Dawoodi Bohra Forum

We have heard, read, discussed, criticized millions of times that bohra belief in their Dai leading them to heaven is a fake publicity stunt. Whenever others say that this is not true the faithful bohras curse them and tell them that they will burn in hell. Allah also tried by giving various signs to bohras, but could not convince them about the fake motives of syedna. He finally decided to do something else.

Let's look at it from a lighter angle.

One fine day Allah decided that he will allow Syedna to lead his faithful slaves (abde-syednas) wherever he goes. He even gave a sign that can be used as proof to convince everyone that this farmaan has come from Allah (not that faithful servants need one but just in case). Due to this sign even the non-believers in syedna started believing in him. Kothar started using this as a biggest trump card to increase their loot by selling heaven to the highest bidder. This news became world famous and many rich and famous billionares including Bill Gates and Warren Buffet became staunch followers of Syedna. In next five years Syedna became the richest man on planet earth his net worth being more than that of Bill Gates and Warren Buffet combined. Being a mortal inspite of having special powers, Syedna passed away after few years. Somewhere in 2030 one of the most loyal followers of Syedna suffered from a severe illness and passed away. While dying he was very happy thinking that now he will go to Jannat since, Syedna had promised him heaven, when he had donated 10 crores to Kothar and Syedna for kher naa kaam. After the end of his earthly journey, he began his trip to heaven, expecting syedna to be waiting at the pearly gates to welcome him. On, reaching his destination he did really saw syedna waiting for him. However, he was surprised to see him in tathered clothes, long unmanaged beard, tired and hungry. The loyal slave politely did tasneem, kadam bosi, salaam and asked, "Moula aa su haal banaawi rakho che, kai letaa kem nathi". Moula smiled at him and told him. "Mhaara pyaara farzand shiekh Mustafa bhai, welcome to hell". Mustafa bhai peed in his pants and started crying. He started complaining to Allah that he has cheated him of his rightful place in Jannat along with his master syedna. Allah listened to him calmly and than told him that he will ask him a few questions to clarify his doubts. Mustafa bhai agreed..

Allah: What did my sign say?
Mustafa: Anyone who will follow syedna blindly in his/her earthly life will also get an opportunity to follow him wherever he goes in his after life.
Allah: Huh. There you go Mustafa. Mustafa, your time is up. Syedna, please take this new comer to your camp in hell.

Moral of the story: Please follow Allah as he is the only one who can give you a place in heaven.

Sprite buzhaye pyaas baaki sab bakwaas

Aarif wrote:Allah: What did my sign say?
Mustafa: Anyone who will follow syedna blindly in his/her earthly life will also get an opportunity to follow him wherever he goes in his after life.
Allah: Huh. There you go Mustafa. Mustafa, your time is up. Syedna, please take this new comer to your camp in hell.

There is a hadith about Dajjal as follows:-

Hadhrat Huzaifah (R.A.) says, Dajjal will have his own type of Jannat (Heaven) and Jahannam (Hell) with him: Although his Jannat will appear as Jannat, in reality it will be Jahannam and likewise though his Jahannam will appear to be Jahannam, in reality it will be Jannat. Those who obey him will enter "his Jannat" while those who disobey him will enter "his Jahannam."
(Hadith: Muslim)

Milegi Shaikh (Dai) ko Jannat, hame dozakh ataa hoga
Bas itni baat thi jiske liye mehshar bapaa hoga?
- Famous Urdu poet Zauq

Let us get a few things clear:
1. The population of Bohras in this world is about 500,000 (about 5 lakhs), This is the population of ejamaat card holders, i.e. Syedna's followers.
2. The population of the whole world is roughly 6 billions.
3. Syedna's followers are less than 0.01% of the world's population.
4. More than 99.99% of humans are not holding the Daaman of the Syedna.
5. According to Syedna, only his acolytes will go to jannat.
6. 99.99% of the population of the world will go to jahannum.
7. Most of them don't even know about the existence of the Syedna, nor is Syedna taking any efforts to enlighten them.
8. Allah created these ignoramuses, but his sole selling agent on earth is doing nothing to remove this ignorance.
9. 99.99% of the human population of the earth will burn in hell, because Allah created them in the situation they are in and his sole selling agent won't do anything to save them.

MAKES A LOT OF SENSE !

Allah is Rehman and Rahim to appoint a tyrant and an extortionist as his sole representative on Earth.

MAKES EVEN MORE SENSE !!!

Smart wrote:Let us get a few things clear:
1. The population of Bohras in this world is about 500,000 (about 5 lakhs), This is the population of ejamaat card holders, i.e. Syedna's followers.
2. The population of the whole world is roughly 6 billions.
3. Syedna's followers are less than 0.01% of the world's population.
4. More than 99.99% of humans are not holding the Daaman of the Syedna.
5. According to Syedna, only his acolytes will go to jannat.
6. 99.99% of the population of the world will go to jahannum.
7. Most of them don't even know about the existence of the Syedna, nor is Syedna taking any efforts to enlighten them.
8. Allah created these ignoramuses, but his sole selling agent on earth is doing nothing to remove this ignorance.
9. 99.99% of the human population of the earth will burn in hell, because Allah created them in the situation they are in and his sole selling agent won't do anything to save them.

MAKES A LOT OF SENSE !

Allah is Rehman and Rahim to appoint a tyrant and an extortionist as his sole representative on Earth.

MAKES EVEN MORE SENSE !!!

They were only 72 in the jung of Kerbala with Imam husein to save islam.......and yazid's army was in thousands......does makes a lot of sense

@AMZ
The difference or similarity is not in numbers but niyyat. You don't seem to have read my post. Let me explain them to you.

1. Imam Husain went to do hujjat and bring the truth to those who were deprived of it. The Syednas have been blockading knowledge, since the last two generations.

2. Imam Husain was brave enough to stand by his truth and even sacrifice his life and family for that. The Syedna has done the exact opposite of that, he has only looted the community and promoted his own family. In this matter he is more like Muaviya who promoted and supported his son Yazid, knowing fully about his follies.

3. Imam Husain was the martyr in the cause of Islam. The Syedna is the tyrant, using the name of Islam to terrorise those who seek the truth.

Well, I hope you have understood the difference! If not, I will accept that your pet name on this site "Aqa Maula Zombie" is a valid name.

They were only 72 in the jung of Kerbala with Imam husein to save islam.......

Secrifice of Imam Hussain was for very noble cause., but remember there were thousands of Muslims who did not join him. Even those who invited him and assured support saw wind blowing in other direction and kept deserted him.

Islam survived and flourisd . Do the kotharies and their cousin Ismailis think only they will go to Junnah?

I believe those who follow 5 pillars and sunnah will hopefully see better results as promised in Qur'an and by Prohet SAW.

I suggest we follow Qur'an and sunnah and no other innovations.

AQ Zombie Quote
"They were only 72 in the jung of Kerbala with Imam husein to save islam.......and yazid's army was in thousands......does makes a lot of sense"
SO YOU AGREE THAT EVEN THOUGH PROGRESSIVE IS SMALL IN NUMBERS AND LIMITED IN RESOURCES LIKE IMAM HUSAIN AND SYEDNA AND HIS GOONS HAVE LARGE NUMBERS AND UNLIMITED RESOURCES LIKE YAZID, THE FINAL BATTLE IS WON BY THE MINORITY AND TRUE FOLLOWERS OF ISLAM
Thank you Zombie for thinking like us.

omabharti wrote:SO YOU AGREE THAT EVEN THOUGH PROGRESSIVE IS SMALL IN NUMBERS AND LIMITED IN RESOURCES LIKE IMAM HUSAIN AND SYEDNA AND HIS GOONS HAVE LARGE NUMBERS AND UNLIMITED RESOURCES LIKE YAZID, THE FINAL BATTLE IS WON BY THE MINORITY AND TRUE FOLLOWERS OF ISLAM

Very well said Oma. Let me add my 2cents: Jews are much fewer in numbers then muslims and parsis are less then a lakh, there is one more more sect in Muslims i.e. the yazidi sect which are even less in numbers as compared to bohras, so as per the kothari agents logic they have a far better chance to enter jannat then the slaves of syedna.

@Bros Oma, MF & GM,
Logic doesn't work with the orthies. They can pretend to be logical, but at the first whiff of fresh air, they disappear.