Logical Reasons for not beleiving Shezada Mufaddal Saifuddin

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Fakhruddinsuratwala
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Re: Logical Reasons for not beleiving Shezada Mufaddal Saifu

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Unread post by Fakhruddinsuratwala » Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:03 am

Bhai Ghulam Mohammed,
I agree but this is something very difficult for We Dawoodi Bohras to digest.
A average bohra who has difficult in managing his daily livelyhood and he is said that if you cut your beard your Rozi will be destroyed as well...and he beleive it...Do you think such a human being will believe that there is no Imam- dai connection with the Current Dai's.
A average Bohra who is paying USD 5000/- for just holding the Hand (Tallaki or Talaggi or whatever) will beleive that there is no Imam Dai Connection.
A average Bohra who beleive that if he reduces his vajebaat his income will also drop...do u think he will beleive that there is no Imam Dai Connection.
A average Bohra when asked after salaat - he say yes I pray Moula ni Namaaz..do u think they will forget the Imam Dai Connection.
A average Bohra who say "Alhamdolillah - Moula nu Karam che" instead of "Allah ni rehmat che". Do u think that Bohra will beleive that there is no Imam Dia Connection.
A average Bohra who has been in a suffering all his life because of the miseries of life and he longs that atleast after death he will be given guaranteed heaven- do u think he will believe that there is no Imam Dai connection.

Problem we have is much more grave than what we envisage and there is some real introspection needed and we hope SKQ despite having no clear identity could provide just 10 years of such transparancy and dedicate to get the community on the guided right path.


ghulam muhammed wrote:There should be another thread titled "Logical Reasons For Not Believing in Hidden Imam being in Regular Touch With Dai" because the manner in which the entire Nass drama was played has raised serious doubts in the minds of average Bohras ! The 51st Dai confers Nass upon 52nd some 25 years prior to his death and now both the warring groups claim that Nass was conferred on them 30, 40 or 49 years back. Now how on earth can an Imam who is suppose to be from the progeny of Mola Ali (a.s.) make such factual errors and leave his followers in a lurch ? Why would he appoint his next vicegerent way before the current one dies ? Although more importantly , can an Imam of such impeccable qualities ever be in touch with the ones who are 24x7 violating almost all the tenets of Islam and have turned Islam into a money making business ? Can he be in touch with the ones who have made slaves of their followers who have to obey their every command without questioning ?

Needless to say that abdes will now start comparing this drama with Prophet (s.a.w.) and Mola Ali (a.s) in order to defend their masters although there are 2 sides of that story which are far more logical if viewed with an unbiased mind compared to the Nass which in all probability seems to be a case of grabbing power as it comes with billions of dollars stashed in the dungeons of Saifee Mahal.

Fakhruddinsuratwala
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Re: Logical Reasons for not beleiving Shezada Mufaddal Saifu

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Unread post by Fakhruddinsuratwala » Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:33 am

What is the website registration to do with the questions raised by me..
James - stop this kiddishness and rhetoric...only comment if you have something new to say.
james wrote:Fakhruddinsuratwala


Why was the website fatemidawat.com registered on 18th November 2013/15th Muharram 1435H ?

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Re: Logical Reasons for not beleiving Shezada Mufaddal Saifu

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Unread post by humanbeing » Tue Mar 04, 2014 10:16 am

maxthemature wrote: Let me tell u all in our zyafat in surat burhanuddin aqa mentioned bhai muffadal ni bhi zyafat aapjo! 53rd ma dai che ehna kadam ma barakat che and we all got close to mola and his wordings were crystal clear mola repeated thrice!dr moiz bsb was stopped by mola and mola himself said and we had to come quite close to hear it!
WOW !! is there is a video of the ziyafat, where SMB declared “NASS” on SMS !

Ziyafat is an important expensive event. Surely you must have taken the video, after all every word is a noorani kalema .. you possibly should have missed these GEMS !

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Re: Logical Reasons for not beleiving Shezada Mufaddal Saifu

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Unread post by salaar » Wed Mar 05, 2014 4:00 pm

in my opinion time is the best judge, SMS or KQ , if you look out for justifications and point of views there would be many both sides can provide proofs and evidences of these kind, i suggest let the dust settle and you will know who will prevail, one thing is for sure money and power is the core issue in this battle but nass issues have arose about three times before and ultimately the smaller group perishes or loses its standing.

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Re: Logical Reasons for not beleiving Shezada Mufaddal Saifu

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Unread post by adna_mumin » Wed Mar 05, 2014 4:40 pm

salaar wrote:in my opinion time is the best judge, SMS or KQ ,
Time has yet to "pronounce" on the first split at the wafaat of Nabi Mohammad Mustafa SAW. While this seems to be the best one can do in the event that doubts linger on, we must continue and strive to get to know.

In a way Time is the judge when eventually our 'time' does come we will be made aware! But do we want to wait that long?
if you look out for justifications and point of views there would be many both sides can provide proofs and evidences of these kind, i suggest let the dust settle and you will know who will prevail,
After the dust settles and who "prevails"? In the world that is imperfect what credibility is of whoever prevails you think?
one thing is for sure money and power is the core issue in this battle
That is a matter of individual belief. Surely for whoever is the rightful that must NOT be the core issue.
but nass issues have arose about three times before and ultimately the smaller group perishes or loses its standing.
Nope, Shias have managed to stay on after Rasulullah SA wafaat, so have the Ismailis against Ithna Asheris (the larger group). Core belief must be that Dawat ul haq will stay till qayamat.

Just my musings. Pls feel free to comment as you feel right. Allah ta knows best!