Dawoodi Bohra Forum

WAHABBIS WAHABBIS WAHABBIS WAHABBIS without a shadow of doubt this are the people due to whom islam and muslims are hated,with their no compromise and hated form of islam,all the bombers of 9/11 were saudi wahabbis and look what happened innocent afghanis and iraqis have died by thousands due to them,even today they are still promoting their stupid ideology all over

The people of Iraq and Afghanistan are dying not because of the Wahabbies, they are dying because of the USA wrong war. 911 or no, USA would have warred with Iraq.

Infact Pro Pig you yourself they are innocent, than why would any inncent person should have ben targeted.

then who were the people who died on 9/11 killed by wahabbis were they they not innocent americans,wher does it say in islam that they deserved to die

and its is because of that attack that the public opinion of americans turned and war was declared on the two muslim countries,all this was done by wahabbis

nobody on board is saying that the type of islam they are practising might be wrong but why do they want everybody else also to follow them under any circumstances,with them its like what bush said you are with us or against us,they are so full of themselves that now they have started abusing spiritual leaders of other islamic communities like ismailis,this is their doctorine that if you are not a wahabbi you are not a muslim, and they spread hatred towards you.
this is the reason muslims are not united and are hated all over

911 has to do with Al-Qaida against the American Policys.

"were they not innocent americans"
May be, but "Americans" were the target, innocent or not. Just the way many "innocent" Afghanistanis were killed by USA attacks.

"where does it say in Islam that they deserved to die"..........since Islam is not the attackers, justifications for these killings be decided by the concerned partys. I do not think Islam says they deserved to die. Niether does Christianity who are in the majority in USA.

"why do they want everybody else also to follow them under any circumstances"
Every one will want others to follow ....it is for you not to or to. Just the same for Bush. India did not, Pakistan did.

Wahabbis are the the wrong reason for not uniting.The other Muslims must find strength to do so.

So Pro Frog, it is all for one self to do good, no one is answerable for anys bad. KARMA my friend...and each one for self.And good shall always prevail.

"they want everybody else also to follow them under any circumstances,with them its like what bush said you are with us or against us"

Is this not the same attitude of the Abde Syednas telling the reformist Progressives to FOLLOW and if not get out. And "innocent" people like me, are forced out of the masjids? This is wrong. "where does it say in Islam that they deserve" to be taken out the masjids, the house of AllaH.

So Pro Frog, please practice what you preach. And beware of AllaH's judgement.

This war is not helping any one is just killing on both side innocent people are been killed family is getting apart frm their loveone.this war should be stopped as soon as possible is good for both side and u will c result.

Agreed.
But who shall bell the cat/s.
It is a political matter and should and will be solved such.
Not a religious one so all that I individually will do is voice a protest.

The compassionate and Merciful faith of Islam has been "hijacked" (no pun intended) by a few thugs, who has captivated the audience in the west. Why you ask? Well lets see.... It serves the west's purpose to portray Muslims in a bad light. They would rather magnify a thug mob of Wahabbis murdering in the name of Islam, then a successful Muslim girl's school. NOW TELL ME WHO IS THE REAL ENEMY OF ISLAM??
As Malcolm X said in his lifetime, why would the Caucasians show a positive clean side of Black Muslims, when they can portray a decadent, drug and crime infested black culture......The problem is the Wahabbi thugs running their Madrasas in Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Pakistan and UK. Imagine if the taught peace and harmony to their Taliban? The world would be a better place today.

Here is another reason....

London, Oct.12 (ANI): Caribbean singer Harry Belafonte's popular "Banana Boat" song was twisted by terror camp leader Atilla Ahmet to preach jihad to kids at the Jameah Islamic school, near Crowborough in Sussex.

Ahmet, according to the Daily Mail, called it his "Jihad Calypso", and convinced children at the school to sing it along with him at a performance. That performance was later recorded, a court here was told.

The lyrics of the 84-worded song went as follows:

"Come Mr. Taliban, come give me kuffir...my Kalasnikov. Come Mr. Taliban, come bomb England... before the daylight come, you wanna see Ten Downing Street.

Come Mr. Taliban, come implement Shariah. Come Mr. Taliban, come bomb England before the daylight come, Insh'Allah, it will be done.

Hey Mr. Taliban, come kill the dirty kuffir, get rid of the haram, because we want halal.

Hey Mr. Taliban, boom, boom, boom, come bomb England before the daylight come. Insh'Allah, it will be done.

Ahmet, a former preacher at Finsbury Park Mosque, has pleaded guilty to three counts of soliciting murder in connection with a case now being heard at Woolwich Crown Court.

Originally posted by profrog:
WAHABBIS WAHABBIS WAHABBIS WAHABBIS without a shadow of doubt this are the people due to whom islam and muslims are hated

Not a very smart way of diverting attention from the usurper 52nd due to whom dawat is hated. You think people won't see through your stupid agenda?

tahir, in my opinion the syedna and his gang are far more cleverer and bigger terrorists than the taleban or al qaeda.. only their terrorism is confined within the community. they have no time or inclination to take on the entire world, because they know very wisely, that it is better to milk the captive cows rather than run after "ISLAMIC" issues which dont concern them. as it is we are told that we are mumineen and "they" are sunni, stupid, haiwaan, kafir miyabhai's...!!

our syedna has leant and perfected his art of sweet talking the world and the west in particular, whilst simultaneously screwing the hapless community on the other...

when did we as a community or our syedna ever stand up against the injustices or atrocities committed against muslims or islam anywhere? the salman rushdie affair, or the danish cartoons or the riots in gujarat, our syedna has in fact distanced himself, so as to drive home the message that we are not muslims or at best a strange, tenously linked sect somehow unfortunately linked with islam..!

we have become masters at weaving a sinister fog of lies and deception when it comes to calling ourselves muslims...we look awkward, we fumble, we mumble, we cast furtive glances like a kid caught putting its fingers in the wedding cake...! but when convenient we make a big show of being staunch muslims, roza, namaaz, dadhi topi, ridha etc...

i have yet to see a bigger bunch of hypocrites on the face of the earth than our bohras led by their sardar syedna... all jackals and foxes. weather-cocks who change direction according to the prevalent wind..even their religion.! use every trick in the book to make more money, religion be damned! garland modi, dawood ibrahim, politicians of every hue and nationality, manipulate the media, feed them lavishly and smile like sly cats..

perhaps the taleban and al qaeda shud take lessons from badri mahal! as for ortho pigs and frogs talking about wahabis is like rapists showing outrage about paedophiles...

Any wonder Muslims are not the most-loved community? Read this on the front page in today's paper:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/commen ... 767252.ece

For those who like burrying their heads in the sand here is an extract:

Extracts from works found on sale in British mosques

“And if he apostatises after that, his head should be chopped off, according to the Hadith: ‘Whoever changes his religion, kill him’.”
(Fatawa Islamiyah – Islamic Verdicts, volume 5; reported found at the East London mosque and the London Central mosque)

“Whoever takes part in stoning a married adulterer is rewarded for that, and it is not fitting for anyone to abstain from it if a ruling of stoning is issued.”
(Fatawa Islamiyah – Islamic Verdicts, volume 6; reported found at the East London mosque)

“Some Kinds of Women Who Will Go to Hell
1. The Grumbler … the woman who complains against her husband every now and then is one of Hell.
2. The Woman Who Adorns Herself.
3. The Woman Who Apes Men, Tattoos, Cuts Hair Short and Alters Nature.
(Women Who Deserve to Go to Hell: East London mosque; Muslim Education Centre, High Wycombe)

I copied this interesting and latest research results from PEW Research Foundation, and am posting it here to remind us all that we need to find better and effective ways to dispel misunderstanding, fear, and ignorance prevalent among the masses.
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Opinions about Muslims and Islam
Public attitudes about Muslims and Islam have grown more negative in recent years. About four-in-ten Americans (43%) say they have a favorable opinion of Muslims, while 35% express a negative view. Opinion about Muslims, on balance, was somewhat more positive in 2004 (48% favorable vs. 32% unfavorable). As in previous surveys, Muslim Americans are seen more positively than Muslims (53% vs. 43%); however, unfavorable opinions of Muslim Americans have also edged upward, from 25% in 2005 to 29% currently.

There continue to be substantial age, education, political and religious differences in opinions about both Muslims and Muslim Americans. Young people and college graduates express more favorable views of Muslims than do older people and those with less education. Fully 66% of liberal Democrats have a positive impression of Muslims, the highest proportion in any major demographic or political group. That compares with roughly half of conservative and moderate Democrats (48%) and the same number of independents, 41% of moderate and liberal Republicans, and just 26% of conservative Republicans.

Among religious groups, white evangelical Protestants stand out for their negative views of Muslims. While roughly half of white mainline Protestants (51%) and white Catholics (48%) express favorable views of Muslims, only about quarter of white evangelicals (24%) say the same. Similar religious divisions are seen in views of Muslim Americans.



The biggest influence on the public's impressions of Muslims, particularly among those who express an unfavorable opinion of Muslims, is what people hear and read in the media. About a third of the public (32%) ˆ including nearly half of those who offer a negative opinion of Muslims (48%) ˆ say what they have seen or read in the media has had the biggest influence on their views. Other factors, such as personal experience and education, are less influential, though they are cited far more often by those who have favorable impressions of Muslims than those who express negative views.

Islam and Violence



Public opinion about whether Islam is more likely than other religions to encourage violence has fluctuated in recent years. In 2005, a plurality (47%) said that Islam does not encourage violence more than other religions; 36% said Islam is more likely than others to encourage violence among its believers. In the current survey, the balance of opinion has shifted: a 45% plurality says Islam is more likely to encourage violence, while 39% disagree. The current measure is similar to public views on this issue in 2003 and 2004.

The belief that Islam encourages violence has increased among groups that express mostly negative views of Muslims, such as conservative Republicans, but also among those groups that have relatively favorable opinions of Muslims, such as college graduates. The proportion of college graduates saying Islam is more likely than other religions to encourage violence has increased by 17 points (from 28% in 2005 to 45% today). College graduates are now about as likely as those with no college experience (44%) to express this point of view.

Similarly, there have been sharp increases in the percentages of white mainline Protestants and people with no religious affiliation who believe that the Islamic religion is more likely than others to encourage violence (by 19 points and 14 points, respectively).

Muslim Religion Viewed as Different



Fully 70% of non-Muslims say that the Muslim religion is very different from their own religion, compared with just 19% who say Islam and their own religion have a lot in common. Two years ago, 59% viewed Islam as very different from their own religion. And in November 2001, just 52% expressed this view.

Large majorities in every demographic and political group say that their religion is very different from the Muslim religion. However, there are sizable differences in opinions about this: 83% of white evangelical Protestants view Islam as very different, compared with 74% of black Protestants, 69% of white non-Hispanic Catholics and 66% of white mainline Protestants.

Islam in a Word



When asked for the single word that best describes their impression of Islam, far more Americans mention negative words than positive ones (30% vs. 15%); roughly a quarter (23%) characterize the religion with neutral words; about a third (32%) do not offer an opinion.

The single most common word used to describe the Muslim religion is "devout," or a variant of this word, such as "devotion" or "devoted"; 43 respondents use one of these words to describe their impression of Islam. Nearly as many (40 respondents in all) say that words like "fanatic" or "fanatical" come to mind when thinking about Islam. Other words commonly used to describe impressions of Islam include "different" (35 total responses), "peace" or "peaceful" (34 responses), "confused" or "confusing" (31 responses), "radical" (30 responses), "strict" (26 responses) and "terror" or "terrorism" (25 responses).

More Familiar, More Positive



Nearly half of all non-Muslims (45%) say they know someone who is Muslim, while 41% say that they know a great deal (7%) or some (34%) about the Muslim religion. The proportion of the public expressing at least some familiarity with the Muslim religion has increased modestly from 33% in 2005; in 2002, 34% said they knew a great deal or some about the Muslim religion.

Nearly two-thirds of college graduates (64%) say they know a Muslim, compared with 53% of those with some college experience and just 32% of those with a high school education or less. Similarly, far more college graduates than those with less education say they have at least some knowledge of the Muslim religion and its practices.



There also are substantial age differences in familiarity with Muslims and knowledge of their religion. Roughly half of those ages 18-29 say they know a Muslim, as do 50% of those ages 30-49 and 45% of those in their 50s and early 60s; however, just 29% of those ages 65 and older say they are acquainted with a Muslim. The gap is comparable across age groups in self-reported knowledge of the Muslim religion.

The survey shows that knowing a Muslim is associated with more positive views of the religion. Among those who know a Muslim, for instance, a majority (56%) has a favorable overall impression of Muslims, compared with just 32% of those who are not acquainted with a Muslim.

This pattern extends across several other measures of views of Muslims and Islam. Among those who know a Muslim, most (59%) say that a Muslim candidate's religion would make no difference in deciding how to vote in a presidential election. But among those who do not know a Muslim, a majority (52%) says they would be less likely to vote for a Muslim presidential candidate.
People who say they know a Muslim are divided over whether the Muslim religion encourages violence; 50% say it does not, while 42% say it does. By 48%-29%, those who do not know a Muslim say that Islam is more likely than other religions to encourage violence

Public opinion about whether Islam is more likely than other religions to encourage violence has fluctuated in recent years

I would love to see a poll which asks this question - "Is America more like to attack Iran and start another war or is Iran more like to attack America and start a war"?

Some other questions - "Would you consider sale of arms as encouraging violence?"

"Do you know who sells most arms and ammunitions in the world?"

"Does any Islamic country sell arms to any other Islamic country?"

"Does any Islamic country manufacture arms and ammunitions?"

"Where do all Islamic countries get their arms and ammunitions from?"

etc etc etc.

the bottom line here is that muslims in the recent times are being hated due to the actions of wahabbis
and some of there henchmen who are on this site

So What ??

Do you see what continuous propagation of lies by so called free thinkers does? Even half witted Abde Syednas are blaming the wahhabis for all evil. Is it any wonder that these haters give the green light for the destruction of countries and lives and livelihoods of millions for the sake of liberating those same millions!!

calling the abde syednas half witted is a compliment...!!! they are not even 10% witted...

i repeat what i said in an earlier post above:

""as for ortho pigs and frogs talking about wahabis is like rapists showing outrage about paedophiles..."" (not that i mean that wahabi's are paedophiles)

the world is full of ignorant fools like George W. Bush and bohras who dont know their backs from their fronts and talk about being the 'chosen'..

ProPig,
You have got it all wrong.
They inspite of all (as you said) the 911 being Saudis they do nothing to the Saudis. Infact they love them. And do not forget they were created by the west themselves.
They might love you too if you just towed alongwith them. They love the Saudi and the Israels, not the Iranians. ???

ProFrog,

Niether are you hated or loved because of the actions others. You are for your own.
I do not blame you for your in built "dai na doosman" attitude.
Start sleeping with the westerners, they shall really love you and give you a very good time.

Average,

According to moronic logic, attacking an innocent nation, destruction of lives and livelihoods of millions, creation of millions of refugees, was for the spread of peace and democracy. With that kind of logic, you should keep your hole shut.

Einstein,

That would depend on how loosely you want to use the term "innocent nation". The Kurds and Shiah would tend to disagree with you, but then again what do you care about those infidels.

Say, don't you Wahabis think Sudan is "innocent" too just like Afghanistan was ?

Moron,

As I said, with your kind of moronic logic you should keep your hole shut. Go back to counting my posts and keep yourself mildly entertained.