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Video Analysis of Burhanuddin Bayans
Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2015 11:26 am
by araz5253
I read some posts from abdes who say they find bayans of their master to be very intellectual. I find them banal and far from being intellectual is all about misusing the names of ahlebayt to continue to hold on power and gaddi. The poor abdes doze of in bayan or are present because of love of ahlebayt. So let us dedicate this thread to upload the various bayans of MB and let the viewers judge and comment on its "intellectuality factor"
It is very difficult to get those bayans online , hence it would be a good effort to archive them here. Hence please share them here.
Re: Video Analysis of Burhanuddin Bayans
Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2015 2:03 pm
by Ozdundee
Let it go..SMB is no longer the issue let us be measured in analysing and digging up the past ...keep the spotlight on current
The emotional connection is very strong and can backfire if interfered with.
Sms keeps regurgitating SMB sermons because he knows well that is the glue that holds his abde closer to him. He is a drift and worthless without SMB concept . SKQ knows it too . Both will try to exploit SMB and remain in his shadows.
It is the new generation who will change as they forget or not remember SMB influence , and when the that time comes along sms will gradually drop ...and one will see them trying to identify some unique events to sms .
Re: Video Analysis of Burhanuddin Bayans
Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2015 3:23 pm
by New
I very much agree here with brother Ozundee. This will backfire. This is an emotional and faith issue. Nothing will work as you try to confuse people with facts and logic. Tell a worshipper in a temple that this is a stone. Sub se bada yukeen. Sooner or later SMS will show his true colors and one by one abdes and amtes will see the day light. If not then there is nothing we can do except waiting. Look at the versions of the Nuss video.
Re: Video Analysis of Burhanuddin Bayans
Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2015 3:30 pm
by topiwala
Dare these reformists publish videos of our beloved Maula , this site will be shutdown the next day. So now you people are trying to defame the person who is in heaven?? Shame!
Re: Video Analysis of Burhanuddin Bayans
Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2015 3:40 pm
by SBM
Re: Video Analysis of Burhanuddin Bayans
Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2015 3:41 pm
by New
Mr. Paghriwala, just tell us where is our Imam? He is on the earth so easy to spot than someone far far away in another world we call it Heaven. Gayab na jankar chho tame.
Re: Video Analysis of Burhanuddin Bayans
Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2015 4:12 pm
by SBM
topiwala wrote:Dare these reformists publish videos of our beloved Maula , this site will be shutdown the next day. So now you people are trying to defame the person who is in heaven?? Shame!
Topiwala bhai
when SMS himself is defaming his uncle and Mazoon during his father's time then what is wrong with Reformist doing the same. They learned from your current Master
Re: Video Analysis of Burhanuddin Bayans
Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2015 4:29 pm
by ghulam muhammed
topiwala wrote:Dare these reformists publish videos of our beloved Maula , this site will be shutdown the next day. So now you people are trying to defame the person who is in heaven?? Shame!
Are the videos so horrible or controversial that you advocate a ban on them ?? In fact you should insist that every video is played that is if you are sure that those emanate pearls of wisdom which could benefit many viewers on this forum or if you feel otherwise then your demands are justified !! As regards shutting down this site then I don't think that you are more powerful then your masters in Saifee Mahal who have tried to do the same since many years but alas they haven't succeeded so how would you succeed where the most powerful have failed ?
Re: Video Analysis of Burhanuddin Bayans
Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2015 5:22 pm
by New
Mr Paghriwala, this is called freedom of speech, the 1st amendment protected by the US constitution. How would you know this?
Re: Video Analysis of Burhanuddin Bayans
Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2015 9:56 pm
by araz5253
It is surprising how well abdes have hidden the bayans of Burhanuddin even on youtube. Whereas his bayans are commonly availaible in abde circles\mosques.
May be they fear the "Wahhabis" would do "operation" on the bayans and bring in negative publicity as how it happened with his photos which were later banned to be circulated publicly.
Re: Video Analysis of Burhanuddin Bayans
Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 3:43 am
by topiwala
Don't worry your dream of "video analysis"\criticisms will never come true as this site will face copyright suit if at all it publishes the videos with their criticism. I am glad that the videos are not shared on youtube publicly.
Re: Video Analysis of Burhanuddin Bayans
Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 4:03 am
by noor5253
topiwala wrote:Don't worry your dream of "video analysis"\criticisms will never come true as this site will face copyright suit if at all it publishes the videos with their criticism. I am glad that the videos are not shared on youtube publicly.
I think even publishing photos on this forum taken from Zen website are violating copyright laws.
i am sure action is underway.
Re: Video Analysis of Burhanuddin Bayans
Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 4:09 am
by Ozdundee
potiwala stop bluffing ..I am up for your dare
there is no copyright threat ...if the video is in vimeo and paste the link here . good luck chasing them for copyright
i
read the law below smb Bayan do not qualify for copyright as he is reproducing religion propagation
Copyright
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Copyright is a legal right created by the law of a country, that grants the creator of an original work exclusive rights to its use and distribution, usually for a limited time, with the intention of enabling the creator (e.g. the photographer of a photograph or the author of a book) to receive compensation for their intellectual effort.
Copyright is a form of intellectual property, applicable to any expressed representation of a creative work. It is often shared among multiple authors, each of whom holds a set of rights to use or license the work, and who are commonly referred to as rightsholders.[1] These rights frequently include reproduction, control over derivative works, distribution, public performance, and "moral rights" such as attribution.[2]
Re: Video Analysis of Burhanuddin Bayans
Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 4:11 am
by noor5253
New wrote:Mr Paghriwala, this is called freedom of speech, the 1st amendment protected by the US constitution. How would you know this?
Hey US laws are not the laws of the world.
In India, Section 295A of the Indian Penal Code punishes hate speech insults or attempts to insult the religion or the religious beliefs of any class of citizen with deliberate and malicious intention to outrage their religious feelings. These laws are applied to all religions including Hinduism, Sikhism, Christianity and Islam. So, in effect, this website is hurting the sentiments of 1 million Dawoodi Bohras and promoting hate speech against its religious leaders.
Re: Video Analysis of Burhanuddin Bayans
Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 4:42 am
by topiwala
Ozdundee wrote:potiwala stop bluffing ..I am up for your dare
there is no copyright threat ...if the video is in vimeo and paste the link here . good luck chasing them for copyright
i
read the law below smb Bayan do not qualify for copyright as he is reproducing religion propagation
Copyright
Watch this page
Copyright is a legal right created by the law of a country, that grants the creator of an original work exclusive rights to its use and distribution, usually for a limited time, with the intention of enabling the creator (e.g. the photographer of a photograph or the author of a book) to receive compensation for their intellectual effort.
Copyright is a form of intellectual property, applicable to any expressed representation of a creative work. It is often shared among multiple authors, each of whom holds a set of rights to use or license the work, and who are commonly referred to as rightsholders.[1] These rights frequently include reproduction, control over derivative works, distribution, public performance, and "moral rights" such as attribution.[2]
nowhere it says religious propogation is excluded.
Re: Video Analysis of Burhanuddin Bayans
Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 8:32 am
by noor5253
Re: Video Analysis of Burhanuddin Bayans
Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 8:41 am
by noor5253
Hate speech laws in Canada include provisions in the Criminal Code of Canada, provisions in the Human Rights Act and in other federal legislation, and statutory provisions in each of Canada's ten provinces and three territories. The Criminal Code prohibits "hate propaganda." The Canadian Human Rights Act prohibits discrimination on various grounds, and forbids the posting of hateful or contemptuous messages on the Internet.
I think some of the stuff posted here can constitute as Hate speech against Dawoodi Bohras..
Re: Video Analysis of Burhanuddin Bayans
Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 9:02 am
by Crater Lake
And what you post Noor420, is hate speech against mumineen who are on haq - the followers of Syedna Qutbuddin TUS. Please let the pot not call the kettle black.
Re: Video Analysis of Burhanuddin Bayans
Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 9:05 am
by Crater Lake
Progressives, please find something better to do with your time than trying to find fault with Burhanuddin Moula's bayans.
Re: Video Analysis of Burhanuddin Bayans
Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 11:46 am
by SBM
noor5253 wrote:New wrote:Mr Paghriwala, this is called freedom of speech, the 1st amendment protected by the US constitution. How would you know this?
Hey US laws are not the laws of the world.
In India, Section 295A of the Indian Penal Code punishes hate speech insults or attempts to insult the religion or the religious beliefs of any class of citizen with deliberate and malicious intention to outrage their religious feelings. These laws are applied to all religions including Hinduism, Sikhism, Christianity and Islam. So, in effect, this website is hurting the sentiments of 1 million Dawoodi Bohras and promoting hate speech against its religious leaders.
How about educating Kothari Goons when they created a riot in Bhendi Bazar as well as giving Laanat to SKQ and his followers thus hurting their sentiments
Re: Video Analysis of Burhanuddin Bayans
Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 12:04 pm
by New
Obviously this site serves some purpose, otherwise you would not be here, Mr. Noor. What about hate Hate speech by Muffy in Udepur, I would like to add this to the list. By the way the Indian constitution has its roots in the US.
Re: Video Analysis of Burhanuddin Bayans
Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 12:11 pm
by fiate2000
Where is the video/link to the video? Please share
Re: Video Analysis of Burhanuddin Bayans
Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 3:27 pm
by Ozdundee
noor5253 wrote:Hate speech laws in Canada include provisions in the Criminal Code of Canada, provisions in the Human Rights Act and in other federal legislation, and statutory provisions in each of Canada's ten provinces and three territories. The Criminal Code prohibits "hate propaganda." The Canadian Human Rights Act prohibits discrimination on various grounds, and forbids the posting of hateful or contemptuous messages on the Internet.
I think some of the stuff posted here can constitute as Hate speech against Dawoodi Bohras..
this site iscategorized as political and activism , contents are internal objection , created by bohras themselves, you may distinguish abdes or reformists those are informal characteristics, this is called self hate how will you prove bohras hate themselves and that is why reformists are revolting or opposing.
reformist know this is scare tactic ..been there done that.
even the Canadian senate knowsand have records that reformists exist and this is an internal agitation
if kothar wants to play copyright then we can drag them through the mud
by imposing a copyright banner during relays does not mean copyright applies ...the content must be reviewed.
Re: Video Analysis of Burhanuddin Bayans
Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 11:06 pm
by araz5253
Correct , I am really surprised but I only found small clip on YouTube where he just talks about " dua for mumineen" etc, the clip is poor quality though.
Even the dawedar side YouTube video was removed over copyright infringement allegations by the other dawedar
Re: Video Analysis of Burhanuddin Bayans
Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2015 7:01 am
by topiwala
There is only one dawedar Darth wader khuzema. Millions of bohras call him dawedar
Re: Video Analysis of Burhanuddin Bayans
Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2015 12:51 pm
by qjbj
Paghriwala, And they call the other AC buggy ridding dawedar Lord Muffadal Voldemort
Re: Video Analysis of Burhanuddin Bayans
Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2015 4:48 pm
by Ozdundee
topiwala wrote:There is only one dawedar Darth wader khuzema. Millions of bohras call him dawedar
recount...million at most even that is in doubt ....
40% abdes fanatics ...50% fence seater 10 % actively outside , reformists or Qutbi . Don't be worried civilisation only needs 10% smart people to progress ...rich, educated , inventors, leaders are minority.
I consider kothar smart and intelligent to have so many sheep
400,000 are those that are portrayed and televised as Mola Mola ....communication propaganda
Re: Video Analysis of Burhanuddin Bayans
Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2015 1:33 am
by topiwala
No no one believes in dawedar his game was over long back, see the shanat if haqq ni dawat that even a mazoon can become dawedar if he is caught by dai.
He lost everything overnight.
Re: Video Analysis of Burhanuddin Bayans
Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2015 9:24 am
by qjbj
Paghriwala, Last I checked SKQ TUS is going strong. I half of Kolkata are with him and many will join when they see the light. The hare did not win the race.....it was the tortoise. Slow and steady.
Re: Video Analysis of Burhanuddin Bayans
Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2015 5:26 am
by noor5253
qjbj wrote:Paghriwala, Last I checked SKQ TUS is going strong. I half of Kolkata are with him and many will join when they see the light. The hare did not win the race.....it was the tortoise. Slow and steady.
Keep bullshitting.. 10 pple dont constitute half of Kolkata.
And this is not a race.
But.. KQ is sure trying hard to push his falsehood...that is what he was born to do.. That was his destiny..
We hope that the ten pple who got 'caught' redhanded in Kolkata realize their folly and come back to Dawat as there is nothing in Thane..
