Dawoodi Bohra Forum

Fakhruddin Properties has made a big name for itself in the real estate market here in dubai, spending heavily on advertising and marketing its projects. The company is owned the ramakdawala family in dubai one of the oldest and most well off bohra families in dubai. though the family is quite well off its hard to imagine how they managed to raise so much capital for their projects. Some ppl say that the family is financially supported by the Kothar and i guess that wud make sense from the following developments
1) a few yrs back the dubai jamaat had announced to develop a bohra colony arnd the burhani masjid on land which was given free by the dubai govt....the jamaat even published brochures for the project.....but after a few months the project was completely forgotten for some reason....maybe it was viewed to compete with the fakhruddin properties projects.
2)recently when a shahzada saheb came to dubai he announced the setting up of a fund to invest in real estate market in dubai!!!.....guess where all the money will go!!!!.....

just trying to put a few facts together...but this example clearly shows how ppl who know the proper shahzadas and has the right contacts can use and misuse the jamaaat resources for their own good......

Fakhruddin Group will soon follow the example of Sana Group in dubai.

Sana Group was very close to the kothar and now they are out of bohra fold.

Makberi,

You are right.. These Shazadaas are like corrupt goverment officials. They think that they are in charge of the community money. This is same as govt officials in India who think that the hard money of Indian people belong to them and they have the right to use it the way they want. I have heard about some people who are doing business of sending Gullible bohras to Hajj, Karbala, miser and other places. They are using the brand name of these Shahzadaas to attract bohras. In fact they charge 10,000 to 15,000 Rs. more per person as compared to other people organizing such tours. The justification they give is that Shahzadaa saheb ni raza mubarak thi aa service chalu kari che. Mumin hamaara through jasse toh wadhaare sawaab milse. Using this cheap publicity stunt they are minting money. Also, the overall service provided to people once they reach the destination is as cheap and fake as the support of the Shazaada...

Fakhruddin group has an Attar factory in Jable Ali with Shahzada muffaddal bhaisaheb.

I am sure that this a front company financed by Shehzadas . I have heard that a few succussful companies in Middle East and Africa are financed by Mufadhalbhai saheb, Badru Jamali & co, normally its seen to be run by a sheikh but the real owners are the shehzadas.

It will be not seen in a good light if our Shehzadas are seen to be involved in busineses.( I dont think thats wrong as far as they use their personal resources)

Originally posted by East Africawalla:
I am sure that this a front company financed by Shehzadas . I have heard that a few succussful companies in Middle East and Africa are financed by Mufadhalbhai saheb, Badru Jamali & co, normally its seen to be run by a sheikh but the real owners are the shehzadas.

It will be not seen in a good light if our Shehzadas are seen to be involved in busineses.( I dont think thats wrong as far as they use their personal resources)

It is the community's money (Haram ni kamai)which they have accumulated over the years and invested in different projects across the world. Talking of personal resources... Are these piglets involved in any constructive work to raise an income???

It will be not seen in a good light if our Shehzadas are seen to be involved in busineses.(

Indeed.. The lazy Shehzadaas need to move their arses and do some work.. Everyone will see them in good light the day they leave this haraamkhori and earn some halal ki roti on their own..

I dont think thats wrong as far as they use their personal resources

They do not have any personal resources as they have never worked in their entire lifetime to create any resources... They are parasites who feed on the blood of our community.. Even animals hunt for food.. These useless people are worst then animals in that sense...

9:34 O You who have chosen to be graced with belief! A great many religious leaders, rabbis, priests, monks, mullahs, yogis, and mystics devour the wealth of mankind in falsehood, and debar them from the Path of Allah. All those who hoard up gold and silver and spend it not in the Cause of Allah, to them give tidings (O Prophet) of a painful doom.

shahu,

yr quotes are lost on 2 counts depending on whom you are addressing:

1 if you are addressing the TAHERIS, THE QURAN HAS NO RELEVANCE TO THEM. they have now declared themselves to be a new religion under their bhagwan taher saifuddin and his family.
2. the reformists have no need for it either, as they already know what is right from wrong in islam.

so the only conclusion is that u keep posting these ayaats and surahs only for your own self glorification and to display yr knowledge...

thanks, but no thanks!

Al Z,

so the only conclusion is that u keep posting these ayaats and surahs only for your own self glorification and to display yr knowledge...

That is extremely pompous on your part. It compels me to think that people like you deserve what you get from the kothar!!

people like me..?

i get nothing from the kothar, because i give them nothing and take nothing from them..!

those who get the abuse and harassment are those who deliberately go and put their heads inside the man-eating lion's mouth.

as for sounding arrogant, its regrettable if it appears that way, but u tell me, is it any use quoting the quran to non-muslims like the TAHERIS?

May be not, but then maybe some taheri will learn something. Maybe a progressive like you can learn too. Next time when the kothar throws the quran at you, you can quote this ayah, not to teach them the quran, but at least to let them know that you won't be fooled.

Originally posted by Al Zulfiqar:

the reformists have no need for it [The Quran]either, as they already know what is right from wrong in islam.

Which reformists are you talking about? Those that already know right from wrong. The reformed infallibles, eh?

Originally posted by Above Average Bohra:
May be not, but then maybe some taheri will learn something. Maybe a progressive like you can learn too. Next time when the kothar throws the quran at you, you can quote this ayah, not to teach them the quran, but at least to let them know that you won't be fooled.

Does one really need a quran to distinguish between right and wrong?? If yes, why then are we blessed with a mind? Cant we ourselves, find out what is right and wrong by trial and error? Are we so goddam lazy that we dont want to find out ourselves? By depending on a book to tell us how to lead our lives, arent we becoming more and more vulnerable?

Does one really need a quran to distinguish between right and wrong??

Yes we need quran to distinguish btw right and wrong . Everyone is blessed with a mind but everyone doesn't have the same intellect.

To someone what Kothar is doing perfect and to you it is wrong. Both of you have minds and both of you justify your reasonings as per your intellect but who decides who is right and who is wrong as both cannot be right.

Its the creator's( Allah(swt)) word (quran) and the life of his chosen messenger (prophet(pbuh)) which will decide the difference.

By depending on a book to tell us how to lead our lives, arent we becoming more and more vulnerable

Had quran been a book written by a human, you were correct we would have become vulnerable but it is the word of the creator who has created you and me and our minds. If you believe in Creator and believe in quran as His word than i fail to understand why you have issues in using it as a barometer for right and wrong.

Originally posted by porus:
Which reformists are you talking about? Those that already know right from wrong. The reformed infallibles, eh?

I guess that would be me .

Humsafar,

Your guess is incorrect. In any case, it is unacceptable.

The only person on this board who already knows right from wrong is AAB. As we all know, he does not need Quran, only Yusufali. I would not label him 'reformist' though. Hence the question.

I think Al Z is talking about himself.

Humsafar,

I wanted to add this.

Atleast, YusufAli doesn't think God has three horns, .... and a ..... according to some experts of the quran.

Here is another example. According to the tripplehorn interpretation of the quran, the commas and full stops in the quran play a much bigger role than the actual words of the quran themselves. For eg, if there is a full stop before the word "family", then wives need to be excluded from the family.

Had quran been a book written by a human, you were correct we would have become vulnerable but it is the word of the creator who has created you and me and our minds. If you believe in Creator and believe in quran as His word than i fail to understand why you have issues in using it as a barometer for right and wrong.

Bro humble

"Word of the creator" Funny... Creator first makes the world then after many years makes human beings like us.. then after many many years sends prophet and then sends a book through him.. saying its my word.. and for Bohras.. he sends imams and dais also.. to convey his message.. and ultimately what happens??? Your guess is as good as mine!

Yes we need quran to distinguish btw right and wrong . Everyone is blessed with a mind but everyone doesn't have the same intellect.

On the contrary.. It is these so called holy books which create problems and miseries in this world.

If all humans beings do not have the same intellect, then how can you hope that they'd understand the holy book in the right spirit and act accordingly?

Interpretion of quran again depends from one person to another.. how can we reach a common platform then??

Like minded
When you think Creator and creation as funny, there is no point in further discussion on Quran and its interpretation.

What brings you to this site when fundamentally you deny Allah9swt) and His Creation.

When you think Creator and creation as funny, there is no point in further discussion on Quran and its interpretation.

In my view.. the whole concept of creator and creation is surrounded by mystery.. let it be that way... why try to decode it?

Like minded
For you creator and creation is mysterious, but to me it is a clear evident truth.

Which theory to you support for your existence- Darwin, Big Bang etc..

Originally posted by humble_servant_us:
Which theory to you support for your existence- Darwin, Big Bang etc..

For me, as it is for many others, it is the Principle of Reason and Logical Deduction as dictated by reality and directed by circumstance using our naturally given faculties. Come to think of it, each is a prophet unto itself. The past always looks better than it was; it's only pleasant because it isn't here. We learn from the past, live in the present and dream of the future.

Danish
Your answer is the 2nd stage of debate.
Primary question is do you believe in Creator and His Creation.

Which theory to you support for your existence

Fortunately, I dont break my head over it.

For you creator and creation is mysterious, but to me it is a clear evident truth.

It is because, since childhood, you were made to believe in these theories.. which ultimately became a clear evident truth., and you are too lazy to challenge it because that would deprive you of your comfort zone.

My conclusion:

God is unknown, therefore immeasureable.. beyond human comprehension.