Who are bigger terrorists,The ones in Mumbai or Americans
Re: Who are bigger terrorists,The ones in Mumbai or Americans
Yet most of the Wahabbi money is in America ! how ironical ? your rulers are their best friends and do business together ! and to top this all, America occupies their lands only because they need America to protect them from the "muslim infidels'....and so what are you saying to us? how many of you have come to "heretical" America to find better prospects ? what is the contribution of America to G8 countries?....so what is your other choce? China? Russia?.....We look around the world and find that only the Muslim states still retain tyrannical and despotic dynasties as Kings, Sultans and Emirs. Their word is law, rather it is life itself. To speak against their dictate is to risk one’s life and good riddance to the vaunted Islamic Shariah they supposedly practice in their lives that forbids killing as an absolute evil......looks like America is still a better choice for you guys ....zn
Re: Who are bigger terrorists,The ones in Mumbai or Americans
Muslim leaders are pretty messed up these days, whether they be the tyrannical rulers in the Middle east or Aga Khan.
Re: Who are bigger terrorists,The ones in Mumbai or Americans
America is most certainly a great country. Justice and equality for all is a basic Islamic principle which America has implemented until recently. That is the reason for its success. And the current corruption amongst their ruling elite and their injustices have begun its fall. Too many Average Morons have begun to eat away at the core principles of this country like termites. Muslim leaders are in love with their thrones and that is why they are being humiliated. Muslim leaders and Islam are two different things. Just like what Aga Khan does or asks his idiots to do has nothing to do with Islam, so also what the middle eastern muslim leaders do, has nothing to do with Islam.
Re: Who are bigger terrorists,The ones in Mumbai or Americans
Najma,
So now you even concede that your cult leaders are "messed" up like you in their upper chambers....
So then why are you barking at the world when you know that they are all useless and can create no worthwhile benchmark for comparison with the Jews and the Christians?.....
As for the Aga Khan, first he does not have the kind of money your cult has to waste and then he gives it away, for the most part to the poor and the disenfranchised ( an average of 500 million a year) instead of buying diamond studded cars for his children like your leaders do when muslims are poor and need the basic things of life ....and more so the Aga Khan does not give his money to America the way your leaders do and so frankly there is no comparison and like AW said once, if you all contributed a bit more towards humanity and if your leaders used this for the needy and poor, instead of blowing up people , we all could do a great service to humanity....all you know is to come here on forums and bark like hajaliyyas of the present time....you think everyone is a fool and don't know the facts as they are....zn
So now you even concede that your cult leaders are "messed" up like you in their upper chambers....
So then why are you barking at the world when you know that they are all useless and can create no worthwhile benchmark for comparison with the Jews and the Christians?.....
As for the Aga Khan, first he does not have the kind of money your cult has to waste and then he gives it away, for the most part to the poor and the disenfranchised ( an average of 500 million a year) instead of buying diamond studded cars for his children like your leaders do when muslims are poor and need the basic things of life ....and more so the Aga Khan does not give his money to America the way your leaders do and so frankly there is no comparison and like AW said once, if you all contributed a bit more towards humanity and if your leaders used this for the needy and poor, instead of blowing up people , we all could do a great service to humanity....all you know is to come here on forums and bark like hajaliyyas of the present time....you think everyone is a fool and don't know the facts as they are....zn
Re: Who are bigger terrorists,The ones in Mumbai or Americans
Najmi,
Now you are contrdicting yourself ! now you are saying America is a great country and dah dah dah....see your fairy tales and idiosyncracies....just go to your latrine....i don'tthing you even know what you are doing....zn
Now you are contrdicting yourself ! now you are saying America is a great country and dah dah dah....see your fairy tales and idiosyncracies....just go to your latrine....i don'tthing you even know what you are doing....zn
Re: Who are bigger terrorists,The ones in Mumbai or Americans
don't worry about the Aga Khan....none of your business as he is NOT the Ima of the infidels and the cursed ones who have gone astray....zn
Re: Who are bigger terrorists,The ones in Mumbai or Americans
znan,
I have never claimed them to be my cult leaders like you claim Aga Khan to be your cult leader. This is simply something that you concluded yourself because without these fantasies and fictional associations heaped on me, you have nothing. Not even the quran.
I have never claimed them to be my cult leaders like you claim Aga Khan to be your cult leader. This is simply something that you concluded yourself because without these fantasies and fictional associations heaped on me, you have nothing. Not even the quran.
Re: Who are bigger terrorists,The ones in Mumbai or Americans
So are you an orphan then? certainly we are not as we have the Ahl al Bayt and the real Quran with us !..what do you have ? Nothing !...zn
Re: Who are bigger terrorists,The ones in Mumbai or Americans
Yes, even the prophet was an orphan. Hazrat Ali was an orphan too. They didn't follow cult leaders like the Aga Khan. Abd since you cannot quote from this real quran, that means you are fooling everyone. There is only one quran. We have it and we can even offer you a copy. And unlike your Imam, who wants money for his speeches, I will give a copy to your free of charge. And it doesn't matter how much the Ismailis jump up and down. The fact that Hazrat Umar and Hazrat Uthman compiled it, and Hazrat Ali accepted it during his Caliphate and commanded his followers to follow the word of that quran (refer to the Nahjul Balagha), is not going to change. It will remain a thorn in the back of the munafiqs forever.
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Re: Who are bigger terrorists,The ones in Mumbai or Americans
What is scary is that you actually believe this crap. The victims of your terrorism know your justice and Muslim women know your equality.anajmi wrote: Justice and equality for all is a basic Islamic principle
As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (next), refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly). You missed one more fictional basic Islamic priciple..... compassion. As in, Wahabi men can only beat their women "lightly" as they are such sensitive teddy bears.
Re: Who are bigger terrorists,The ones in Mumbai or Americans
Oh please fart bank. Your farting is become worst than that of the Ismailis. Try not to quote from the quran and display your ignorance about anything Islamic. The American justice perpetrated by the Average Morons in the rest of the world is pretty well known. Keep your farts to yourself.
Re: Who are bigger terrorists,The ones in Mumbai or Americans
Najmi,
so you admit you ar an orphan and neither here now or there ! Good for you ! now sit with MF on his scooter and take a ride.....who told you Ali was an orphan? don't you know the prophet adopted him since he was a child and at night he used to sleep on the Prophet's chest and he was the most beloved of the prophet?....zn
so you admit you ar an orphan and neither here now or there ! Good for you ! now sit with MF on his scooter and take a ride.....who told you Ali was an orphan? don't you know the prophet adopted him since he was a child and at night he used to sleep on the Prophet's chest and he was the most beloved of the prophet?....zn
Re: Who are bigger terrorists,The ones in Mumbai or Americans
Do you always use words that you don't have a clue about? You obviously don't know what an orphan is do you? You used orphan in the context of cult leaders. Neither the prophet (saw) nor Hazrat Ali had cult leaders like the Ismailis. You are actually really stupid. Unless it is an Ismaili custom to have all Ismaili women impregnated by the Hazar Imam.
Re: Who are bigger terrorists,The ones in Mumbai or Americans
Lo ! who is farting Najmi? it is you pal.....You are those who call on the world to pass a
resolution against disparaging religion, while you denigrate other religions in each prayer in the mosques, as well as in YOUR schools - and especially [the religion] of Christians and Jews, whom YOU curse in every prayer. YOU are those who have bartered guidance for error: but YOUR traffic is profitless, and YOU have lost true direction. You belong to a cult who issue fanciful
fatwas or those who allow such fairy tales to be studied in religious schools and
colleges... The ones who harm ISLAM are those who teach children in schools, particularly so-called Islamic [schools], to hate Christians on the grounds that it is forbidden to love them.. so where is the "fart" coming from?....zn
resolution against disparaging religion, while you denigrate other religions in each prayer in the mosques, as well as in YOUR schools - and especially [the religion] of Christians and Jews, whom YOU curse in every prayer. YOU are those who have bartered guidance for error: but YOUR traffic is profitless, and YOU have lost true direction. You belong to a cult who issue fanciful
fatwas or those who allow such fairy tales to be studied in religious schools and
colleges... The ones who harm ISLAM are those who teach children in schools, particularly so-called Islamic [schools], to hate Christians on the grounds that it is forbidden to love them.. so where is the "fart" coming from?....zn
Re: Who are bigger terrorists,The ones in Mumbai or Americans
Najmi....You said you had no leaders you believed in him....and so that makes you an "orphan"...you neither follow the Prophet or his family which includes Ali....so why are you not able to argue competently within the subject under discussion....we all know you follow Wahhabi cult of Ibn Wahab...and yet you have disowned him...now what did Ali or Prophet have anything to do with Wahab? Nothing ! absolutely nothing !...zn
Re: Who are bigger terrorists,The ones in Mumbai or Americans
znan,
More incoherent blabber. Time to go to sleep.
More incoherent blabber. Time to go to sleep.
Re: Who are bigger terrorists,The ones in Mumbai or Americans
good choice ! better you sleep for you will not win against me....but don't sleep eternally ...hahahahaahh!
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Re: Who are bigger terrorists,The ones in Mumbai or Americans
Was that a quote from the Quran ? You are friggin' kidding me !anajmi wrote:Try not to quote from the quran
Re: Who are bigger terrorists,The ones in Mumbai or Americans
No I am not. I am just friggin you !!
Re: Who are bigger terrorists,The ones in Mumbai or Americans
THE POWER OF DUA
Khalid Baig
The dua can change our life, our outlook, and our fate. It is the most potent weapon of a believer.
Once Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) passed by a people who were suffering from some affliction. "Why don't they make dua (pray) to Allah for protection," he said. With all the suffering and disasters Muslims are facing in various parts of the world, the question can be directed to all of us today.
It is not that we have forgotten dua completely; we refer to it regularly. But, our ideas and practice regarding dua have become distorted. Often it is reduced to the level of a ritual. Generally it is considered when all our efforts have failed – an act of last resort. It is belittled through actions and sometimes even with words. Is it any wonder that today mostly a mention of dua is meant to indicate the hopelessness of a situation.
What a tragedy, for dua is the most potent weapon of a believer. It can change fate, while no action of ours even can. It is the essence of ibadah or worship. With it we can never fail; without it we can never succeed. In the proper scheme of things, dua should be the first and the last resort of the believer, with all his plans and actions coming in between.
Dua is conversation with Allah, our Creator, our Lord and Master, the All Knowing, the All Powerful. This act in itself is of extraordinary significance. It is the most uplifting, liberating, empowering, and transforming conversation a person can ever have. We turn to Him because we know that He alone can lift our sufferings and solve our problems. We feel relieved after describing our difficulties to our Creator. We feel empowered after having communicated with the All Mighty. We sense His mercy all around us after talking to the Most Merciful. We get a new commitment to follow His path for that is the only path for success. We fell blessed with each such commitment.
In every difficulty our first action is dua, as it our last. We ask Allah to show us the way to handle that difficulty; we seek His help in following the path He shows to us; we seek His aid in making our efforts successful. When we fall sick, we know that we cannot find the right doctor may not be able to diagnose our condition without His Command; that the best treatment plan will not succeed without His Permission. We make dua for all of these. We make dua before we seek medical help, while we are receiving it and after it has been delivered. The same is true of all other difficulties we may encounter.
Dua is the essence of ibadah. A person engaged in dua affirms his belief in Tawheed (monotheism) and shuns belief in all false gods. With each dua his belief in Allah grows. He beseeches Him, affirming his own powerlessness. A person seriously and sincerely engaged in dua understands exactly the relationship between himself and the Creator and affirms it through his actions. That is the essence of worship! Additionally, such a person can never become arrogant or proud, a logical result of true worship.
Dua is conversation with Allah. It is the most uplifting, liberating, empowering, and transforming conversation a person can ever have.
Dua is our most potent weapon in all struggles of life as well as in jihad in the battlefield. During the battle of Badr, the Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) stood up all night in prayer seeking Allah's help in the battle between unequal armies that would follow the next day. In the decisive battles against the crusaders, Sultan Salauddin Ayyubi was busy day and night. His days were devoted to Jihad. His nights were spent making dua, crying seeking Allah's help. This has been the practice of all those who fight for His cause.
We should make it a point to make dua for all things big and small. It is the beginning of wisdom to realize that big and small are arbitrary labels that are totally irrelevant in this context. Nothing is too big for Whom we are asking from; nothing is too small for the one who is asking. That is why we have been taught to ask Allah when we need something as a destitute person, for that is what we in reality are in relationship to Allah. At the same time we should ask with great hope and conviction that we shall be granted our prayers. We should remember the Hadith: "There is nothing more dear to Allah than a servant making dua to Him." On the other hand, a prayer lacking concentration and conviction is no prayer at all.
We should make dua at all times, not only during times of distress. The Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) said: Whosoever desires that Allah answers his dua in unfavorable and difficult conditions, he should make plentiful dua in days of ease and comfort." Also he said: "The person who does not ask from Allah, Allah becomes angry with him.
We should ask for all of our needs: Those related to this world as well as those related to the Hereafter. Those who only concentrate on the former are, in effect, announcing that they don't care for their life in the permanent abode. They should blame nobody but themselves for the total ruin in that world that Quran assures us awaits them. Those who only concentrate on the later are also showing lack of balance, for we need Allah's help to lead a good life here as well.
We should make due not only for ourselves but also for our parents, brothers and sisters, spouses and children, relatives and friends, teachers and other benefactors, and destitute and struggling Muslims everywhere. We should pray for them for the good in this world as well as in the Hereafter. The Prophet (PBUH) said: "The dua of a Muslim for his brother (in Islam) in his absence is readily accepted. An angel is appointed to his side. Whenever he makes a beneficial dua for his brother the appointed angel says, "Aameen. And may you also be blessed with the same." (Sahih Muslim).
The dua can change our life, our outlook, and our fate. It is the most potent weapon. But it works only for those who try sincerely and seriously.
Dr. Khalid Baig is a California-based Muslim writer and thinker.
Najmi, make sure you henceforth say your Du'a - there is nothing like Namaz in the Quran !
zn
(Courtesy: The Muslim World League Journal)
Khalid Baig
The dua can change our life, our outlook, and our fate. It is the most potent weapon of a believer.
Once Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) passed by a people who were suffering from some affliction. "Why don't they make dua (pray) to Allah for protection," he said. With all the suffering and disasters Muslims are facing in various parts of the world, the question can be directed to all of us today.
It is not that we have forgotten dua completely; we refer to it regularly. But, our ideas and practice regarding dua have become distorted. Often it is reduced to the level of a ritual. Generally it is considered when all our efforts have failed – an act of last resort. It is belittled through actions and sometimes even with words. Is it any wonder that today mostly a mention of dua is meant to indicate the hopelessness of a situation.
What a tragedy, for dua is the most potent weapon of a believer. It can change fate, while no action of ours even can. It is the essence of ibadah or worship. With it we can never fail; without it we can never succeed. In the proper scheme of things, dua should be the first and the last resort of the believer, with all his plans and actions coming in between.
Dua is conversation with Allah, our Creator, our Lord and Master, the All Knowing, the All Powerful. This act in itself is of extraordinary significance. It is the most uplifting, liberating, empowering, and transforming conversation a person can ever have. We turn to Him because we know that He alone can lift our sufferings and solve our problems. We feel relieved after describing our difficulties to our Creator. We feel empowered after having communicated with the All Mighty. We sense His mercy all around us after talking to the Most Merciful. We get a new commitment to follow His path for that is the only path for success. We fell blessed with each such commitment.
In every difficulty our first action is dua, as it our last. We ask Allah to show us the way to handle that difficulty; we seek His help in following the path He shows to us; we seek His aid in making our efforts successful. When we fall sick, we know that we cannot find the right doctor may not be able to diagnose our condition without His Command; that the best treatment plan will not succeed without His Permission. We make dua for all of these. We make dua before we seek medical help, while we are receiving it and after it has been delivered. The same is true of all other difficulties we may encounter.
Dua is the essence of ibadah. A person engaged in dua affirms his belief in Tawheed (monotheism) and shuns belief in all false gods. With each dua his belief in Allah grows. He beseeches Him, affirming his own powerlessness. A person seriously and sincerely engaged in dua understands exactly the relationship between himself and the Creator and affirms it through his actions. That is the essence of worship! Additionally, such a person can never become arrogant or proud, a logical result of true worship.
Dua is conversation with Allah. It is the most uplifting, liberating, empowering, and transforming conversation a person can ever have.
Dua is our most potent weapon in all struggles of life as well as in jihad in the battlefield. During the battle of Badr, the Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) stood up all night in prayer seeking Allah's help in the battle between unequal armies that would follow the next day. In the decisive battles against the crusaders, Sultan Salauddin Ayyubi was busy day and night. His days were devoted to Jihad. His nights were spent making dua, crying seeking Allah's help. This has been the practice of all those who fight for His cause.
We should make it a point to make dua for all things big and small. It is the beginning of wisdom to realize that big and small are arbitrary labels that are totally irrelevant in this context. Nothing is too big for Whom we are asking from; nothing is too small for the one who is asking. That is why we have been taught to ask Allah when we need something as a destitute person, for that is what we in reality are in relationship to Allah. At the same time we should ask with great hope and conviction that we shall be granted our prayers. We should remember the Hadith: "There is nothing more dear to Allah than a servant making dua to Him." On the other hand, a prayer lacking concentration and conviction is no prayer at all.
We should make dua at all times, not only during times of distress. The Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) said: Whosoever desires that Allah answers his dua in unfavorable and difficult conditions, he should make plentiful dua in days of ease and comfort." Also he said: "The person who does not ask from Allah, Allah becomes angry with him.
We should ask for all of our needs: Those related to this world as well as those related to the Hereafter. Those who only concentrate on the former are, in effect, announcing that they don't care for their life in the permanent abode. They should blame nobody but themselves for the total ruin in that world that Quran assures us awaits them. Those who only concentrate on the later are also showing lack of balance, for we need Allah's help to lead a good life here as well.
We should make due not only for ourselves but also for our parents, brothers and sisters, spouses and children, relatives and friends, teachers and other benefactors, and destitute and struggling Muslims everywhere. We should pray for them for the good in this world as well as in the Hereafter. The Prophet (PBUH) said: "The dua of a Muslim for his brother (in Islam) in his absence is readily accepted. An angel is appointed to his side. Whenever he makes a beneficial dua for his brother the appointed angel says, "Aameen. And may you also be blessed with the same." (Sahih Muslim).
The dua can change our life, our outlook, and our fate. It is the most potent weapon. But it works only for those who try sincerely and seriously.
Dr. Khalid Baig is a California-based Muslim writer and thinker.
Najmi, make sure you henceforth say your Du'a - there is nothing like Namaz in the Quran !
zn
(Courtesy: The Muslim World League Journal)
Re: Who are bigger terrorists,The ones in Mumbai or Americans
Najmi, ofcourse we can understand your culture of friggin.....MF seems to have given you good training huh?....but then everyone is not MF....zn
Re: Who are bigger terrorists,The ones in Mumbai or Americans
There is nothing like "Dua" in the quran either. These are words chosen to convey the message of the quran and the sunnah of the prophet. The Ismailis have abolished "namaz" or "salah" as it was practiced by the prophet and have worshipped a fake Imam.
Re: Who are bigger terrorists,The ones in Mumbai or Americans
Najmi et al,
You are even unable to accept what your own scholars are saying ! you make me laugh hysterically indeed ! shows that now even your brains have become dysfunctional and retarded.....did I not say to you that you do not know the Quran? I did ! You think your scholar is not competent? is that what you are saying to us? and then you are boasting that people should even go to China to gain knowledge when you are unable to even gain knowledge from your own people....whom are you fooling? You read Maherally confabulations and then come here to bark and show us your ignorance......
Our Salaat is called "Du'a" which in Arabic means to Beg. We do not call it Namaz, the Persian word Namaz to us means "fire worshipping" and even the Quran makes no mention of "Namaz" but Salat.
Our Du'a or salat consists of Suras/Verses from the Qur'an and the Prophet's own prayer, followed by the prayer that Prophet S.A.W. offered personnally after his recitation of Salaat.
You are trying to still convince us that you follow the sunnah of the prophet - maybe supposedly ! not factually and you have failed to answer most of my questions raised...why? if truly you follow the sunnah of our Prophet then why the divergence if the Quran is just one and the Prophet is also one ? or is there inequality in islam where one is more equal than the other?
In the beginning there was no fixed time for prayer and no fixed prayer. During the first three years of his Naboowat the Holy Prophet prayed secretly. Then on the request of Zaid bin Arqum prayers were conducted in his house until in the sixth year, the Prophet's uncle Hazrat Hamzah and Umar embraced islam and when the numbers rose to fifty and they were strong enough to pray openly, they started prayers including in the kaaba.
Many Muslims according to Bukhari and Abu-Muslim prayed 50 times sometimes. According to Historians prayer was regulated in or around the 11th year of Naboowat when the Holy Prophet had "ascended" to Meraj....You have even not been able to explain to us what the prophet actually achieved during "Meraj".
Now let us look at what the HQ says: You will find that mention is made of the obligatory prayer "Sala" in chapter/verses 2:43,83,110,153,238,; 4: :102; 6:72; 10:87; 11:114; 14:33; 17:78; 20:14; 23:2,9; 24:36,56; 29:45; 30:31; 33:33; 58:13; 73:20; 87:15 and 98:5.
These verses clearly ordain the momineen to "aqeem us sala" i.e. to keep up the Prayer.
A scholarly study of the HQ will show that it does not make mention of Five Prayers to be performed Five times a day as a rule and Dr Jilani writes that the collection of Ahadith talks about Prayer and Remembrances but barely any talks about Five Prayers a day.
At other places in the HQ the believers are told to say "tasbeeh" (hymn)..."hamd" (praise)....."du'a (begging) and to do Zikr (remembrance) in the morning and in the evening and in the night.
In the following verses morning and evening times have been mentioned: 6:52; 7:205; 18:28; 24:36; 30:17; 33:42; 40:55; and 48:9.
And then the following verses contain THREE Times, morning, evening and the early hours of the night: : 11:114; 17:78; 20:130; 50:39,40; 52:48,49; 76:25,26 and at other places the Prophet has been ordered to make a Sajdah in the night...Read 76:26.
In addition Ismailis repeatedly have to submit to Allah S.W.T. every minute they have free time during the day. You will find this in Sura LXXIII 7-9: and this over and above the obligatory prayers ! So are you also doing the same? you should instead of boasting too much like an empty vessel.
"True there is for thee by day prolonged occupation with ordinary duties: But keep in remembrance The name of Thy Lord and devote thyself to Him wholeheartedly. He is the Lord of the East ad the West: there is no God but He: Take Him therefore for (thy) Disposer of Affairs."
For all Shias, Walaya of the Imam is a fundamental pillar and the Shias believe that without Walaya of the Imam all the other Pillars are incomplete.....in your case you are hung up on just Five and so you do not even have ADL as a Pillar.....you are unduly EXCLUDING ADL when the noble Quran of Allah is so explicitly clear about ADL in the lives of muslims and yet you reject all this that Allah has said and then claim that you follow the Quran and the Sunnah when everyone knows how Just and fair our Prophet was based on his life examples.......so how can you convince me that you follow his sunnah when you don't accept ADL which was prophet's great wisdom and asset?
Ismailis do not force people in matters of faith because it is between the individual and Allah S.W.T. We do not police anyone like you do ! each person is responsible for his or her own acts and obligations to God ! and there is no compulsion in faith and your mullahs need to respect and understand this tenet that "each to his own faith" is a better approach....so stop chasing your own tails !
We are respected and valued by people . We do not even encourage/coerce people to convert to ismailism - we do not need to - we are secure in our faith and very happy unlike you guys who manipulate and play tricks on the minds of the gullible, especially the women !
For e.g. on Friday you have two Adhans which was not a practice during the time of the Prophet but was introduced by Hazarat Uthman and to this day Sunni Muslims follow this, however, Ithanasheris and Bohoras do not have this additional adhan to their Friday prayers.
The Taraweeh prayers were mandated by Umar and not the Prophet S.A.W.
These are just the two examples .
I consider these as innovations or "Bida" I can cite many more examples if you like ! so first put your own house in order and don't worry about others as neither Allah nor the prophet has asked you and MF to act as their "Dais" or complete for them their religion.
Seek Knowledge ( Verily Allah created the Intellect (Akl) from a treasured Light, a Light concealed within HIS primordial Knowledge - HE then assigned to Intellect, Knowledge as its essence; cognition as its soul; abstemiousness as its head; modesty as its eye; wisdom as its tongue; kindliness as its purpose and mercy as its heart.....after this Allah - the exalted strengthened the Intellect with 10 qualities: certainty; faith; truthfulness; tranquility; sincerity; gentleness; benevolence; contentment; submission; and gratitude.
Then Allah - the Merciful and the Majestic said to the Intellect to "Retreat" and thereupon the Intellect retreated and then Allah said to it, "Come NIgh" and thereupon the Intellect drew near and then Allah said "Speak" ! and then the Intellect said " Praise belongs to Allah, the One who has neither a foe nor a rival; neither a likeness nor an equal; neither a tantamount nor a smilitude - the ONE before whose splendour every creature is SUBMISSIVE, HUMBLED !
So you will find the reflections of the above characteristics in Ismailism.....it is not the faith of External Forms and we do not have to look like a Muslim to be one......Intellect is a part of faith and not in conflict !
We believe that the:
Women's rights are equal to Men
We have to and it is our duty to :
Help the needy, orphans, women and children
Feed the hungry
Respect all faiths
Follow the Light ( Light upon Light) (Nooran Mubin)
Follow the Ulil amr.(Imams of the Ahl al Bayt from the pure progeny of the Prophet)
pursue Jihad to eradicate illness and illiteracy and poverty and bring unity amongst the humanity as Quran is a criterion for the entire mankind !
Now if you do not like what we do then tough ! we offer nobody any apologies - nor do we say follow us....Thank you !
zn
You are even unable to accept what your own scholars are saying ! you make me laugh hysterically indeed ! shows that now even your brains have become dysfunctional and retarded.....did I not say to you that you do not know the Quran? I did ! You think your scholar is not competent? is that what you are saying to us? and then you are boasting that people should even go to China to gain knowledge when you are unable to even gain knowledge from your own people....whom are you fooling? You read Maherally confabulations and then come here to bark and show us your ignorance......
Our Salaat is called "Du'a" which in Arabic means to Beg. We do not call it Namaz, the Persian word Namaz to us means "fire worshipping" and even the Quran makes no mention of "Namaz" but Salat.
Our Du'a or salat consists of Suras/Verses from the Qur'an and the Prophet's own prayer, followed by the prayer that Prophet S.A.W. offered personnally after his recitation of Salaat.
You are trying to still convince us that you follow the sunnah of the prophet - maybe supposedly ! not factually and you have failed to answer most of my questions raised...why? if truly you follow the sunnah of our Prophet then why the divergence if the Quran is just one and the Prophet is also one ? or is there inequality in islam where one is more equal than the other?
In the beginning there was no fixed time for prayer and no fixed prayer. During the first three years of his Naboowat the Holy Prophet prayed secretly. Then on the request of Zaid bin Arqum prayers were conducted in his house until in the sixth year, the Prophet's uncle Hazrat Hamzah and Umar embraced islam and when the numbers rose to fifty and they were strong enough to pray openly, they started prayers including in the kaaba.
Many Muslims according to Bukhari and Abu-Muslim prayed 50 times sometimes. According to Historians prayer was regulated in or around the 11th year of Naboowat when the Holy Prophet had "ascended" to Meraj....You have even not been able to explain to us what the prophet actually achieved during "Meraj".
Now let us look at what the HQ says: You will find that mention is made of the obligatory prayer "Sala" in chapter/verses 2:43,83,110,153,238,; 4: :102; 6:72; 10:87; 11:114; 14:33; 17:78; 20:14; 23:2,9; 24:36,56; 29:45; 30:31; 33:33; 58:13; 73:20; 87:15 and 98:5.
These verses clearly ordain the momineen to "aqeem us sala" i.e. to keep up the Prayer.
A scholarly study of the HQ will show that it does not make mention of Five Prayers to be performed Five times a day as a rule and Dr Jilani writes that the collection of Ahadith talks about Prayer and Remembrances but barely any talks about Five Prayers a day.
At other places in the HQ the believers are told to say "tasbeeh" (hymn)..."hamd" (praise)....."du'a (begging) and to do Zikr (remembrance) in the morning and in the evening and in the night.
In the following verses morning and evening times have been mentioned: 6:52; 7:205; 18:28; 24:36; 30:17; 33:42; 40:55; and 48:9.
And then the following verses contain THREE Times, morning, evening and the early hours of the night: : 11:114; 17:78; 20:130; 50:39,40; 52:48,49; 76:25,26 and at other places the Prophet has been ordered to make a Sajdah in the night...Read 76:26.
In addition Ismailis repeatedly have to submit to Allah S.W.T. every minute they have free time during the day. You will find this in Sura LXXIII 7-9: and this over and above the obligatory prayers ! So are you also doing the same? you should instead of boasting too much like an empty vessel.
"True there is for thee by day prolonged occupation with ordinary duties: But keep in remembrance The name of Thy Lord and devote thyself to Him wholeheartedly. He is the Lord of the East ad the West: there is no God but He: Take Him therefore for (thy) Disposer of Affairs."
For all Shias, Walaya of the Imam is a fundamental pillar and the Shias believe that without Walaya of the Imam all the other Pillars are incomplete.....in your case you are hung up on just Five and so you do not even have ADL as a Pillar.....you are unduly EXCLUDING ADL when the noble Quran of Allah is so explicitly clear about ADL in the lives of muslims and yet you reject all this that Allah has said and then claim that you follow the Quran and the Sunnah when everyone knows how Just and fair our Prophet was based on his life examples.......so how can you convince me that you follow his sunnah when you don't accept ADL which was prophet's great wisdom and asset?
Ismailis do not force people in matters of faith because it is between the individual and Allah S.W.T. We do not police anyone like you do ! each person is responsible for his or her own acts and obligations to God ! and there is no compulsion in faith and your mullahs need to respect and understand this tenet that "each to his own faith" is a better approach....so stop chasing your own tails !
We are respected and valued by people . We do not even encourage/coerce people to convert to ismailism - we do not need to - we are secure in our faith and very happy unlike you guys who manipulate and play tricks on the minds of the gullible, especially the women !
For e.g. on Friday you have two Adhans which was not a practice during the time of the Prophet but was introduced by Hazarat Uthman and to this day Sunni Muslims follow this, however, Ithanasheris and Bohoras do not have this additional adhan to their Friday prayers.
The Taraweeh prayers were mandated by Umar and not the Prophet S.A.W.
These are just the two examples .
I consider these as innovations or "Bida" I can cite many more examples if you like ! so first put your own house in order and don't worry about others as neither Allah nor the prophet has asked you and MF to act as their "Dais" or complete for them their religion.
Seek Knowledge ( Verily Allah created the Intellect (Akl) from a treasured Light, a Light concealed within HIS primordial Knowledge - HE then assigned to Intellect, Knowledge as its essence; cognition as its soul; abstemiousness as its head; modesty as its eye; wisdom as its tongue; kindliness as its purpose and mercy as its heart.....after this Allah - the exalted strengthened the Intellect with 10 qualities: certainty; faith; truthfulness; tranquility; sincerity; gentleness; benevolence; contentment; submission; and gratitude.
Then Allah - the Merciful and the Majestic said to the Intellect to "Retreat" and thereupon the Intellect retreated and then Allah said to it, "Come NIgh" and thereupon the Intellect drew near and then Allah said "Speak" ! and then the Intellect said " Praise belongs to Allah, the One who has neither a foe nor a rival; neither a likeness nor an equal; neither a tantamount nor a smilitude - the ONE before whose splendour every creature is SUBMISSIVE, HUMBLED !
So you will find the reflections of the above characteristics in Ismailism.....it is not the faith of External Forms and we do not have to look like a Muslim to be one......Intellect is a part of faith and not in conflict !
We believe that the:
Women's rights are equal to Men
We have to and it is our duty to :
Help the needy, orphans, women and children
Feed the hungry
Respect all faiths
Follow the Light ( Light upon Light) (Nooran Mubin)
Follow the Ulil amr.(Imams of the Ahl al Bayt from the pure progeny of the Prophet)
pursue Jihad to eradicate illness and illiteracy and poverty and bring unity amongst the humanity as Quran is a criterion for the entire mankind !
Now if you do not like what we do then tough ! we offer nobody any apologies - nor do we say follow us....Thank you !
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Re: Who are bigger terrorists,The ones in Mumbai or Americans
That shows that Ismailis are ignorant about not just english but persian as well.the Persian word Namaz to us means "fire worshipping"
So you offer dua that prophet offered after his salaat, as your salaat? So you skipped the prophet's salaat and converted his dua to your salaat? Now that is the true example of innovation or Bida.Our Du'a or salat consists of Suras/Verses from the Qur'an and the Prophet's own prayer, followed by the prayer that Prophet S.A.W. offered personnally after his recitation of Salaat.
Taraweeh prayers are not mandatory and they were not mandated by Hazrat Umar. They are the same as Qiyamul Layl practiced regularly by the prophet. Ismailis have abandoned all practices of the prophet as they are munafiqs.The Taraweeh prayers were mandated by Umar and not the Prophet S.A.W.
That would disqualify you.A scholarly study of the HQ
All shias, including bohras, except the Ismailis pray salaah with some differences. The Ismailis do not pray salaat. They have abandoned the most important sunnah of the prophet and command of Allah. They have even rejected the quran of Allah.
Re: Who are bigger terrorists,The ones in Mumbai or Americans
Really ? we are not only Persians but also much more ! so you are unable to deny you are "fire worshippers" and following the sunnah of the persians and the Zorastrians mixed in a mumbo jumbo with Umar's sunnah....right?
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Re: Who are bigger terrorists,The ones in Mumbai or Americans
Hey Anajmi,anajmi wrote:There is nothing like "Dua" in the quran either. These are words chosen to convey the message of the quran and the sunnah of the prophet. The Ismailis have abolished "namaz" or "salah" as it was practiced by the prophet and have worshipped a fake Imam.
Could you do me a favor and quickly look up the meaning of the arabic word "salaah". Let me know what you find. I have to respond to an idiot and can't seem to find it anywhere.
Thanks.
Pardesi.
Re: Who are bigger terrorists,The ones in Mumbai or Americans
Najmi,
I know you are retarded and bankrupt just like MF....what it shows we actually follow the Quran and the Sunnah (traditions) unlike you jahaliyyas who follow deviations and then give us all the lie of the land that you follow the Quran and the Sunnah....does the Quran prescribe what prayers to recite and not recite? so how can you talk like an imbecile?...if the prophet prayed to Allah and we use the same prayers instead of using what Umar says, then who is the better from the two?..zn
I know you are retarded and bankrupt just like MF....what it shows we actually follow the Quran and the Sunnah (traditions) unlike you jahaliyyas who follow deviations and then give us all the lie of the land that you follow the Quran and the Sunnah....does the Quran prescribe what prayers to recite and not recite? so how can you talk like an imbecile?...if the prophet prayed to Allah and we use the same prayers instead of using what Umar says, then who is the better from the two?..zn
Re: Who are bigger terrorists,The ones in Mumbai or Americans
Whether Taraweeh prayers are mandatory or not is not the argument....when we follow the prophet's prayer you are saying it is "Bida" , ignorant that you are....but when it is Umar's prayer or innovation you want to convince us it is legitimate because he is your great innovator !...huh?....don't make a fool of yourself !
Infact three things current in the time of the prophet were prohibited by Umar, namely temporary marriage; marriage during hajj and the exhortation "hayya ala khayri 'l amal" and it is starneg that upto now two of these three is still being followed by you and yet you claim you follow the prophet?....so give the lie of the land to someone else pal...zn
Infact three things current in the time of the prophet were prohibited by Umar, namely temporary marriage; marriage during hajj and the exhortation "hayya ala khayri 'l amal" and it is starneg that upto now two of these three is still being followed by you and yet you claim you follow the prophet?....so give the lie of the land to someone else pal...zn
Re: Who are bigger terrorists,The ones in Mumbai or Americans
Najmi,
It would not diaqualify me or us but those who don't have the Quran but lie and boast they have when what they have is what Umar prepared for them thinking he was the next prophet of Allah...zn
It would not diaqualify me or us but those who don't have the Quran but lie and boast they have when what they have is what Umar prepared for them thinking he was the next prophet of Allah...zn
Re: Who are bigger terrorists,The ones in Mumbai or Americans
pardesi,
I found the meaning of the word salah. It means the way the prophet (saw) used to pray 5 times a day at set times. The morning salaah is known as Fajr, the afternoon one as zuhr, the late afternoon one as asr, the evening salaah is maghrib and the night salaah is Eisha. There are more details. You want them too? Like the actual act, what to recite in each rakat, how many rakats in each salaah etc etc. That is all a part of the meaning of the word salaah in the quran. Responding to idiots is always fun.
I found the meaning of the word salah. It means the way the prophet (saw) used to pray 5 times a day at set times. The morning salaah is known as Fajr, the afternoon one as zuhr, the late afternoon one as asr, the evening salaah is maghrib and the night salaah is Eisha. There are more details. You want them too? Like the actual act, what to recite in each rakat, how many rakats in each salaah etc etc. That is all a part of the meaning of the word salaah in the quran. Responding to idiots is always fun.