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SBM wrote:Any proof that Imam U Zaman was appointed by the successor of Imam Ali


Yes.

Risala "Al Naie" is issued when a new Dai takes responsibility of Dai Mutlaq office. In this Risala COMPLETE details are given about 'Nuss a Jali' made by former Dai Mutlaq on present (new) Dai Mutlaq apppointing him his successor, with full details of all eye witnesses of Nuss-a-Jali, date & place where Nuss-a-Jai was made, the full text of ibarat, etc. Such Risala issed at the time of Najmuddin sahab (47th) is called "Al Naie Al Batash't Al Kubra" - in this all above points are missing hence this is the documentary evidence that from Najmuddin sahab (47th onwards) all occupancies are unathorized (i.e. without nuss-a-Jali from 46th rightful Dai Molana wa Syyedna Mohammed Badruddin a.q.).

SBM wrote:

SBM wrote:Any proof that Imam U Zaman was appointed by the successor of Imam Ali


Yes.

And the proof is?,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[Entire aalam-a-Islam agrees on Hadees of Prophet Mohammed s.a.w.w. about his prophecy on coming of Imam Quaim (Mehdi) from the progeny of Molatina Fatima a.s. and Ameer al Momineen Mola Ali a.s.

Progeny = son succeeding father, who will succeed from his father... till Imam Tayyeb a.s. till Mola Ali a.s.

One can only give what one owns - an authorized Imam only can appoint the next rightful (authorized) Imam. Father of Imam Quaim who will appoint Imam Quaim (Mehdi) as the Imam have to be Imam by default, his father's father in same way have to be Imam..... till chain reaches the first Imam Molana Imam Hasan a.s.

Hence to make the Hadees of Prophet Mohammed s.a.w.w. true - the Imam is present authorized by his predecessor, chain running till Mola Ali a.s. & Prophet Mohammed s.a.w.w.

SBM wrote:BJ
There is lot of Gibrish in your post. What is your definition of Entire Aalam-e-Islam, Shia only makes 5% of entire Aalam-e-Islam and pristine Bohra as per your defination is less than 0.1% of entire Aalam-e-Islam.
Once again you did not provide proof of true Imam How does one know if the hidden Imam was appointed by Moula Ali. Where is Imam Quaim and what prevents any one to declare himself as Imam Quaim. Once again how would your recognize the true Imam U Zaman?

Identifying true Imam is very easy.

Here are some of his achievements in the last 1000 years.

1 - Stayed hidden successfully from 1000 to 1100 AD.
2 - No one was able to find him from 1100 to 1200 AD.
3 - Remained unseen from 1200 to 1300 AD.
4 - No one was able to catch up with him during 1300 to 1400 AD.
5 - Successfully conceals his location from 1400 to 1500 AD.
6 - Conceals his identity successfully from 1500 to 1600 AD.
7 - No one was able to find him from 1600 to 1700 AD.
8 - Successfully conceals his location from 1700 to 1800 AD.
9 - Remained unseen from 1800 to 1900 AD.
10 - Cannot be located since 1900 AD.

humanbeing wrote:One must think twice before uttering laanat on others. We ourselves are not sinfree. Its very easy to spit laanats from air conditioned halls within own majority and gloat in promoting hatred. I have seen junglee abdes yelling at top of their voice spewing laanats to show their depth of faith, what a pity.

I was attending Friday namaaz in one of the pune masjid, it was for the first time I heard ‘ laanat on ali asgar engineer “ in middle of “ghanu jeevo - Jahannum ma hazaro saal jalse….”

This was the first time I heard about Ali Asgar Engineer and to my surprise I wondered why would peace loving, human loving shafeek bawa sayenda allow or sanction such an utterance in a masjid over its own kind. When I enquired with a beardy abde sitting next to me, who took pride in joining the chorus of laanat, he had no idea who was Ali Asgar engineer, all he knew was, ‘some daawat no dushman” ! what a shame !

Although I was semi-abde and my enquiry on internet was with presumption to find out what about this daawat no dushman and his deeds. To my surprise I found, views of ali asgar engineer are more believable then lies and deceptive web spread out by shrewd kothar. One link lead to another and that’s how I landed at PDB website.

Uttering laanat is a fruitless exercise, instead its self harming, keeping hatred in the heart is never beneficial. Moreover it can be an easy way out for cowards to vent their wordly frustrations in their own wonderland.

Zali110 wrote:

humanbeing wrote:One must think twice before uttering laanat on others. We ourselves are not sinfree. Its very easy to spit laanats from air conditioned halls within own majority and gloat in promoting hatred. I have seen junglee abdes yelling at top of their voice spewing laanats to show their depth of faith, what a pity.

I was attending Friday namaaz in one of the pune masjid, it was for the first time I heard ‘ laanat on ali asgar engineer “ in middle of “ghanu jeevo - Jahannum ma hazaro saal jalse….”

This was the first time I heard about Ali Asgar Engineer and to my surprise I wondered why would peace loving, human loving shafeek bawa sayenda allow or sanction such an utterance in a masjid over its own kind. When I enquired with a beardy abde sitting next to me, who took pride in joining the chorus of laanat, he had no idea who was Ali Asgar engineer, all he knew was, ‘some daawat no dushman” ! what a shame !

Although I was semi-abde and my enquiry on internet was with presumption to find out what about this daawat no dushman and his deeds. To my surprise I found, views of ali asgar engineer are more believable then lies and deceptive web spread out by shrewd kothar. One link lead to another and that’s how I landed at PDB website.

Uttering laanat is a fruitless exercise, instead its self harming, keeping hatred in the heart is never beneficial. Moreover it can be an easy way out for cowards to vent their wordly frustrations in their own wonderland.

seems to me that humanbeing is aliasger engineer , how did it feel aliasger engineer to hear lanaat on your self