so kind that he preferred to call himself as slave of Allah, this alone proves that he did not want himself to be worshipped.
A: Associating self with someone bigger brings fame and if you show some humbleness, it catalyzes the effect. This is what Muhammad did. This is what Mumtaz Qadri (killer of Punjab governor in Pakistan) did! He is now famous as Aashiq e Rasool (lover of Muhammad or slave of Muhammad) and now crores of slaves are holding this slave of Muhammad on their shoulders in Pakistan shouting the slogans- “Aashiq e Rasool pe jaan bhi kurbaan hai”, meaning we can die for the slave of Muhammad (Qadri). So calling yourself slave brings you fame many times! And Muhammad was well aware of it.
M: Remembrance of Muhammad in prayers does not mean worship, how many times I have to tell you this?
A: So will it be fine if I add my parents’ names after Allah and Muhammad in Kalma? As I can remember a slave of Allah, the messenger, I can also remember my parents who acted as cause for my existence and thus of course recitation of the very Kalma! And why not include the name of first prophet also?
M: No you can’t, it is not mentioned in Islam.
A: So why are you arguing? You should accept that “Tauheed” or “Oneness of God” is considered good by you not because it is logical but because your book/self proclaimed prophet says so. Same applies with the Kaba idol you worship! You oppose idol worship not because you know the short comings of it, but because your book opposes it! And since Islam allows you to worship idol and humans in some different forms and names (bowing to Kaba as direction of prayers and worshipping Muhammad by reciting “Muhammad is last messenger”) you are as idol/human worshippers as any polytheist whom you consider worst of creatures as per Quran 98:6.
A: Can I ask, is Allah complete and self sufficient?
M: Yes.
A: I already believe in One God, am I a Muslim?
M: No because you don’t believe in Muhammad.
A: Is believing in Muhammad as important as believing in Allah that the punishment for disbelief in both is same, the eternal hell?
M: Yes.
A: How can then Allah be self sufficient to provide me bliss, and how is he above all? Is it not Shirk to give anyone equal importance in belief as in Allah?
M: You have to obey what He has said in Quran.
A: I don’t have faith in Muhammad and thus Quran, what can I do?
M: Get your faith in him otherwise hell.
A: Should I believe blindly in him?
M:
Case (i) M leaves the blind belief and restarts the journey to find the truth (if M is logical and humanitarian)
Case (ii) No answer (if M is not much versed with Hadith and verses of Jihad)
Case (iii) abuses and threats of hell to “A”as a response to the act of this blasphemy (if M is a Jihadi follower of the terrorists like Zakir Naik).
So we conclude that illogical faiths start at blind belief and terminate at silence or violence. Remembering Muhammad in prayers, believing in all those verses which Sharik (involve) Muhammad with Laasharik (with whom no one should be involved) Allah are nothing but the acts of worshipping Muhammad and thus Shirk.
Now we present few examples of Tauheed (Oneness of God) from Vedas and ask all the Muslim and non Muslim friends to judge themselves which kind of “Oneness” they want.
You can find the full article :
http://satyagni.com/4270/islam-tauheed/

Re: Humsafar bhai & Reformist bhaiyon nu imtihaan

Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 8:34 am
by Adam
Truebohra.
I admire your persistence and answers.

Note to yourself:
Humsafar is quite incompetent and he doesn't seem to respect any religion at all. (He even ridicules the concept of Imamat, so he's not a Shia and definitely isn't a DB.)
Gulam Mohammed is a pure DB hater. He'll continue to post msgs of hate
Anajmi: Well. He's a charachter. Even Porus doesn't like him! (i'm sure a lot on this Forum don't). He's an arrogant egotistic person who goes out of his way to post even when he's not spoken to or doesn't concern him.
He's like an annoying fly, you shoo him away and he'll come back every time :). Progiticide believs he had childhood disorders :)
Peace.

We never knew what this thread intended to speak about anyway.
Diversion diversion, you guys can't stay on the "right track" :)

We follow the Dai, and not worship. Worship to Allah only.
Photos, if we had a picture or painting of any Prophet, we would hang it up in respect.



Re: Humsafar bhai & Reformist bhaiyon nu imtihaan

Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 9:32 am
by Humsafar
Adam wrote:
Humsafar is quite incompetent and he doesn't seem to respect any religion at all. (He even ridicules the concept of Imamat, so he's not a Shia and definitely isn't a DB.)
For once I agree with you. I'm quite incompetent to worship humans. I try hard to do so, I try to put up pictures of Maula all over my house but by some great mojiza they fall down and crash. Looks like the walls in my house are also quite incompetent. Then I try to worship the dai in my heart but even my heart breaks. Looks like even my heart is quite incompetent. Then I try with my mind, but even my mind... you get the drift. But when all else fails, I try to seek a reason in Islam and DB beliefs but even there I find nothing. Looks like even Islam and our DB beliefs are quite incompetent. Please tell me what to do. Can I join your sabak? Can you give me online sabak through PMs? Please please, pretty please.