Dawoodi Bohra Forum

The innovations and centrifugal status of Syedna has certainly taken the form of a cult and every day the bohris are going farther from the true path of Islam.

This Ramadan was not new and the occasion was used to glorify Syedna to the farthest extent possible. He is not at all treated as ordinary human being and is given equal if not greater weight that was reserved for Imams and Nauzo billah, Allah Subahanahu.
Whatever attributes were attached to them, whatever good deeds they did, whatever sayings they stated are straight away parralleled with this Syedna. Eg. Maulana Ali used to call the mumineen for Iftaar in Ramadan from his own income and the same is now said to be done by Syedna who invites the bohris on 20th of Ramadan every year (this started from past 3 years).

It is common practice of majority of the bohris to stand with hands folded whenever he appears on the screen. Many of them believe that it is important to pray behind him even that wud mean praying without wudhu. The last time, when he was to arrive for a reception, bohris were kept waiting for hours and when the zuhr time was to elapse, they announced that waiting for the deedar of Syedna is equivalent to prayer and no need to worry for namaz timing.

It is often repeated that there is a Allah for land and Allah of Skies.. It is common belief that he will come into Mumin's grave and give him the blessing and take him to Jannat, the claim he openly puts forth.. There is now absolutely no doubt in the minds of a bohri that there is even a slight chance of him going to Jahanam at all. Nor do they harbor any doubt that he will ever die.


The innovations we have seen in our life times continue to increase. A few examples:

a. doing matam after every Farad - it has now become a part of Namaz
b. doing iftaar only with Khak e Shifa - if not done, the fast is not considered complete
c. reciting the Munajat said to be written by Syedna in between the prayers
d. spending a greater part of the Lailatul Qadr in hearing his bayan and Matam

Someone was saying that all of these rituals are being increasingly done to hide the internal wranglings.

The guy is frail and hardly remembers anything except reading from the pages written by others. The last night, he was taking the niat of Istiftah namaz when that was already over - someone told him "Thai Gai"..


regards

you sound as if you never forget things in your life,Maula is human too...a special human....

The knowledge that he has is a million times greater than what you have,anyone wise enuff will surely follow him than you..

Nice post Hussain bhai,

Ramadan Mubarak.

aftabm wrote:The guy is frail and hardly remembers anything except reading from the pages written by others. The last night, he was taking the niat of Istiftah namaz when that was already over - someone told him "Thai Gai"..
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ohh that's something intersting!!! I really did not notice that.


Hi guys!! I am Idris Murgha from Dahod-Gujarat, Now residing in Kuwait..
any broadminded / educated folks in Khaitan-Kuwait can contact me

hussain bhai!!
Only things that sells among bohri bhai is maula and imam hussein...
i do remmeber the laitul qadr about ten years a go would be be very different...we would pray all nite..different salaaams(valeden ,farzand etc maa haq maa dua)now all that is over,one hour is spend on teh munaajaat and its tranlation and then again munajaat by taher saifuddin maula...the guy who comes to teach quran says maula farmave che quran maa kahnoo sawaab che....man wht about prohet mohammed!! where is the poor guy gone??and i heard from my cosuin in middle east there is a deadly invovation to make money.''after laitul qadr it was announced that mumineen should thank maula for the relay,for which jamaat has arranged for fax,until here it is fine sounds good and should be done,but here is the catch..each family registers will have to pay INR140.00(EQUIVALENT)this is loot man the entire fax will not cost more than INR 10.00,its seems at atleast 300ppl registered on the first day!this is exploitation in the name of maula and saddest part here is malua doesnt know anything,btween munimmen and maulaa there is a gang which only has lust for wealth and i bet will ensure that maulaa lives long so that they can make maximum out of him!

Yes I do forget. I am a human being. I am neither God on earth (Ilah al Ardh) nor a haqiqi kaba or natiq quran.

Ammar, I don't know if you ever met Syedna Burhanuddin Saheb in a close sitting. Forgetting is something which everyone does and specially with the growing age its most common. I am sorry to state that there are number of instances when Syedna could not reply the quarries due to lack of knowledge as per my understanding.( or may be it was taquiya or chakkar of taweel) for example in Hydrabad, during his visit when a leading Muslim Leader Mr. Alam Khan asked Syedna sahib about the verse (و أعتصموا بحبل الله و تفرقوا) ) he could not understand the question at first and replied some irrelevant things. This is matter of knowledge.

I would like to quote what Mr. Saifuddin Insaf has written in another thread for your information.

"In 1960 my friend Asghar Anees from Nagpur, did his BE mechanical with honour from the most prestigious technical institute VJTI in Bombay. I also did my mechanical and production engineering courses from the same institute and got a job in Godrej and Boyce Co. immediately. But Asghar Anees could not get any job for one year and since he had no accommodation facility in Bombay he again did his BE electrical with honour in order to get an accommodation in the institution's hostel. But no luck. So his uncle (phoopa) took him to Sayedna Burhanuddin Saheb for his blessings. I accompanied them. When we met the Sayedna Burhanuddin Saheb, he asked Anees, "Tame shoo talim leedhee che?" (What course you have done?). Anees said "mae Engineering ma BE kari che"(I have done BE in engineering). Then to our surprise the Sayedna asked him "Tame BA karyoo che ke nahin? (Have you done BA or not?) Anees explained about the Engineering and Arts courses but the Sayedna insisted "Tame pehla BA kari loo. phachee maari dua thi ghani taraqqi karsho. (You first complete your BA and with my blessings you will greatly progress in life.) Which clearly indicated that the Sayedna Burhanuddin Saheb had no knowledge of any other subjects, except BA."

I do respect Syedna Sahib as a religious head but I am totally against human worship or shirk.

Brother Aftabm

Thanks and Ramadan Mubarak to you too.

Brother Idris Murgha

Welcome to the Board.

Hussain Bhai. Syedna saheb has abetted completely in creating a cult in his own name. He has time and again sided with his family and extended family to benefit from such cultish organization. He knows that what is said in his name if not altogether untrue is half baked truth.
Syedna saheb has not instructed his family members or his sons to help poor bohras, but he has read written statment about wajebat and justified its collection without any shariat citation. Last year he said, that if you ask the measurment, ( paimano soon che, je dai kahe) whatever dai say. So it is clear that wajebat are no longer a sharaee or islamic injunction but syedan saheb's farman.
Seldom have I heard syedna saheb preaching about humanity or philanthropy. I have not heard him say that be good to your families, your kith and kin, help your brother and sister or help your fellow bohras. Lately his written waaz is rhetorical repetance of either his own prasie or imam hussain's shahadat.
Whatever you guys ammar and mutmaeen and likes say, in your heart and subconcious you know that god is lone, he is up there watching, nobody was, is and will be God. And ones who so claim are biggest liars.

ammar wrote:Maula is human too...a special human....

We thought that the faith of abde syednas like you is that he is Haqiqi Kaaba, he is infallable and God on earth. Even if he is not so and is a SPECIAL HUMAN as you claim then it is more reason for him not to forget things.

ammar wrote:The knowledge that he has is a million times greater than what you have,anyone wise enuff will surely follow him than you..

As for his knowledge it has been proved a number of times how (un)knowledgeable he is. And how (un)wise, foolish and gullible are his followers who take all his atrocities and extortions on their strides is for the whole world to see.

Dear guys I know this is an innovation by Kothar but since it is ramazan we need to provide honest criticism (and those who know me, know that I would not hold back)

a. doing matam after every Farad - it has now become a part of Namaz

Namaz ends when the Imam does the Salaam any thing after that is considered extra and not obligatory...I have not seen it mandated but is a practise that people follow just as part of a mob or gets introduced at madrassas.

Matam is either in or out thereafter when it is appropriate is really a custom issue. I personally do not agree with matam as being the only way to reflect on the grief and sadness of Islam's great martyrs. Yes I also do so when in congregation but are my actions haram ? I do not think so because in my daily life I do many things such as stand at attention when the national anthem is played.

b. doing iftaar only with Khak e Shifa - if not done, the fast is not considered complete

Again I do not see the importance or compulsion in this case however it is not wrong to use soil from karbala, dates or salt. What to be questioned is how long can one extend the fasting period after sunset and whether we are at breach by performing unnecessary rituals that contradicts the Rozas regulations. ARe we emphasizing a non obligatory action that invalidates an obligatory action ?

c. reciting the Munajat said to be written by Syedna in between the prayers

What is recited in between the 5 farizat prayers is permitted. As long as the munajaat literally is worshipping Allah. I do not have the full translation.

d. spending a greater part of the Lailatul Qadr in hearing his bayan and Matam

Again during Lailatul Qadr there is no prescriptive namaz as long as one is submitting to Allah, reading Quran. The Bohra fundamental theology already places emissaries and Imams between Allah and oneself hence unless those fundamentals are to change then it is difficult to criticize who and how they use their many emissary to channel the communication to Allah. Bohras already accept through misaq that Sayedna is Allahs representative and hence they are rightfully using the representative.

Modern day Bohrasim is a cult but one is either in it or out of it, once in it then the ongoing innovations are part and parcel and they have a strong conviction that their chosen emissary will protect them hereafter.

Hussain_KSA wrote:Brother Aftabm

Thanks and Ramadan Mubarak to you too.

Brother Idris Murgha

Welcome to the Board.

Shukran Jazilan

Idris T M