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I have been an infrequent visitor to this site and a true believer of all the tenets and beliefs of the dawoodi bohra doctrine but am appalled at the low levels our commuinty has fallen , due to some greedy and corrupt dawaat functionaries
The community in Mississisauga continues to be hararssed by the arrogant and abusive Amil . This goonda has created his own mafia empire alongwith with a few equally corrupt jamaat members and is busy exhorting and threatening all who do not obey his farmaans,
This year during wajeebaat collections he levied additonal taxes , like each family that does not do jamaan have to pay $ 252 / to the jammat since they have been eating there for 30 days free of cost ,this despite the fact that each night the jamaan was sponsored by some one . This money must have gone directly to his bank acconut Those who refused to pay up were threatened , that their wajeebaat cheques would not be not be taken and all razaa withdrawn.
Additonally he has threatened all parents with children above 18 years of age to regsiter them with Tehsir Un Nikah Committe and if they fail to do so no razaa for any occassion will be given .
There a plans to construct what they claim to be the finest masjid in North America here and is exhorting a minimum of $ 21,000 from each family , failure to comply will once again be withdrwaal of all razaa .
In a way he is abetting the reformist cause by making more people turn away from the dawaat and Aqua Moula, Already there are deep rumblings and resentment towards him and his hand picked chamchas by more than 90% of the community few have openly voiced their oppositon to him, it is just a matter of tiem before somebody approaches the Canadian authorities to have a full audit of the jamaat done and request cancellation of his visa as he is here on a religious minister's work visa and has no right to haraass Canadian Citizes and indulge in illegal funds collection

Brother,
why have you or anyone not gone to the Canadian authorities living there. I know for a fact that if you approach the govt, this amil is going to get his ass kicked and possibly not just his visa terminated but some legal action as well. The govt is very particular about such harassments and even if a handful of people approach the authorities, im sure its going to work.
There cannot be a backlash towards you from these guys as they probably know they cannot influence the govt especially in Canada and therefore if they further harass you they only are going to get into more trouble.

Best wishes

Assalam Aleykum,

Like brother Harrased, I too am an infrequent visitor to this forum. Whatever you all may say, I love my community and I have love for my Dai. My faith in Aqa Moula remains strong. Maybe shaken, but still strong. However, I cannot sit back and watch the injust and unfair practices of the local Amil. I am angry at myself because I let him bully me too this Ramadan. I complained, but I paid up when I was asked to pay. I was disgusted but I sat through his ridiculous bayaans. I went home and fumed about the things I had witnessed that day at the markaz, but I did nothing about it.

I cannot do nothing any more.

Please view the website http://www.frustratedmumineen.webs.com.

It is high time this arrogant Amil, who has been sent here to SERVE Mumineen, is stopped. We always complain, yet we do nothing. Mumineen of Mississauga, enough is enough. Either stand up and refuse to let a bully walk all over you or else meekly follow his personal farmans and stop complaining behind his back. You cannot suck and blow at the same time.

I agree with what Brother TBG has suggested that someone should go to the Canadian authorities. That can be done. But what will be achieve. This Amil will be sent back to India and another one, possibly worse, will come to take his place.

What would be much more effective would be for the Mumineen of Mississauga to stand up as one and to refuse to do what this Amil is demanding from them. What is he going to do? Throw the whole jamaat out? One Mumin he can bully, but a whole Jamaat, he will not be able to.

Wassalam.

FM...the Amil is as strong as the chamchas around him who seat daily in his thaal , insulate him from reality and do so much tasleem that he feels he can do anything.

Remember this is is a typical Gujju if encountered on his own will run freak out and probably die of fear ! Your way forward is to make his thaal members weak and confused so they give him a reality check that he is not in a Mohalla of Mombasa, Mumbai or Karachi where he can shout down and treat the community as subjects but a civilised environment where there are strong democratic rights.

AoA,

I just read this in another discussion:

Yes in Canada the person can contact Council on American Islamic Relation and they will take his case of Social Discrimination.
Announcing and humiliating people on the basis of their belief is a serious matter and in USA and Canada they will be consequences for the Aamils.

The point is not that if one will go another one will come. Even if another one comes and starts doing the same thing, we have to do the same. If they are persistent then why cannot we be consistent. We are looking at providing relief and benefit to so many people. Plus in anycase once the authorities are involved they will think twice about bugging people knowing what this would lead too. Even the so called chamchas will think about their position.
There is a law and order system, we have to raise our voice where we know it will be listened.

Oh how I miss the days when people like myself had the balls to show the finger to the Amil instead of complaining all the time.

oh people! stop wining and do something..If you dont have the guts to tackle head on..then what's the point of complaining behind his back. Just shut up and and beg Amil to show some mercy. I am sorry but this is the only community who takes sh... and crap from authorities and still continues to sing songs of praises. Like Iqbal (poet) said and translation...God will not help those who cannot help themselves.

Bros and Sis

There are some signs of rebellion in Canada. There is a jamat in Missussauga near Toronto, people have atleast started to voice their concerns ........... any sign of dissent is a very welcome sign.

Pls visit the following site.

http://frustratedmumineen.webs.com/

and you will realize it.

What rebellion? before you know the flag bearers of this rebellion will realise that there is no one following behind them if they look behind and tehy will be the sacrificial lambs. I have been there. All of these guys who say "Lets do it" will be the first ones doing Mafi under duress and fear of the Kothar - no mishaq, no wedding no burial. So be very sure who your friends are. We adults are slaves but our children will change us. I am so glad that I live in North America and my children have shown me what a hypocrite I have been all these years. They show me the light not Moula. Islam is a simple religion and there is no compulsion. If you want to stay in the cult you will have to lick arse because your fears are internal. Understand you do not need these guys. Read your Koran, say your prayers at home and mind your own business and enjoy the wider community around you - they have a lot to offer and can teach you a great deal about what human values are. But if you want to go there and be with them and eat the "good food" you are a prisoner. Take off your chains and lynch these extortionists. Above all educate your children especially your daughters and create intellectual space in your house rather than reciting the same all crap - ya shaidus shodai, stupid self praise munajaats etc. of himself and his father. What is the difference between us and those who follow the Maharishi? Good luck.

mississauga amil is an ignorant man. As I have said before he is from a small village in india, he has no idea what an urban civilized city is. I have raised my voice and very loud against his actions. I even told him and his secretary that they are a buch of hooligans need to be tamed. I am thinking of complaining to government to revoke his extension in visa. But I need two three signatures beside me, if you want send me a private message.

Brother Broadminded,

I think you have missed the whole point of tis discussion.

The Jamaat in Mississauga has stopped whining and complaining behind the Amil's back and have started standing up to him. When he publicly announced the names of those who had not paid wajebaat, mumineen prepared a petition, which several mumineen openly and without fear, signed.

You should be encouraging these mumineen. May Allah give them the strength to continue with their "rebellion"

Wasalaam.

Brother Accountability,

You do not need the 2 or 3 signatures besides yours to be able to complain to the authorities. Like you, I too waited for my friends to support me. Everyone talks big, but when the time for action comes up, they take a step back. If you are serious about taking action, stop talking and do it.

I got tired of waiting, so I have taken action on my own.

On Friday, I have sent letters to the Charities Directorate of the Canada Revenue Agency. I have written to Bonnie Crombie, the Federal MP for Mississauga Streetsville and to Harinder Takhar, the Provincial MP.

I also intend to write to Jason Kenney, the Federal Minister of Immigration and Citizenship and to Hazel McCallion, the Mayor of Mississauga.

I believe it would be much for effective if all these politicians receive several letters from different individuals, rather than one letter signed by 2 or 3. Think about it. If I have complained and 2 days later they also get another complaint from another individual and then yet another, chances are that they will pay more attention to that complaint.

If you need assistance to locate the contacts of all these politicians, I will be happy to assist.

Wasalaam.

I have already sent letter to ministry of immigration, but I had talked to my MP and she said if I could get a letter signed by no of individuals, so that she could refer it to ministry of immigration for revoking Amil's visa renewal. I agree with you, that people are cowered down and no body does any thing, and it is high time that some one take real concrete step. I shall let her know that you have also sent letter to minister of immigration.

Good Job FM Bhai...how about involving the Toronto police chief Mr. Blair (google his address and full name) on account of Amil's various threats, violation and invading of privacy and subsequent blackmail (Use of camera for observation). I wish all the best in your endeavours to put this shaitan in his place. Let there be a precedence set for future Amils to treat people with dignity and respect.

Brothers,

it is heartening to see that there is action. It truly reflects the essence of " Action not debate" and i wish you all the best for your efforts. May Allah(swt)pass on the reward of these actions to you. InshAllah this will benefit many people living there.

Kind Regards

Jazakallah Brothers FM and Accounatblity , wish you guys all the best and hope you are successful in your endeavours to have this this tyrant Amil deported. You have the backing of almost the enitre jamaat and if a clandestine referendum is taken on whether this tyrant desrves to be sent back , there will be an overwhelming response in the affrimative. The porblem is that most of the people here in our jamaat ,as our brethren elsewhere , are afraid to come out openly in defiance mainly due to repercussions from these goons ,but all it takes is a few brave individuals like you brothers to take the initiative and the others to follow ,and a few more of fools like Ali Akbar Attar to insitigate an otherwise peaceflul and tolerant lot to raise their vocies and approach the relevant authorities for assistance

It will be more effective if all board members take a proactive effort and report the fraudulent activities of the Kothar and mullas to the Internal Revenue Service and Department of Homeland Security, or U.S. Immigration & Customs Enforcement. I urge not only U.S. residents, but members all over the world including Canada, Pakistan, and India. Remember all information is kept anonymous and you may be entitled to an award from the U.S. government.

I believe the collective actions of individuals on this message board will make a significant impact and allow justice to prevail on the Kothari regime.

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Brother Zulfiqar on a different thread had said

"as for reporting this lowlife, call up the immigration hotline, which lets u remain anonymous, and report him for abusing his duties towards community members. he is here on a religious worker's visa, and if they receive many complaints he will be deported. this has happened with the sikh community here and one of their priests was deported 2 years back.:"

Brother Zulfikar or anybody ,can you please post the immigration hotline number so that we can start calling in and get him deported as ]the sikhs managed to do here.

Accountability, real proud of you, brother, keep it up. In our small jamat in the southern u.s.one brother was constantly harrassed by the secretary questioning him as to why he was in riba (although the general secretary and the treasurer are in riba themselves) the mumineen could not tolerate this hypocrisy on the part of the secretary and treasurer and a fist fight was the result. Sometimes such drastic actions have to be taken . In karachi , mullahs were known to play with children in the madrasahs; many have been beaten up and disgraced.

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ANJUMAN - E - BURHANI (TORONTO)

BN/Registration Number: 861327005RR0001
Charity Status: Revoked
Effective Date of Status: 2009-03-14
Charity State: N/A
Language of Correspondence: English
Designation Description: Charitable Organization
Charity Type: Religion
Category: Islamic Religious Groups
Address: 8929 BAYVIEW AVE
City: RICHMOND HILL
Province/State: ONTARIO
Country: CA
Postal Code/Zip Code: L4B3M6
Charity Email Address: N/A
Charity Web site Address: N/A

Revocation:
Type of Revocation: Revocation for Failure to File

To view the Returns filed by Mississauga Jamaat, go to http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/tx/chrts/menu-eng.html. Search for ANJUMAN-E-FAKHRI under Charity Name.

Interesting to note - Anjuman-e-Fakhri declared 1 permanent, full-time position for which the annual compensation was $119,999 and over. Is that how much the Arrogant Amil of Mississauga is earning????
Anjuman-e-Fakhri declared a "gift" to Anjuman-e-Burhani(Toronto) in the amount of $34,344.00. What was this "gift" for????

FM this is not the first time that toronot jamaat registration is cancelled, way back in 2005 anjumane najmi was revoked then they formed anjumane burhani. mississauga jamaat is being investigated by revenue canada, they soon will have their accounts audited.

I dont think the Amil gets it, that he is in criminal breach of revenue canada regulation. if some one presses on he may be indicted on perjury charges, lying on return forms.

Brother Accountability:

The Charity Status for Anjuman-e-Najmi was Voluntarily Revoked.

ANJUMANE NAJMI

BN/Registration Number: 118787365RR0001
Charity Status: Revoked
Effective Date of Status: 2008-03-08
Charity State: N/A
Language of Correspondence: English
Designation Description: Charitable Organization
Charity Type: Religion
Category: Other Denominations' Congregations or Parishes, (not else classified)
Address: 8929 BAYVIEW AVENUE
City: RICHMOND HILL
Province/State: ONTARIO
Country: CA
Postal Code/Zip Code: L4B3M6
Charity Email Address: N/A
Charity Web site Address: N/A

Revocation:
Type of Revocation: Voluntary Revocation

How many members of the Toronto jamaat are aware that the charity status of Anjuman-e-Burahani has been revoked and their "donations" will not be eligible for tax deduction. Has the amaat does not disclose this to the mumineen? Will the jamaat issue tax receipts next year? Can a accountant/lawyer please explain whether mumineen who claim tax deductions will open themselves up to audits by CRA.

As for the Mississauga jamaat, where did you get your information that

Accountability wrote:mississauga jamaat is being investigated by revenue canada, they soon will have their accounts audited.

..... Please elaborate.

BTW...Does anyone know who the auditor for Mississauga jamaat is???

my accountant told me that , he is accountant for lot of charities including some muslim ones. Anjumane najmi status was voluntarily revoked due to technical reasons, in anjumane burhani they tried to correct those technical reasons.

It is an open secret that all our jamaat books are cooked. if you go through the nomencalture of the acitivities you will find out. All accounts are submitted on cooked up data.

they talk about intrest and riba, shariat and what not. At the end of the day they indulge in worse than a common person do. Take amil's example, he is the representative of dawat, he should exhibit examplery cahracter and should be honest and forthright. He earns all from salam and every thing. But he does not disclose it to revenue canada. According to his visa term he shall have to declare all gifts ( in kind and money ) to revenue canada. So he is stealing tax, is it permissible in shariat. But he enjoys all the facilties that our tax dollars provide for. He is using our infrastructure, our facities funded by our money.

So he is stealing tax, is it permissible in shariat.

Br. A/C: Not to offend you in any way but what is shariat as per bohras? What is it that our religious clergy is doing as per shariat? The answer is "NOTHING". The bottom line is all of us know deep down in our hearts (this includes the typical orthos as well) that nothing is done in our community as per shariat. Whenever I meet some muslim, I get to hear this "Oh you are a bohri?" which essentially means that you are not a muslim, you are a bohri which is different from being a muslim. Honestly, I think muslims don't even consider us as muslims. And if we are not muslims then why do we need to follow the shariat of Islam?

Brother arif, you are right. it is just a show. and all times are show time.

I work for a not-for-profit organization in Toronto and know for fact that to keep a charitable registration # with Revenue Canada, an organziation needs to declare if funds are being used locally. Neither of the Jamaat have done anything for general upliftment. Both are busy providing jamans and bohras have no problem as long as food is being served. Sorry state of affairs!

this is what i am saying, they make up stories and reciepts. I have seen their returns, i requested a copy from revenue canada and it was all fabricated.

brother FM wrote BTW...Does anyone know who the auditor for Mississauga jamaat is???

they dont provide audited accounts. it is not mandatory for charitable organizations to provide audited accounts. they may be audited by government. they have to preserve their record for 7 years.