Dawoodi Bohra Forum

This was a poem posted by someone on the dawoodi-bohras message group.

It is nothing new that the bohra sheep worship the syedna and have elevated him to a demi-god status, but when i see such postings in black and white it makes me fear for the state of ignorance and blind-will in the community.

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Tehniyat of 92nd Milad Mubarak

Milad "ninety-second" is an auspicious occasion
"May Moula live long" chant the angels in Eden

Praise of my Moula is a drop in the ocean
Each day is an event each year an eon

Under supremacy of Moula, the fifty second vicegerent
Glory of Fatemi era is today resplendent

Tranquility exudes from holy existence
Soothing hearts that receive gaze of benevolence

Gushing knowledge from fathomless depths of Quran
Pearls of wisdom glide at each luminous sermon

To shield from threats posed by Science & Technology
Our Messiah grooms us on Islamic philosophy

Days and nights are packed with timeless activity
Moula, at ninety-two, surpasses youthful vitality

There is none on earth with transcendent personality
We are left captivated by the sanctified divinity

Be a commoner, an aristocrat or a prominent leader
Awed are all by my Moula's pristine character

O' Moula bless me to live each day as you wish to
And let me do deeds that I know will please you

Help me with your grace to do what is right
To be pious and sincere and be humble in your sight

Let my soul be enlightened with your devotion
And on my journey to hereafter lighten my burden

Bowing in supplication, I offer Milad felicitation
Let me be at your feet, it is where lies my heaven

I thank Allah for bestowing on us the honour
At the blessed hands of Moula to receive thy favour

To guide us, to grace us, to bless us, we pray
May my Moula, O' Allah, live till the last day

Amate Syedna (TUS)
Tahera Mulla Akberali - Dar es Salaam
taherama@hotmail.com

Another Stupid Poem reads like this;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;Milad Poem

Every home is beckoning with delight
Every heart is pumping on its height
It’s Moula’s (tus) 92nd Milad
Khushi maa jhoomi reas sagla Bilad

Smiles and laughter on every face
Gifts and presents at every place
It’s Moula’s (tus) 92nd Milad
Mumin, mumina jaha bhi chai Abad

A time in life that is unforgettable
A time in life that is memorable
It’s Moula’s (tus) 92nd Milad
Moula (tus) salaamat rehjo hamesha sehatyaab (aamin)

Happiness has filled every soul
All have gathered young and old
It’s Moula’s (tus) 92nd Milad
Sagla khushi maa rahe Abad-o-Shad

Written by:
Abde Syedna (TUS)
Murtaza Habib Shakir

My 4 line reply is like this_--------------------- Aa rahi hai Burhanuddin Ki 92nd Millad------------Kar di hai jis ne kaum ko kitni barbad------------Aao ham sab mil ke haq ki ladai kare------------Kyon na manaye khushi ban ke azad!!!!!!!!!

Kiya baat hai aaj Mohd Hassan,
Teri Sher-o-Shairi ke kassam;

Udhaas hon jayenge logh aas paas,
Dandhoola peetainge maula se naraas;

Jaldhi se bataoo ab me kiya karoon,
Is se pehle ke me moth se daroon;

Are hai koi is dunya me kuda aysa,
Jispe karon me poora bharoosa;

Musibat-he-musibat me mubtula hoon,
Konsa raasta hai jispe panha loon;

Aakhir AIK he KHUDA hai, AIK he KITAAB,
Aur koi chaara nahee hai mere baap.

Please excuse my wordings, the above was written for VIPs like Muslim First, Anajmi, Qiyam and all those who have a harboured another god beside GOD.

WAKE UP AND 'SMELL' THE WORLD BEFORE ITS TOO LATE.

GOD, there is no other god but GOD. HE has no partners and none equals HIM. Be HE Glorified.

BISMILLAH HIR RAHMAN NIR RAHIM,
I SEEK REFUGE WITH ALLAH THE MOST GRACIOUS FROM SHAITAN ACCURSED,
Dear Syedna Muhammad Burhannudin,
Peace be unto you and may Allah the All Knowing bestowhis rahmat and barak on you,
May Alah the Almighty grant you a Long life,
Peace on you the day you were born and peace be on you the day you return to the Lord of the worlds,May the Most Bountiful betow his blessings on you for financing 9200 Muminin,Surely Zakat is the Best of deeds, May the Most wise bless all the muslims of the world and forgive me and my parents and treat them with the same kindness as they treated me when I was young. Wa Salamun alal mursalin.
Jazak Allah Khair

To Quresh #8719,

Are you insulting and praising someone at the same time or what? I can't seem to figure this one out. Please explain and I will, Insha-Allah, reciprocate my reasons for asking.

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Please do not forget that Demi-God of Bohra was born in 1915 and is really 88 years old.

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Please excuse my wordings, the above was written for VIPs like Muslim First, Anajmi, Qiyam and all those who have a harboured another god beside GOD.

For my response visit:

http://www.dawoodi-bohras.com/cgibin/UB ... 2;t=000349

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Originally posted by Muslim First:
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Please do not forget that Demi-God of Bohra was born in 1915 and is really 88 years old.

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Interesting. Sayedna's gregorian birth date is 6 March 1915. This converts to 20, Jumada II, 1333.

Today's date is 20 Jumada II, 1424.

That makes Sayedna 91 years old.

But, it is 91st birth anniverasry. If you count the day of birth itself, then, today, it is 92nd time that his birth is being celebrated.

<u>Correction</u>

Interesting. Sayedna's gregorian birth date is 6 March 1915. This converts to 20, Rabi II, 1333.

Today's date is 20 Rabi II, 1424.

That makes Sayedna 91 years old.

But, it is 91st birth anniverasry. If you count the day of birth itself, then, today, it is 92nd time that his birth is being celebrated.[/QB][/QUOTE]

Dear Quresh,

Thanks for your humble words. May Allah bestow HIS mercy and guide you and all others towards HIS right path as well.

All I have been trying to do is to invite you guys to read, study and understand GOD's words and not any other man-made words that people are not certain about. In other words, do not fall into conjecture, falsehood and guessworks that could lead you to paths other than GOD's where disastor is eminent. This is exactly what has happened and many are now trying their level best to revert back to uphold the teachings of the Quran Alone and to worship and submit to GOD Alone, in order to race towards righteousness to become ONE UMMAH again.

What have I to gain for iviting you all into this. I do not ask you for any wage for my wage comes from GOD, nor am I an angel, nor a messenger, but only a warner who loves GOD Almighty, HIS awesome fathomless creation and HIS infallible revelations.

I am sure My friend Danish that you know that Allah has ordered the muslims in the Holy Quran to be humble and modest and to shun vain talk.

I do know that but thanks for pointining out. Although I like to play a little here and there with staunch disbelievers, that is not my style. Look into yourselves first and check out your own people whom you "think" are guiding you into the right direction.

Frankly speaking I donnot think Syedna Muhammad Burhannudin (tus)is leading people astray.

This is where you, others and I clash. I was once a staunch believer of Syedena and the Bohra community myself, and all I can say here is to "wake-up to the morning glory and 'sleep-not' the after dawn for all which Allah has bestowed upon you", not which Syedna has bestowed upon you. In short, Syedna is only a human being and not the way the majority of the Dawoodi Bohras treat him by exalting and imploring upon him and ranking him to GOD or making him a "demi-god". This is an unforgiveable sin and there is really no excuse whatsoever, for all your good works along with you will be thrown into hell as per the Quran. The current and all the past Syedenas and Dais, as well as the other kothars, have never ever taught the entire Quran to anyone word for word in order to inspire the true words of GOD. I have yet to see a Quranic study session and not an Arabic recitation session or unrelated issues out of context. Do you know WHY? I guess not. Your demi gods are in stronghold of the Jinns that inspire them, if you really want to know. I'm sure you know who Jinns are. They are invisible creatures very much like humans, but reside in their own worlds. Just like humans, there are good and bad in them, but all are Satan's reps and none can be trusted. Many people correspond with them via telepathy, meditation and other means to gain insights and power to supress others with deceit. They can see you but you cannot see them. They come into your minds and hearts to make everything seem right and you will never know what went wrong. One of the major commands of the Quran is to "seek refuge in GOD from Satan the cursed" for lest they come near you or whisper into your hearts. All your Syedenas, Dais, Bhaisahebs and other small kothars are not even close or parallel to GOD's chosen prophets and messengers. I can assure you that none of your demi-gods have ever experienced poverty in their lives nor striven in the way of GOD like the prophets and his family did (PBUT) for all mankind in general, for your gods have always loved "silver plates and ornaments of gold".

[6:100] Yet, they set up beside GOD idols from among the jinns, though He is the One who created them. They even attribute to Him sons and daughters, without any knowledge. Be He glorified. He is the Most High, far above their claims.

[6:112] We have permitted the enemies of every prophet - human and jinn devils - to inspire in each other fancy words, in order to deceive. Had your Lord willed, they would not have done it. You shall disregard them and their fabrications. [6:113] This is to let the minds of those who do not believe in the Hereafter listen to such fabrications, and accept them, and thus expose their real convictions.

[6:128] The day will come when He summons all of them (and says): "O you jinns, you have claimed multitudes of humans." Their human companions will say, "Our Lord, we enjoyed each others' company until we wasted the life span You had set for us." He will say, "Hell is your destiny." They abide therein forever, in accordance with GOD's will. Your Lord is Wise, Omniscient. [6:129] We thus match the wicked to be companions of each other, as a punishment for their transgressions. [6:130] O you jinns and humans, did you not receive messengers from among you, who narrated to you My revelations, and warned you about the meeting of this day? They will say, "We bear witness against ourselves." They were totally preoccupied with the worldly life, and they will bear witness against themselves that they were disbelievers.

[7:179] We have committed to Hell multitudes of jinns and humans. They have minds with which they do not understand, eyes with which they do not see, and ears with which they do not hear. They are like animals; no, they are far worse - they are totally unaware. [7:180] To GOD belongs the most beautiful names; call upon Him therewith, and disregard those who distort His names. They will be requited for their sins. [7:181] Among our creations, there are those who guide with the truth, and the truth renders them righteous. [7:182] As for those who reject our revelations, we lead them on without them ever realizing it.

I have also learnt a Lesson from the prophet Muhammad the exalted,sayings,
that is the strongest among you is he who can control his anger, Stop backbitting, Stop lying............

This same saying is in the Qruan, so what makes hadiths so different? Ask yourselves this BIG QUESTION and you'll find who's lying and backbiting and yes it does make me angry when people talk nonsensence. Don't you have minds, eyes and ears of your own that you can wisely reason with and be appreciative of?
[16:78] GOD brought you out of your mothers' bellies knowing nothing, and He gave you the hearing, the eyesight, and the brains, that you may be appreciative.

[17:36] You shall not accept any information, unless you verify it for yourself. I have given you the hearing, the eyesight, and the brain, and you are responsible for using them.

Many prophets, messengers, revelations, signs and miracles have come and gone. Quran being the ultimate source of guidance, why not make use of it in a proper way to get nearer to GOD rather than away from HIM. Isn't that our ultimate destiny?
[2:121] Those who received the scripture, and know it as it should be known, will believe in this. As for those who disbelieve, they are the losers.

[3:102] O you who believe, you shall observe GOD as He should be observed, and do not die except as Submitters. [6:114] Shall I seek other than GOD as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed? Those who received the scripture recognize that it has been revealed from your Lord, truthfully. You shall not harbor any doubt. [6:115] The word of your Lord is complete, in truth and justice. Nothing shall abrogate His words. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient. [6:116] If you obey the majority of people on earth, they will divert you from the path of GOD. They follow only conjecture; they only guess.

[17:88] Say, "If all the humans and all the jinns banded together in order to produce a Quran like this, they could never produce anything like it, no matter how much assistance they lent one another." [17:89] We have cited for the people in this Quran all kinds of examples, but most people insist upon disbelieving.

GOD, there is no other god but GOD. HE has no partners and none equals HIM. Be HE Glorified.

By the way, can anyone post the poem/song that praises Syedena which goes something like this:
"............moti Jharoo,
Amara Aga Maula se Dharoo"

Funny how all "godly" songs and poems of praises are commonly attributed to all the Dais and Syedenas instead of GOD. I'm sure there are many other such songs, poems and murassiahs said and sung during waaz, Moharram, Ramazan and other religious gatherings for Kothars. Check some of your "saeefas" also. Also note that each and everything that a Dawoodi Bohra does, MUST be endorsed in accordance with His Holiness's "Raza Mubarak". They even perform Salat for them, the previous Syedenas, Dais and the rest of the dead (check your saeefas).

WAKE-UP GUYS:
[2:286] GOD never burdens a soul beyond its means: to its credit is what it earns, and against it is what it commits. "Our Lord, do not condemn us if we forget or make mistakes. Our Lord, and protect us from blaspheming against You, like those before us have done. Our Lord, protect us from sinning until it becomes too late for us to repent. Pardon us and forgive us. You are our Lord and Master. Grant us victory over the disbelieving people".

[14:21] When they all stand before GOD *, the followers will say to the leaders, "We used to follow you. Can you spare us even a little bit of GOD's retribution?" They will say, "Had GOD guided us, we would have guided you. Now it is too late, whether we grieve or resort to patience, there is no exit for us." [14:22] And the devil will say, after the judgment had been issued, "GOD has promised you the truthful promise, and I promised you, but I broke my promise. I had no power over you; I simply invited you, and you accepted my invitation. Therefore, do not blame me, and blame only yourselves. My complaining cannot help you, nor can your complaining help me. I have disbelieved in your idolizing me. The transgressors have incurred a painful retribution."

[34:51] If you could only see them when the great terror strikes them; they cannot escape then, and they will be taken away forcibly.
[34:52] They will then say, "We now believe in it," but it will be far too late. [34:53] They have rejected it in the past; they have decided instead to uphold conjecture and guesswork. [34:54] Consequently, they were deprived of everything they longed for. This is the same fate as their counterparts in the previous generations. They harbored too many doubts.

[/B]RED ALERT:[/B]
[23:99] When death comes to one of them, he says, "My Lord, send me back. [23:100] "I will then work righteousness in everything I left." Not true. This is a false claim that he makes. A barrier will separate his soul from this world until resurrection. [23:101] When the horn is blown, no relations among them will exist on that day, nor will they care about one another.

One of the main reasons, why we must NOT pray for the dead.

By the way, can anyone post the poem/song that praises Syedena which goes something like this:
"............moti Jharoo,
Amara Aga Maula se Dharoo"

Funny how all "godly" songs and poems of praises are commonly attributed to all the Dais and Syedenas instead of GOD. I'm sure there are many other such songs, poems and murassiahs said and sung during waaz, Moharram, Ramazan and other religious gatherings for Kothars. Check some of your "saeefas" also. Also note that each and everything that a Dawoodi Bohra does, MUST be endorsed in accordance with His Holiness's "Raza Mubarak". They even perform Salat for them, the previous Syedenas, Dais and the rest of the dead (check your saeefas).

WAKE-UP GUYS:
[2:286] GOD never burdens a soul beyond its means: to its credit is what it earns, and against it is what it commits. "Our Lord, do not condemn us if we forget or make mistakes. Our Lord, and protect us from blaspheming against You, like those before us have done. Our Lord, protect us from sinning until it becomes too late for us to repent. Pardon us and forgive us. You are our Lord and Master. Grant us victory over the disbelieving people".

[14:21] When they all stand before GOD *, the followers will say to the leaders, "We used to follow you. Can you spare us even a little bit of GOD's retribution?" They will say, "Had GOD guided us, we would have guided you. Now it is too late, whether we grieve or resort to patience, there is no exit for us." [14:22] And the devil will say, after the judgment had been issued, "GOD has promised you the truthful promise, and I promised you, but I broke my promise. I had no power over you; I simply invited you, and you accepted my invitation. Therefore, do not blame me, and blame only yourselves. My complaining cannot help you, nor can your complaining help me. I have disbelieved in your idolizing me. The transgressors have incurred a painful retribution."

[34:51] If you could only see them when the great terror strikes them; they cannot escape then, and they will be taken away forcibly.
[34:52] They will then say, "We now believe in it," but it will be far too late. [34:53] They have rejected it in the past; they have decided instead to uphold conjecture and guesswork. [34:54] Consequently, they were deprived of everything they longed for. This is the same fate as their counterparts in the previous generations. They harbored too many doubts.

RED ALERT:
[23:99] When death comes to one of them, he says, "My Lord, send me back. [23:100] "I will then work righteousness in everything I left." Not true. This is a false claim that he makes. A barrier will separate his soul from this world until resurrection. [23:101] When the horn is blown, no relations among them will exist on that day, nor will they care about one another.

One of the main reasons, why we must NOT pray for the dead.

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My permanent address is... Under my Moula's Feet

Shk. Husain Jamali

( http://archive.mumineen.org/poetry/myaddress.html )

We all have two addresses in USA, current and permanent
Youngsters where they live is current, their parent's is permanent
I am a grandpa now, and my parents are dead, but
My permanent address is..."under my maola's feet"

I may be an M.D., or a Ph.D, an attorney or an engineer
I may climb Mt. Everest and become a mountaineer
My current address may be as big and beautiful as Taj Mahal, but
My permanent address is..."under my maola's feet"

I may be a heart or a brain surgeon
I may be a florist or a tree surgeon
My current address may be as big and beautiful as Eiffel tower, but
My permanent address is..."under my maola's feet"

I may graduate from Jamea alif-meem plus
I may doctorate from Oxford emeritus
My current address may be as big and beautiful as Buckingham Palace, but
My permanent home is..."under my maola's feet"

I may be a computer genius, or a teacher of the year
I may be a car wash owner or own a dry cleaner
My current address may be as big and beautiful as Bill Gates', But
My permanent address is..."under my maola's feet"

I may be a sinner, and a frequent whiner
I may be beggar of many favors, O Creator
My current address may be nothing big and beautiful, but
My permanent address is..."under my maola's feet"

I am a humble servant of Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin
I beseech YOU, Allah, to grant him a long & healthy life in extreme
I won't ask YOU anything big and beautiful for current address, but
My permanent address is..."under my maola's feet"

by: Shk Hussain Jamali
Los Angeles, CA
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So where is your address br. qiyam

also under your demi-god's feet?

Wake up brother before it is too late

Wasalaam

BISMILLAH HIR RAHMAN NIR RAHIM,
I SEEK REFUGE WITH ALLAH THE MOST POWERFUL FROM SHAITAN ACCURSED,
Dear Danish,
May peace be upon you and may Allah the All Knowing bestow his mercy and blessings on you,

All I have been trying to do is to invite you guys to read, study and understand GOD's words

And surely you will get its reward from the All knowing, Surely Dawah is one of the best deeds in the site of the Most Merciful, All His prophets have been doing it. Peace be upon all those who have been sent (to warn)

What have I to gain for iviting you all into this. I do not ask you for any wage for my wage comes from GOD, nor am I an angel, nor a messenger, but only a warner who loves GOD Almighty, HIS awesome fathomless creation and HIS infallible revelations.

These words Above, the first two lines remind me of the Quranal Hakkim. Do you no the story of a woman who would always quote from the Quran Mubarak in order never to sin and displease The All Mighty.

This is where you, others and I clash. I was once a staunch believer of Syedena and the Bohra community myself, and all I can say here is to "wake-up to the morning glory and 'sleep-not' the after dawn for all which Allah has bestowed upon you", not which Syedna has bestowed upon you. In short, Syedna is only a human being and not the way the majority of the Dawoodi Bohras treat him by exalting and imploring upon him and ranking him to GOD or making him a "demi-god". This is an unforgiveable sin and there is really no excuse whatsoever, for all your good works along with you will be thrown into hell as per the Quran. The current and all the past Syedenas and Dais, as well as the other kothars, have never ever taught the entire Quran to anyone word for word in order to inspire the true words of GOD. I have yet to see a Quranic study session and not an Arabic recitation session or unrelated issues out of context.

I SEEK REFUGE WITH ALLAH FROM THE EVIL THAT WHICHHE HAS CREATED,
You cannot be a staunch Beleiver if you beleive in Syedna But you can Be a Staunch beleiver when you beleive in The Best creator,Al-Azim. How can Syedna bestow anything on me bad or good when he himself in All his prayers says thee alone we ask for help and Oh Allah I ask you for my life in this world and in the here fter and there is no strength or power besides Allah. How are you so sure that the english translation that you read is the Real Quran the real meaning what Allah the all knowing wants to give us.This can be noted with the vast differences in the translations of the quran by Pickthall, Yusuf ali, Khan, Rhasid..... I suggest if you really Love Allah the most passionate then learn arabic and read his words in the language of revelation. Yusuf Ali, may peace be upon him and Allahs blessings and mercy always been on him for trying to take a huge step in Dawah, shocked the world when he declared that the Quranal Hakkim can never be translated word for word and without knowing arabic one can never know the real words of Allah. As for me I cannot learn Arabic right now I have to study for my 11 and 12 std. But surely in future when Allah wills I will try to learn Arabic. To realize the true miracle of allah learn arabic like Porus and Surely you will get your reward from the All knowing.

All your Syedenas, Dais, Bhaisahebs and other small kothars are not even close or parallel to GOD's chosen prophets and messengers. I can assure you that none of your demi-gods have ever experienced poverty in their lives nor striven in the way of GOD like the prophets and his family did (PBUT) for all mankind in general, for your gods have always loved "silver plates and ornaments of gold".

I seek refuge with the All powerful from Jinn who whisperth in the hearts of mankind,

You are highly mistaken Many Dais have sacrificed their life forthe all knowing, One of the Dais was beheaded by aurangzeb. Islam is not a ascetic religion but we as muslims have been given the permission to the life of this world in the fullest but not at the cost of the hereafter. Never has Allah taala ever forbidden the so called silver plates or golden ornaments.
“ Say: Who hath forbidden the adornment of Allah which He hath brought forth for His bondmen, and the good things of His providing?” (Al-A`raf: 32)

The Dai has financed 9200 muslims have you he has built a hospital have you he has ........

I know he gains the money from the Bohras but are you ready to take the responsibily of maintaining hospitals orphanages ...........then very well but remember the slightest mistake you make entitles you to............ Are you ready to lead a life like the prophet did........Well you are presently not because you criticize you donnot know arabic you.............

So give charity my fellow muslim brothers even a smile is charity

Quresh #8719,

Another 'shock and awe':

As for me I cannot learn Arabic right now I have to study for my 11 and 12 std. But surely in future when Allah wills I will try to learn Arabic.

Well, well, well. Look who's talking. A child with no Arabic background and all this time he has been boasting around as if he knows the entire Quran. See how GOD Almighty exposes people like you. Come back when you've learnt your Arabic, until then sorry dude, wrong number. And Ah yes, please don't take GOD's name in vain when you yourself have no idea about the Quran.

To realize the true miracle of allah learn arabic like Porus

You might as well elect him your next upcoming Syedna with your progeny. He seems to be far better qualified then all previous money thirsty morons who come out to protest against GOD. By the time Porus is done, I'm sure you will be next in kin after your Arabic studies that is.