meaning of dai

[themonster31]

we the bohras is fight for dai
and always speaking about dai dai and dai
and trying to fight for dai and following him like a blind man
i want to only ask the blind follower that u know the meaning of arabic word dai?

[mumin]

yes,thre are many meanings of the word Dai. At one time when medicine was not so advanced, pregnant women had the delivery of their babies in their homes and the women doing the delivery was titled Dai. Even to day in some of the villages of India where there are no modern hospitals, babies are delivered in homes by the woman of the village known as the Dai.
The arabic dictionary meaning of the word Dai means keeper of religion or in hindi language" deen ka rakhwala".
May also state that the word can be misconstrued and different meanings can be interpolated. The word for such interpolation is tajeerat.

[mumin]

need a correction. The act of changing the meaning of the word to suit ones situation is known as "tahreef". Please read the lst word of my post to tahreef.

[porus]

mumin bhai saheb,

aapne sahee nahi bataya.

Dai, the midwife, is spelled daal, alif, alif(hamza), ya

Dai, as in Dai-ul-Mutlaq, means caller or inviter. It is spelled daal, alif, ain, ya.

[Aarif]

Porus,

Gud one... Thanks for the post..
No one can beat you when it comes to Arabic. You are the boss..

PS: Good attempt Mumin as well..

[ghulam muhammed]

The word 'Dai' derives from the word 'Daawat' i.e. the one who invites (dai) to a (daawat) as Bro Porus pointed out. Hence the duty of the dai is to INVITE people to 'daawat but in the 45 years of his daiship how many people has he invited ? Almost none which means he is not carrying out the task he has been assigned for. But for the abdes the only 'daawat' they know of are the various 2 kharas 2 mithas dawaats (jaman) for which the 'dai' is doing a commendable job.

[SBM]

but in the 45 years of his daiship how many people has he invited ? Almost none ?

WRONG
He invited Bal Thackrey, Narendra Modi

[Fatwa Banker]

You all have the meaning wrong I'm afraid. The Arabic word "Dai" is derived from the English word "dye" meaning to color or stain [cloth, hair, religion, etc.]

[ghulam muhammed]

He invited Bal Thackrey, Narendra Modi

I didnt know that Bal Thackerey and Narendra Modi have embraced bohraism, I think with their clout they must have been given the 'azim sharaf' of 'mafsusiyat' i.e. they must have been made sheikh/NKD. So we should now address them as Sheikh Bal Thackerey and Sheikh Narendra Modi NKD (Narendra who Knows the Dai in and out).

[Smart]

In my post elsewhere, I have analysed that in the last 45 years, leave alone inviting, he has repelled almost 75% of those who were born as Dawoodi Bohras.

So, what does that make him? Dai or muddai?

Looking at the gaali galoch indulged by him and his followers in all majlises and all occasions, is he calling people to daawat or is it a call to adaawat (hatred in gujarati)?

[SBM]

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Well said

[Maqbool]

He invited Bal Thackrey, Narendra Modi

I didnt know that Bal Thackerey and Narendra Modi have embraced bohraism, I think with their clout they must have been given the 'azim sharaf' of 'mafsusiyat' i.e. they must have been made sheikh/NKD. So we should now address them as Sheikh Bal Thackerey and Sheikh Narendra Modi NKD (Narendra who Knows the Dai in and out).

They have. It is like the king Sidhraj has embraced. It will be know to public only after their death. It is kept secret because hidus will throw them out from the public life if it is made public now.

[guy_sam2005]

The word 'Dai' derives from the word 'Daawat' i.e. the one who invites (dai) to a (daawat) as Bro Porus pointed out. Hence the duty of the dai is to INVITE people to 'daawat but in the 45 years of his daiship how many people has he invited ? Almost none which means he is not carrying out the task he has been assigned for. But for the abdes the only 'daawat' they know of are the various 2 kharas 2 mithas dawaats (jaman) for which the 'dai' is doing a commendable job.

your talent is commendable..whatever the topic be u cant sleep without syedna bashing..relevant or not..why dont you become a dai and invite all reformist to group and follow quran in your style....

[guy_sam2005]

In my post elsewhere, I have analysed that in the last 45 years, leave alone inviting, he has repelled almost 75% of those who were born as Dawoodi Bohras.

So, what does that make him? Dai or muddai?

Looking at the gaali galoch indulged by him and his followers in all majlises and all occasions, is he calling people to daawat or is it a call to adaawat (hatred in gujarati)?

oh so u mean to say 75% are reformists and just 25% is us orthies..wow good evaluation...wake up kid...

[S. Insaf]

Dawat means –to invite – feast
Dawat Nama – invitation
Dawat in religious term means to invite people to a faith with a missionary zeal. Example “Sunni Dawat-e-Islam”
Dai - one who invites – in Ismaili religion Dai means missionary or propagandist and
Dawate-Hadiyah means inviting through Hidayat (proper education and training)

Therefore the Ismaili mission constituted a procedure:-
1. Educate ordinary Bohras through proper education and training in Daras (School of religious education).
2. Award them titles of Mulla and Shaikh depending upoun their qualification, piety and religious devotion.
3. From amongst Mashaikh two assistants for Dai are raised to the position of Mukasir and Mazoon.
Then Mukasir is raised to the position of Mazoon and then Mazoon to the high post of Dai. (vide page 32 of Campbell’s Bombay Gazetteer).

Now since Sayedna Taher Saifuddin Saheb’s time as it has become a matter of Royal family these norms are overlooked.

Now to understand the necessity of Quran, Imam and Dai as religious guides:-
We are given education and guidance by our teachers, guides and books.
But when we sit in the examination hall and when we have to face life we are on our own depending on the teachings and guidance provided to us by these sources.

Similarly the Qur’an, Imams and Dais are our religious teachers and guides. To act on their teachings and principles are left to us. That is why there are people who constantly talk about Qur’an, Imams and Dais but for their selfish interests do exactly opposite.
That is why our 18th Imam Mustansir Billah had led down certain qualifications and conditions for a true Dai with a clear note that:
“A Dai who does not possess these qualities in reality and still claims to be Dai he is Dai without meaning and will not benefit spiritually. The assumption of the name of Dai for such Dai is a Sin he will be a burden on his followers.”
I am sorry to say those who have studied the qualifications of a Dai and practices of present Dai will definitely conclude that the present Dai is a Dai only for name sake. "

[Smart]

In my post elsewhere, I have analysed that in the last 45 years, leave alone inviting, he has repelled almost 75% of those who were born as Dawoodi Bohras.

So, what does that make him? Dai or muddai?

Looking at the gaali galoch indulged by him and his followers in all majlises and all occasions, is he calling people to daawat or is it a call to adaawat (hatred in gujarati)?

oh so u mean to say 75% are reformists and just 25% is us orthies..wow good evaluation...wake up kid...

I am not a kid buddy, from your posts it clear that you are. I have never claimed that 75% are progressives, it is just that 75% have left the fold and gone away. I will try and explain how.

When the last dai died in 1965, the number of Bohras were about 1 - 1.2 million. In the last 45 years the population world over has more than doubled from 2.5 billion to 6 billion, so today Bohras should have been about 2.5 million. However, there are only 0.6 million ejamaat card holders today. Where have the rest of the 1.9 million gone? Let alone retain them and attract new adherents to the jamaat, the dai and his system has repelled them.

Not all of them have become reformists. There are various options available to those who leave.

[mumin]

If there are so few left then where is all this money coming from. to support their lavish lifestyle? Do you think the few that are left are screwed to the hilt for big wajebats and salams?

[bohri]

Mumin - you wrote :

If there are so few left then where is all this money coming from. to support their lavish lifestyle?

Actually this is a question on my mind. Does the Sultan's family scrounge off community funds (gifts given voluntarily by abdes no doubt) or are they in some business? I understand that in Kenya, one of the wealthiest borha families came by their wealth after tightenning their relationship with the Sultan and his family. Maybe they were in some joint ventures together.

Do you know how their lavish lifestyle is supported?

[ghulam muhammed]

your talent is commendable..whatever the topic be u cant sleep without syedna bashing..relevant or not..why dont you become a dai and invite all reformist to group and follow quran in your style....

I know its very difficult to digest the truth because "Truth is bitter" so I dont feel bad for your nonsensical replies, one can only pity you. May Allah give you tauhfiq to distinguish between truth and falsehood and ultimately guide you to the right path.

[ghulam muhammed]

are they in some business?

They are into various businesses worldwide, you can find them doing business in partnership with bohra sheikhs at many places especially Dubai, Africa, USA, UK and even India albeit discreetly and with very low profile. Where do you think all the qarde hasanah money goes ? It is routed thru these sheikhs/mullas in various business ventures worldwide.

[Human]

If there are so few left then where is all this money coming from. to support their lavish lifestyle? Do you think the few that are left are screwed to the hilt for big wajebats and salams?

Mumin, its easy. They have a few hidden businesses and a big interest income. Some of the banks I know in Hong Kong pay upto 18% interest on big deposits. There's also many other banks apart from Hong Kong. I'm pretty sure they wouldn't hesitate to earn interest income. They do a lot of things against Islam and Quran, so earning interest should be fine for them.
As someone mentioned on the forum before they've also rented out some of their properties to alcohol shops.

[merchant786]

A very good example is Shaukat Sarkar!!!!

[guy_sam2005]

your talent is commendable..whatever the topic be u cant sleep without syedna bashing..relevant or not..why dont you become a dai and invite all reformist to group and follow quran in your style....

I know its very difficult to digest the truth because "Truth is bitter" so I dont feel bad for your nonsensical replies, one can only pity you. May Allah give you tauhfiq to distinguish between truth and falsehood and ultimately guide you to the right path.

are u on the right path..if so please guide me..and also explain wat makes you think that its the right path

[ghulam muhammed]

are u on the right path..if so please guide me..and also explain wat makes you think that its the right path

When the whole lot of people have failed to do that how do you expect me to do something which is almost impossible in your case because 'you can wake a sleeping man but cannot wake someone who pretends to sleep'.

[guy_sam2005]

oh come on Gm..u have not even tried..............u genuinely want reforms dont u...

[Human]

oh come on Gm..u have not even tried..............u genuinely want reforms dont u...

Guy Sam, why would someone waste time on explaining reforms to you when they are so well documented on this website. You and I both know that you will not accept whatever the reforms happen to be. All you'll do is try and find something in there to ridicule as you wouldn't understand with your fish brain. Then the well educated reformist guys will give you some bitterly honest replies and you'd have nothing more to say and you'll try again to divert the topic to something unnecessary!
You and I both also know that your mind by now should tell you to open your eyes to truth (unless if you're retarded or really have a fish brain). But your heart would be strictly controlling you saying moula cannot be wrong, don't you dare listen to all these dushmans. So, stop thinking with your heart and use your brain instead. The truth is out there in BOLD

[SBM]

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Human are you insulting FISH by questioning if they have brain?
US Navy has used Dolphins (Fish) very successfully in their combat roles

[Human]

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Human are you insulting FISH by questioning if they have brain?
US Navy has used Dolphins (Fish) very successfully in their combat roles

Oops! Never thought of dolphins. When I compare fish brains to ortho brains, I only mean the likes of gold fishes that are really dumb.

[Smart]

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Even gold fish have some amount of brains. I suppose you meant plastic fish?

[Human]

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Even gold fish have some amount of brains. I suppose you meant plastic fish?

Yeah Ok. Lets mean plastic gold fish for my original post.