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I donot see any post from Br. Al-Zulfiqar since long and now worried about his welfare. Is Al-Zulfiqar pen name of Zulfiqar Husain, one of the founding member of reformist jamat and died recently (October 8, 2008)?

I too like many others on this thread are eager to hear from Mr.Al-Zulfiqarbhai. Where is he and why isnt he active on the forum ? Any news ?

Zulfiqar has left this forum in protest.
Read this thread and some others (you'll have to make a search) to find out why:
http://dawoodi-bohras.com/forum/viewtop ... 495#p15495

Where is Al-Zulfiqar? You have been gone again for a long time. I really miss your postings on the board. Please come back as soon as possible.

Thanks.

Dear Al-Zufiqar,
Since 1964 after I openly joined Reform Movement I have suffered many insults and even beatings. My best friends and relatives treated me in a manner which I could never imagine. But once I took a stand I never looked back. I request you to come back to this board with your valuable contribution. We can't afford to miss you.

Insafbhai,
Allah always show them right path!!!!!
Insafbhai
I like to know more about yourself if u dont mind or if u what can talk about yourself and why u choose refomist
thanks

Quote Jayanti
Insafbhai,
Allah always show them right path!!!!!

I am so glad Jayanti finally saw the light, By joining the Progressive movement, Allah does always shows everyone the right path.

Omabhen,

Quote Jayanti
Insafbhai,
Allah always show them right path!!!!!

I am so glad Jayanti finally saw the light, By joining the Progressive movement, Allah does always shows everyone the right path.

I mean that Al Zulfiqar is disappear because Allah has shown him a right path that why he left Progressive monement.I am waiting for you omabhen to leave this progressive movement may allah help you and your family.

Next trip if I am in atlanta we will go to dinner.

I think Zulfikar is sulking after Admin told him to refrain from advocating violence, come Zulfikar be a man and take critisism like a man.

If you are willing to give crap 2 people you should be willing to take it, be thick skinnned.

Jayanti
You tell me where you are and I will visit you and the lunch or dinner is on me. You do not have to worry about Kothar for meeting with me since I do receive all kind of e mails as they decided NOT TO CANCEL my e-jamat membership despite me not paying any more sabeel or any wajebats to them, One day I might start attending Majaalis and other events once the corruption has been erased and DADAGIRI of the Aamils and their CHAMCHAS gives way to humility and humble behaviour. I am hopeful that Allah will show the Kothari Goons the right path of not abusing poor Bohra.
BTW I am not in Atlanta not even in the state of GA.

Bro Al Zulfiqar,

Where are you ? Pardah maa chaala gaya chho ke pachhi tamara bawa shafiq ni tabiyat no sadmo laagi gayo chhe ? Miss you.

I was never in Atlanta and never in GA
Next time get your information correct and find the right spies. I do not know which poor soul in Atlanta Jamat you are suspecting and harassing as Omabharti.
Where I live is known to couple of people on this board and if they wish the can testify that I DONOT LIVE IN ATLANTA.
and I have no desire to tell you where I live but I am in Eastern part of USA go figure.....

Quote by Jayanti bhen
"First of all you progressive are scared.dont disclose your information about yourself"

IF YOU ARE NOT SCARED THEN HOW ABOUT YOU TELLING US THE TRUE IDENTITY OF YOURSELF. DO NOT BE A PUSSY CAT
YOU HAVE MOULA'S SAYA ON YOU AND NO HARM CAN COME TO YOU WHAT ARE YOU SO AFRAID OF. DO NOT YOU BELIEVE YOUR KOTHARI GOONS CAN PROTECT YOU FROM US PROGRESSIVES OR YOU DONOT HAVE FAITH IN SYEDNA TO PROTECT YOU.

Omabhen,IF YOU ARE NOT SCARED THEN HOW ABOUT YOU TELLING US THE TRUE IDENTITY OF YOURSELF. DO NOT BE A PUSSY CAT
YOU HAVE MOULA'S SAYA ON YOU AND NO HARM CAN COME TO YOU WHAT ARE YOU SO AFRAID OF. DO NOT YOU BELIEVE YOUR KOTHARI GOONS CAN PROTECT YOU FROM US PROGRESSIVES OR YOU DONOT HAVE FAITH IN SYEDNA TO PROTECT YOU

We have saya of Aqa maula....what about you?I am ready to disclose my identity well we will start with you...Ladies first!!!!

Beware! See how Jayanti has derailed the discussion and diverted the topic.

Quote by Jayanti
"Ladies first!!!!"

Jayanti is name of lady too...unless you are Bi.......

Br. Safiuddin
Yes I did notice but since this thread was not for any particular subject and just to ask AZ to return I thought I let these so called Hypocrites do the rambling..

dear brothers,

thanks for your concern on my absence. i have been away from this board due to personal and business reasons.

since last 2-3 months my beloved widowed mother has taken seriously ill and i needed to be by her side. she and my father were married for well over 60 years and she misses him intensely. the economy is also not making things easier.

my last statement on using violence where necessary as a solid reply to violent attacks on us by the orthos, although well-intentioned but clearly wrongly worded, has naturally caused quite an outroar. perhaps i am responsible for conveying the impression that reformists should organise and indulge in wanton violence and make it a central plank of their struggle.

i must clarify. first of all, that was not my intention, i wished that bohras emulate the brave example of the udaipuris who refused to be cowed by the kothari goondas and stand up fearlessly against intimidation and bullying by demonstrating courage and outwardly showing that they can be a physical menace if attacked. secondly, i wish to make it clear to all on this board that i am not officially among the reformists, although i am a staunch sympathiser. thirdly, i am personally the most non-violent person at heart. i abhor violence in all its forms, whether physical, mental or social.

i have been accused as being a liability to the reformists with my tirades against the injustices and tyranny of the syedna and his establishment. my anger is not borne out of any personal grudges or bad experiences but on observance of the pain and suffering of those around me, as well as the outright rape and shameless plunder of our generally peace-loving community by the religious establishment in the name of our deen and its great leaders. it is a travesty of islam and a blatant and mercenary exploitation of our simple faith by using the shahadat of imam hussain and others to loot, misguide and hoodwink us. throughout my life of 50+ i have landed in trouble by speaking up and showing empathy for the oppressed and taking up their cause, when they were not related to me and i had no vested interest in their lives.

my wife often chides me for being a sentimental fool and being so idealistic as to take up cudgels on someone else's behalf. that fervour sometimes boils over into frustration with the circumstances in which this mild and peace loving community finds itself. if the reformists feel that my continued presence harms their cause, i will gladly and without rancour leave this forum.

no one should be under the impression that my views reflect that of the open reformists. people like Bhai S. Insaf and other stalwart reformists are too respected and upright to have their image and credibility suffer due to any of my indiscretions. i am not a scholar on islam, neither on every detail of our deen. all i have is my sense of outrage at the goons who are by deception and clever manipulation looting and terrorising us day and night.

i reiterate, i come in peace and love for my fellow bohras, majority of whom are good at heart even if misguided and misplaced in their faith. yes, i have no patience for the fanatic and brainless mouthpieces like frog, pig, etc who only come here to defend rascals and criminals for obvious reasons.

thanks once again.

Dear Al Zulfiqar
That was very well said and May Allah provide you and your family all the patience and give strength thru these difficult times in your life
Welcome back

Welcome back Zulfiqar bhai... We need you here. Please continue posting.

thanks bros omabharati and like minded for your kind words

Welcom Back Brother Al Zulfiquar.

Sorry to know about sickness of your Beloved mother and I pray the Al Mighty Allah to grant her health, hapiness and prosperity.

Regards.

Dear Zulfiqar Bhai:
Salam Alaikum
I'm not a regular contributor to this forum, however, I regularly visit and read the blogs. Some are good and make sense and some don't. But, this is a free for all, and everyone comes here to speak their heart and mind. I read your post and was touched by your sincerity. I think we both have a lot in common. I agree to most of your comments, but as you know due to fear of persecution and other grave consequences to oneself and ones family and relatives, we have to come here under camouflage or disguise. I would like to make a contact with you. You seem a very sincere and true Bohra and I can relate to your feelings. While I count myself as a true Bohra myself, at the same time I have lots of disagreements on the state of affairs of our community. That's why I visit here and read people's mind and relate myself to them. But not all are like that here, some only come here to spit their venom and show their hatred to our Beloved Maula (TUS).
But I'm sure that everyone who visits and contributes on this forum are basically good people and just trying their best to bring about change, and each one is doing it their own way. May Allah Tala grant, and show, us all a true and righteous way of life, Ameen. Forgive my poor language. Wasalaam

Ijtehad,

I think you are mistaken mate, Zulfikar is Aqa Mola's main dushman , if you say you have so much in common with him than I think you are going on the wrong path. Zulfikar has a lot of venon and dushmani against mainstream.

Dear Africawala bhai:
Like I said, everyone who are contributing on this forum, including you ofcourse, are nice people and wishing only good for the Community. However, amook logo no tariko galat che....but I am pretty sure everyone wishes good for all. Therefore, let's make this a positive forum and pursue the mission on one common platform. Unity amongst ourselves is very important to our mission, progressive or otherwise, we all are one. Please lets not be judgmental.
Long Live Aqa Maula (TUS), Ameen. Allah Subhanhu sagla Mumineen ane Muminaat ne Ehna Rakhopa ma rakhe, Ameen.

bro. ijtehadi,

thanks for reaching out. it is amusing to see the attempts on the part of this africanbhai to brainwash you and influence you against me and the evilness of this forum. he assumes that you are some naive and immature person who will be easily led astray..!

you have read and understood my views. i stand for justice, integrity, compassion and common sense in all matters and anyone who dares to exploit, plunder, deceive or oppress others in whatever manner, be it on political, social or religious grounds, i will oppose them with all my might. at such a time, i will not consider the status of the tyrant and aggressor, no matter how much of a sacred goat he may be.

whereas as bohras we respect and acknowledge the position and office of the dai, it being central to our faith, it does not mean we cannot criticise and oppose the high handedness or illegal, unethical and unjust practices of a corrupt individual who occupies it and sullies the good name of it. the dai is not infallible and unaccountable and is a servant and purely spiritual leader of our community, not we his servants or slaves and him to lord over us or loot and dictate to us without regard to the principles of our deen as practised over the last 1400 years by each and every imam and dai.

the last 2 dais have played fast and loose with our deen and distorted and perverted its practices and customs to the point that many bohras today believe that whatever is being practised now is the truth and was always like this.

i am sorry to disappoint you if you have believed that i am a big ashique of this present syedna or his father, for whatever they have done is beyond pardon, only allah knows their hashar in their afterlife. as for africawala, he is a genuine 24 carat hypocrite (if such an oxymoron can exist in the english language, that in itself being apocryphal!) and inspite of his hatred for this site, he comes here nevertheless like an opportunistic hyena, hunts with the wolves and sleeps with the lambs. he mistakenly believes that his pathetic attempts to curry favor with the reformists and show them he is one of them is actually being swallowed hook, line and sinker by the gullibles. but occasionally and often he lets his guard slip and then comes back to square one and shows his asli auqat as a blind ortho. we have met many like him, who only wish to drink from both fountains and cunningly suck both dry.

bro. ijtehadi, welcome here, read and use yr own judgement. make use of the intellect that allah has given you to analyse, evaluate and then conclude. a blind and fanatic belief is not what even the quran conveys or allah desires. it constantly challenges you to apply yr powers of reasoning and logic and only then accept.

Zulfiqar, good to see you back and and that too in your full, prolific form. Keep it up. Sorry to hear about your mother's illness, hope she's feeling better now.
I'm glad that you've clarified your position on "violence". Regarding your comeback post I just have one quibble. It may amount to nitpicking but here it is: You say "my wife often chides me for being a sentimental fool and being so idealistic as to take up cudgels on someone else's behalf". I'm not sure on whose behalf you're taking up cudgels. Would you care to explain?

Thanks Humsafar. My mother is out of danger but her basic problems due to old age remain.

Yr query is not nitpicking. what i meant was that i often take up other's fights, when i see that they are too scared or lack confidence to take on someone they percieve as stronger and bigger than them. no, i am not someone's paid agent and no one is pulling my strings. is that the impression i conveyed perhaps?

whether it was in school, society, friends or in our community, i plunged in where others quietly slink away. we bohras as a rule are - "patli gali thi sarki javu", and "chad ja beta suli par, hu humna awu chu" type.

unfortunately this rooting for the underdog is a trait which is not very wise in our set up.