Masjid or not...

[Momin]

[Momin]

[pardesi]

Moman bhai,

Great job. Now could you also post the pictures of our Jamatkhanas in India, Pakistan, Africa, Dubai, etc. for the enquiring minds. They will shut up atleast on that front. My computer skills or lack there of does not allow me to copy paste pictures here.

Thanks you.

[Muslim First]

Pardesi Bhai

Y Allah Madad

Before we take up too much storage space from our generous hosts 'Progressive Bohras' Let me say that Masjid does not become Masjid bacause it has traditional looks. What you do inside makes it Masjid.

I started in Building Designing and Constructn field as a student in 8th grade in 1956. And Iam still in samed field today. I have participated as a featured participant in seminars sponserd by MIT's Arch. Dept. So I know Masjid inside out.

I have posted elements of Masjid elsewhere here they are again.

Muslim First
Prolific
Member # 127
posted September 10,2008 at 08:20 AM

Masjid
Prayer center for Muslims[/B]

Essential elements

*Large or small hall for prayer spaces

*Mehrab= Nitch indicating direction of Qibla (Dirction towards Holy Masjid in Mecca/Kaaba)

*Mimber=steps leading to platform from which
Khutba is delieverd

*Wadu facility= Ritual washing facility

Non essential:
*Dome
*Minaret
*Court yard

Other optional elements to make it into cultural center

*Kitchen
*Janitor room
*Security room
*Class rooms
*offices
*Library
*conference rooms
*Body washing room

A Masjid can be Storefront,Classic, Semi Classic or Modern. It does not make difference.

Masjid is where Muslim come to Worship Allah SWT by performing ordained Salat at 5 fixed times (Some compress it into 3).

Muslims are permitted to enter Masjids regardless of their sect preference. Perform Wadu if they need it, A Adahn is recited at fixed time. Some time is given to perform Sunnah prayes if required. A Iqama is recited, Fird prayers are performed led by Imam (Prayer leader). Then Muslims perform Sunna and Nafl prayers, Offer Duaa (Supplication) and depart.

In America Salat worship is tolared regardless of their hand placement or actions.

Now Ismaili Jamatkhana as I understand is a gethering/Duaa center for Nizari Ismailis.

Beside Cultural facility they have a Duaa hall where only Ismailis are permitted. This hall does not have to face Qibla. There, 4 part Duaa sessions are held 3 times a day led by man, women or child and Ismaili beseech their MHI=Ali=Allah. Recite list of previous Imams etc. etc.

Here again looks has nothing to do what happens inside.

Please correct me if I erred.

Take care.

Y Allah M
.

[turbocanuck]

MF, Quranic proof of exactly what the inside and outside of Masjid should look like......no hadith please........
exact specifications of masjid (was it called Masjid in Quran?).......Masjid features like "mimbar" etc. dont inundate your answer by adding, "accepted norms by muslims" so on so forth. if you go by this logic, it is now universally accepted by the West that Islam and its followers are barbarians which would not be true...lets see if you engage in a sane discussion. p.s. i'm not holding my breath..

[Muslim First]

BTW

Sorry about Typing errors.

Please Do not bother to psot JK pictures. I have seen them all. They are good and I am sure they serve intended purpose. I am not interested in debating whose building is better.

[Aarif]

Great job. Now could you also post the pictures of our Jamatkhanas in India, Pakistan, Africa, Dubai, etc. for the enquiring minds. They will shut up atleast on that front. My computer skills or lack there of does not allow me to copy paste pictures here.

Pardesi,

As usual you are trying to steer this topic in different direction. As mentioned by Br. MF, masjid is the primary place for offering salaat.. There is a place for wudhu and provision for Azaan. Also, the sound of azaan makes a much bigger impact when the masjid is dome shaped and this is important for people living in that locality who pray at home when the azaan is recited. And also, this is another important use of azaan. Most of the masjids (i.e. 95%) look similar... There are millions of masjids in the world. You have managed to post some 5-6 repititive picts of unique masjids...

APART FROM THAT I WAS MORE INTERESTED IN KNOWING WHY THE ISMAILIES CALL THEIR PLACE OF PRAYER AS JAMAT KHANA INSTEAD OF MASJID?

Anyways you will not understand this question and I do not expect a logical answer from you...

[Muslim First]

Br Areef

Do you want to give village idiot "Quranic proof of exactly what the inside and outside of Masjid should look like......"?

[Aarif]

Br. MF

I agree with you.

[Danish]

The masjids are becoming "progressive". Were there any 'masajids' during prophets time that were DOME shaped?

[turbocanuck]

Originally posted by Aareef:
Br. MF

I agree with you.

Jaisa Bhai waisa Inbred.........

[turbocanuck]

Originally posted by Muslim First:
Br Areef

Do you want to give village idiot "Quranic proof of exactly what the inside and outside of Masjid should look like......"?

There aint any, You delinquent Babboon MF

[turbocanuck]

Originally posted by Aareef:

APART FROM THAT I WAS MORE INTERESTED IN KNOWING WHY THE ISMAILIES CALL THEIR PLACE OF PRAYER AS JAMAT KHANA INSTEAD OF MASJID?

Why dont you go Yell and get all Apeshit in front of ones who may be intimidated by you....

[pardesi]

Originally posted by Aareef:

Pardesi,

As usual you are trying to steer this topic in different direction. As mentioned by Br. MF, masjid is the primary place for offering salaat.. There is a place for wudhu and provision for Azaan. Also, the sound of azaan makes a much bigger impact when the masjid is dome shaped and this is important for people living in that locality who pray at home when the azaan is recited. And also, this is another important use of azaan. Most of the masjids (i.e. 95%) look similar... There are millions of masjids in the world. You have managed to post some 5-6 repititive picts of unique masjids...

APART FROM THAT I WAS MORE INTERESTED IN KNOWING WHY THE ISMAILIES CALL THEIR PLACE OF PRAYER AS JAMAT KHANA INSTEAD OF MASJID?

Anyways you will not understand this question and I do not expect a logical answer from you...[/QUOTE]

No Aareef I am not trying to steer the topic in a different direction. It is your cohorts forte. The topic here is "Masjid or not" and I am within the bounds.

Let it go Aareef. We all know what you were after. It was never about why we call our place of worship as Jamatkhanas, rather, you insisted on the standard structure of masjids and thinking that since our Jamatkhanas do not resemble your masjids you could grill us on that front. I have proved that a masjid can have a modern look, even without domes and minarets and at the same time Aga Khani Jamatkhanas do have Islamic architectural look and then some. MF has agreed with my views that the structure does not matter.

We have responded to each and every one of your accusations. On the other hand answers to some of the questions raised by the Ismailis have not been forthcoming from your side. Since your mind was already made up as to the outcome of our recent debates on other threads, you might as well declare us Non-muslims. That will not stop us from calling ourselves Muslims. We are what we are and do things according to our beliefs. Make whatever you want out of it and let Allah be the judge. You worry about your lot as you have lot to worry about and fix within your community.

You were looking for logical answers to illogical questions that is the reason I had to give you logical explanations instead of answers. Logical explanations tend to stretch out but you were looking for yes or no answers like an attorney. I am not on trial and will answer your questions the way I deem fit. You are at liberty to filter out the logic.

One last thing - Are you trying to put a new spin on the subject of Masjids by stressing special effects of the Dome on nearby residents? Are you kidding me? Take it up with MF - he is a staunch opponent of Dome and Minarets. Listen to him, he is an authority on masjid design. If he say you don't need it, you don't need it. Period.

[turbocanuck]

Quoted by Pardesi...

One last thing - Are you trying to put a new spin on the subject of Masjids by stressing special effects of the Dome on nearby residents? Are you kidding me? Take it up with MF - he is a staunch opponent of Dome and Minarets. Listen to him, he is an authority on masjid design. If he say you don't need it, you don't need it. Period.

The communication lines between the Ventriloquist and the Dummy must have gotten twisted (like their logic) Ha Ha ha Ha Ha .....

[Muslim First]

Take it up with MF - he is a staunch opponent of Dome and Minarets. Listen to him, he is an authority on masjid design. If he say you don't need it, you don't need it. Period.

For information to everybody:

Dome is expression of relgious structure. different regions have differient geometry. Dome imparts accoustical quality to Masjid.

Domes are expensive therefore I do not favor them. PA System can give desired voice quality.

Minarets are also expensive and are not required bacause Adhan can be transmitted by Loud speaker of other modern means.

New Iaslimic Cultural Center in Roxbury, MA has both Dome and Mineret as desired by Mayor Manino of Boston. City provided land at reduced price. He wanted Masjid to look like Masjid but also wanted to use native Brick. It is handsome and functional building.

Thank you

[Aarif]

Dome imparts accoustical quality to Masjid.

Br. MF

Thanks for posting that. This is what I was trying to tell in my post. You made a scientific point.

We have responded to each and every one of your accusations.

Pardesi,

If you call questions as accusations than it is fine with me. I know you guys are experts at coming out with different names like Jamat Khana

However, you have not answered any of my question to my satisfaction... Afcourse you can keep writing that in every other post of yours on this forum if that helps you...