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Asgar engineer no je waqeo thayo ehna Sh Husain Hafizji ek akela eye witness hata .... n ehne je azeem khidmat no moke naseeb thayo che yeh unexpressable che .... might b some of us have known this story but i heard for the first time in complete detail so thought of sharing wid u all


yeh puri zikra mara ghare kidi k He himmself was in bhopal (ehnu watan che) n Shz Malikul Ashtar B.s. ye ehne mumbai yaad farmaya . He took a flight from bhopal je via indore mubai awe che . yej din Maula indore c mumbai tashreef lawana hata. n sh Husain ne em hatu k maula Sahara Air c padharse .

he said: wen i came to airport my son pointed me to a Black Habshi kind of person wh had some security persons around him n said Abba aa laeen bhi aaj plane ma che .. Asked him who is he ..He said abba aa asgar engineer che la. (he had come fpr a confrence there in bhopal as a govt guest) mara dikra ye news[paper nikali ne ehnu article bhi batayu

it was a small plane n .. free seating hati but the Airhosteess requested all k aa agal ni be seat par koi na bethe its reserved.
we all boarded d plane n it reached indore . indore ma ye plane 1 kalak ruke che n thn it was announced tht haji half n hour late thase kem k ek passengr aya nathi . Everyone ws disturbed n ajgar laeen went to the hostess n asked kon nathi ayu n all .... ehma woh ye Maula nu naam lidu k aap ne awa ma waar thase tesi .

at tht time i came 2 know k maula bhi aaj plane ma che . aa waat suni ne laeen ne gusso ayo ane barbarawa lago n told d pilot . k me Govt. no guest chu me tane order karu chu k tu takeoff kar.
the pilot replied vry strongly k : PM bhimane awi ne kahe to me nai take-off karu jahan lg k mane mara chief no order nahi awe .
(laeen na hath bhoi ma para n bhoi bhi gandi thai gai )

hasad na sabab awi ne barabara wa laago. ane maula ne shabbo sitm kare ... mane kai samjh na pare me su karu ..bas ehna par laaanat para karu . Have laeen kahe che k apne have aa shakhs ni be-izzati kariye (he meant maula ) k ye awse to apne plane na darwaza par khar thai jaisu ane ehne 15 min tak bahar ubha rakhisu , awa nai daiye ,

me edam bechain thai gayo .... me seat par c kharo thai ne bahar awa gayo ... to laeen mane agal jawa na de n rasta ma ubho thai gayo n mane kuni bhi maari .... woh airhosteess boli k tu bahar ubho che to aaa bhai ne kem nai aya deto .... ehne edam laagu n he moved aside.

me darwaza par pohcho n samne c maula ne dekha aap padhare che n faqat Khuzema b.s. (indore amil) talaqqi kari rahya che. me bahar nikalwa gayu airhostess ye mane roko ke aap plz bahar mat jaiye. i said ye bade buzrg hai me inka hath pakarke upar le awunga (coz khuzema b.s. upar na awi sakte ).. she permitted me to do so .

i went down d stairs , khuzema b.s. ye mane joi ne zor si kahyu k sh. husain maula nu thoru saman che . me ye tarat lai lidu . mara bewe hath ma small bags hati ane maula ye mara hath par hath muko. me dhime dhime maula ne lai ne upar charo . Sagla logo (they were docs n engineers) ajgar sathe darwaza par ubha thai gaya . i told everybody " meherbani karke aap log hat jaiye aur hame andar jaane dijye " nobody mooved . i shouted loudly "Khuzema b.s. aa ajgar engineer yahanj che aap security ne bulawo" me itno zor c bolo k shz sahebo kahe k hame kitna dur hata to bhi hamne awz sunayo ... khuzema b.s. ran to call d security . laeen knew k security awse to ehne hatawi dese he has to do his job b4 they arrive. (telling u all mara hath aa type karta karta shiver thai che ) ehna napak irada c ye maula ne marwa waste hath uthayo. me khzema b.s.ne bulawa ne mathu unchu kidu hatu.. woh laeen ye jahan marwani koshish kidi me jhuki gayo ane maula na badal ehno hath maro chehra par jor c laago ... mara jaws ma c khoon nikalwa laagu ..... me wachma hato to ye maula lag ehno hath pohchi na sake to eh ye zor c mane 2- 3 mukka mara pet ma mara .... mane edam gusso ayo n me ehne marwa gayo magar Maula tus ye maro hath edam pakri rakho. me zor c sagla ne chillayo k tum log apne ap ko doc kehte ho aur aisa tamasha karte ho... tumhe dikhta nahi itni der se tum log andar khare ho aur ye buzurg hasti bahar dhup me khare hai " 1 man was moved by my words ... not my word but by barakat of maula . he came fwd woh ajgar ne hatayu ... maula ye dabo hath woh hindu shakhs par muko n hame andar awi gaya me ye maula ne bithya maula ye maro chehro dekho ane farmayu tamne aa ghanu zor c laagu che...n maula ye aapno hath mubarak mara chehra par phirawi dido ..... itna ma shz sahebo n all came wid security .... maula ye sagla ne isharo farmayo k koi kai na kare ... plane take -off thai jai pachi sh . husain ne puchjo ...
tke off pachi shz aali qadr mara nazdeek awi ne puchu ye kahan che .... me ye isharo kido ke aa agal ni seat par che .. shz saheb ehni bad surat dekhi ne farmayu aa shaitan( aam ehni kabahat dekhi ne kem expres kare ) .... te pachi puri zikr me ye kidi .... shz saheb ye zor c lanat pari sagla sahebo ye zor si lanat pari .... laeen ne gusso ayo mane dekhi ne kahe che tu niche airport par mil ... me ye kahyu bewaquf tu mane mil mara itna bhaiyo wahan airport par waar dekhi rahya che tara tukra tukra kari dese .... maula mari taraf (angli chehra par muki ne )ishro farmawe k chup raho....
maari waat suni ne lain ghabrayo n potana assistant ne kahe k mumbai ma security no intezzaam karaw ... n edam tension ma awi gayo k mumbai ma su thase ...ane jem tem bolwa laago ... kehta kehta em kahyu k tame logo to paisa par nacho cho ..... me edam boli gayo k hame to paisa par nachye che ... nalayak tu to randiyo par nache che . maula edam isharokare k tame chup raho.... shz sahebo saglas ajab kare k a sh hus su kahe che .... su karu itni battameezi kare maula ma to bolaij gayu ....

sagla bija passengers ne edam thayu k apna c ghani mohti khata thai gai .... sagla mara paase aya n kehwa laga k hamara c galati thai che ..... me ye kahyu galati to chej .... tame logo itna buzurg shaks sathe aam behurmati karo .... inki umar to dekho ..aur tumhe malum hai woh late kyu huwe ... kyunki woh jo bus se airport aa rahe the woh kharab ho gai phir unhone change karke car me aye ... hamare jaisa nau jawan ho to turant badal de inki umar dekho inhe gaadi badal ne me 15 -15 min to lagenge hi.... sagla logo kahe k hamne maula c maafi maagwi che .... maula isharo farmawe k ye logo ne maafi wate naa awe ..... mara dil maa em k maula ni shaan aaj na din ma aa laeen ne dikhawis ... me ye kahyu k aa betha che saheb maafi maangi lo .... sagla maula paase maaafi mangwa jai .... me ye kahyu k laieen dekh aa mara maula ni shaaan che ....

mumbai pohcha sagla ne kahyu k pehla tame sagla utri jao kem k maula ne war thase .... sagla kahe k na pehle woh utrenge uske baad ham utrenge .... laeen ne to foikar hatij k maaari maut awi che ... to ye bhagi ne utri gayo n plane ni dadar na nazdeek chupi gayo .... me plane c utro ane bahar apna bhaiyo je hata ehne khabar kidi k aa misal banu che ... apna sagla kaddawar bhaiyo security maasi nikli ne maarwane bhaga .. me ye kahyu k aa dadar paase chupo che ... sagla ye pakri ne ghano maaro ... police bhi wahan hati sagla kahe k aur maro saale ko ... isse to ham bhi pareshan hai ... me ye kidu aa maaro moke che ... meye bhi maari ane klahyu k dekh laaeen aa haal taro dunya ma che ane aakherat ma to tu haji jalse ....

itna ma security awi - sagla bhaio bhaga ehma c 3 jan ne pakri lida ... sagla shz sahebo na mane phone aawe k sh. husain ghani mohti khidmat ada kidi che ... jehad kidi che .... me maula nu shukr karto rahu ...

ek din baad shz aali qadar ye farmayu k tamne haji ek kaam karwanu che .... je bhaiyo ne security ye pakra che ehna waste eyewitness ne bayan dewanu che to faqat tamne jawanu che .... meye kahyu k me jais... bija sahebo sathe me bayan dewa gayo ... mara gal ma patto n khun bhi haji nikaltu thu ..... rasta ma sagla shz sahebo na fone awe k bhai ghabrai nai .... je thayu che ye kehjo ....

bayan leti waqat mane em puchu k itnu thawa baad bhi tame ye hath kem na uthayu ?
i said : do cheez hai ... ek to hamare dharam guru jin k samne ham danga fasad nahi karte aur dusra hindustan ka kanun . nahi to ham iska baraber jawab deneki takat rakhte hai


( khud maula ne futuhat dikhawnaar hamesha baaqi rakhe ane apna dushmano ne azabe wabeel chakhawe ameen )

Thank you Gulf for posting this here. Now we know what exactly happened. Just two questions.
1) Why is this truth coming out now (10-11 years after the incident)?
2) Why are you publishing it here on a reformist site?

Please try to publish it on mumineen.org or malumaat.org or whatever other ortho sites you have. All mumineen should know what really happened. They deserve to know the truth. They must know how bad and evil laeen Ajgar is.

I know this site for unbelievers. However they too likes intersting stories... I hope after reading this waqea, their eyes will be optheir mind will be changed and they will start hating engineer

Actually, most of us already hate engineer - you don't have to invent stories to make us do that. Btw, the reform movement is not about Engineer or any one person, hope you understand that much. In any case, I'd still request you to publish this story on your ortho sites, imagine what a scoop it's going to be - maula na dushman ni khabar sagla ne malwi joye ke nayi?

Gulf wrote: laeen ne to foikar hatij k maaari maut awi che ... to ye bhagi ne utri gayo n plane ni dadar na nazdeek chupi gayo .... me plane c utro ane bahar apna bhaiyo je hata ehne khabar kidi k aa misal banu che ... apna sagla kaddawar bhaiyo security maasi nikli ne maarwane bhaga .. me ye kahyu k aa dadar paase chupo che ... sagla ye pakri ne ghano maaro ... police bhi wahan hati sagla kahe k aur maro saale ko ... isse to ham bhi pareshan hai ... me ye kidu aa maaro moke che ... meye bhi maari ane klahyu k dekh laaeen aa haal taro dunya ma che ane aakherat ma to tu haji jalse ....

itna ma security awi - sagla bhaio bhaga ehma c 3 jan ne pakri lida ... sagla shz sahebo na mane phone aawe k sh. husain ghani mohti khidmat ada kidi che ... jehad kidi che .... me maula nu shukr karto rahu ...

Brother Gulf,

A very interesting story indeed. The above paragraph shows the thugs in the service of Aqua Mola (TUS) soundly beat up Engineer and then absconded when the security folks showed up. What cowards. They should have continued to beat Engineer and killed him on the spot. So what if they ended up going to jail? They would be shaheed in the cause of Aqua Mola (TUS) and he would surely have given them a free pass to first-class accommodations in jannat, and the best doe-eyed beauties to sleep around with for all eternity. Fools, what an missed opportunity. With what face will they stand in front of Allah miah on the day of qayamaat?

Of course, Aqua Mola (TUS) will no longer be able to call himself Ambassador of Peace, one who gives you milk when you ask for water. Probably we should now call him Godfather, for taking good care of his enemies.

The most interesting part of this stuff is it's title 'Bhopal to Mumbai via Indore' it self... however this remains solely my personal opinion

Gulf wrote:Asgar engineer no je waqeo thayo ehna Sh Husain Hafizji ek akela eye witness hata ....

I wonder why Sh Husain was the witness alone? What happened to all the others present?

Gulf wrote:at tht time i came 2 know k maula bhi aaj plane ma che . aa waat suni ne laeen ne gusso ayo ane barbarawa lago n told d pilot . k me Govt. no guest chu me tane order karu chu k tu takeoff kar.

I really doubt the credibility of the story here. As a passenger you'd normally never get a chance to speak the the pilot like that. The cockpit (the place where the captain and co-pilot are; incase if you didn't know what cockpit was) is always locked and not accessible under any circumstances to normal passengers. Another thing is Asghar Engineer's views might be against that of moula's. But we cannot deny the fact that he's a very educated person. An educated person like him would know better that (even if he had any access to the pilot) the pilot would never take orders from a civilian and thus its useless to tell him to take off.

Gulf wrote:laeen ne gusso ayo mane dekhi ne kahe che tu niche airport par mil ... me ye kahyu bewaquf tu mane mil mara itna bhaiyo wahan airport par waar dekhi rahya che tara tukra tukra kari dese .... maula mari taraf (angli chehra par muki ne )ishro farmawe k chup raho....

Then again an educated person would never shout an open threat in public. Also shows that if this story had any truth, then moula did not do anything to stop the violence that was to occur after landing. As the head of the community he would normally have to be very forgiving and non-violent by nature. The opposite happened. After that incident asghar engineer suddenly became the most famous in the bohra community for negative reasons and laanats were uttered against him by everyone, not even knowing what happened. It was taken as God's command. I can only imagine if a true and non-violent person like Gandhiji were in moula's place, he'd have not let the violence occur.

Gulf wrote:ne jem tem bolwa laago ... kehta kehta em kahyu k tame logo to paisa par nacho cho ..... me edam boli gayo k hame to paisa par nachye che ... nalayak tu to randiyo par nache che . maula edam isharokare k tame chup raho.... shz sahebo saglas ajab kare k a sh hus su kahe che .... su karu itni battameezi kare maula ma to bolaij gayu ....

Such inappropriate language used by a sheikh in public and in front of moula! But atleast because of anger he admitted that they do really 'dance on money' (literal translation).

Gulf wrote:jehad kidi che ....

This one word lets islam down so much. It is wrongly interpreted and does enormous damage to the reputation of the religion. People often use it for their own selfish propaganda. Very cowardly of sheikh husain and others present to beat up a lone defenceless man. People of truth never use violence. The incident only proves that there are lies and a lot of lies.

However the authenticity of this 'bayaan' is highly questionable. I personally would not deem it credible.

@thread creator
Just look at the gutter language used in the report of the Shaikh. Is this the standard set by the orthies?

oooo so this is the reality i thought progs are peaceful and loving yikes. i might change my mind now.syedna Muhammed Burhanuddin is really marvelous the way he stoped the other guy being violent.cool

thanx for posting brother "gulf"

btw where is this Ali asger engineer this days? where is his residence?

Alhumdollilah wrote:oooo so this is the reality i thought progs are peaceful and loving yikes. i might change my mind now.syedna Muhammed Burhanuddin is really marvelous the way he stoped the other guy being violent.cool

thanx for posting brother "gulf"

That is not the reality. You are making a fool out of yourself if you believed everything that was mentioned by Gulf in lisane daawat; not a very credible source. If you wanted the truth, you would have googled it. Anyways I've done the hard work for you, here are the links from prominent Indian newspapers. Please read and open your eyes to what happened in reality. I'm not surprised to know that you were in the dark on this matter up to now like other orthies, I was too until a few months ago; not your fault!

http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?208979
http://www.hinduonnet.com/fline/fl1705/17051030.htm
http://www.rediff.com/news/2000/feb/26dilip.htm
http://www.pucl.org/reports/National/asgharali.htm

If you google it, you'll find many more too.

Alhumdollilah wrote:btw where is this Ali asger engineer this days? where is his residence?

I guess that is totally irrelevant. Why do you want to know his residence?

Are you man enough to reveal your name, address and e-jamat card number on this forum? I guess you won't, that is knowing that only a few of educated people are against the cult you follow.

For Asghar Ali Engineer to reveal the details would mean becoming a prey of another attack from the blind orhodox zombies who follow the senseless cult or 'Syedna Sena' as rightly put by 'Communalism Combat'.

http://www.sabrang.com/cc/comold/mar00/syedna.htm

I think The gulf is reformist and to show the actual face of shaikh he has posted this story here at one stage shaikh says

Humsafar wrote:police bhi wahan hati sagla kahe k aur maro saale ko ... isse to ham bhi pareshan hai ... me ye kidu aa maaro moke che ... meye bhi maari ane klahyu k dekh laaeen aa haal taro dunya ma che ane aakherat ma to tu haji jalse ....

And again says

Gulf wrote:bayan leti waqat mane em puchu k itnu thawa baad bhi tame ye hath kem na uthayu ?
i said : do cheez hai ... ek to hamare dharam guru jin k samne ham danga fasad nahi karte aur dusra hindustan ka kanun . nahi to ham iska baraber jawab deneki takat rakhte hai

The shaikh is liar. He should have told to the police that me hath uthavo to.

To bring the real face of shaikh the Gulf has published this story here. Thank you Gulf.

Human wrote:

Alhumdollilah wrote:btw where is this Ali asger engineer this days? where is his residence?

I guess that is totally irrelevant. Why do you want to know his residence?

Are you man enough to reveal your name, address and e-jamat card number on this forum? I guess you won't, that is knowing that only a few of educated people are against the cult you follow.

For Asghar Ali Engineer to reveal the details would mean becoming a prey of another attack from the blind orhodox zombies who follow the senseless cult or 'Syedna Sena' as rightly put by 'Communalism Combat'.

http://www.sabrang.com/cc/comold/mar00/syedna.htm

well i am not the one who is running this forum or uttering hate against any one...progs have mission so whats wrong if i would like to know where the leader of ur organization stays.i have read the way he compares himself with gandhi and nelson mendela if he is so why hidding?

he must come out from the place where ever he is.

so tell me where can i find him?

Guys we have one more crack from the ortho who has come here just for the sake of wasting our time ..

Alham...I think you should go back and start playing your video games rather than wasting space on this forum...

merchant786 wrote:Guys we have one more crack from the ortho who has come here just for the sake of wasting our time ..

Alham...I think you should go back and start playing your video games rather than wasting space on this forum...

is this your best reply? or u run out of ur words?

For a Dumb person like you ...this is the best reply

OHHHYAAAA there is one more solution

Call one of your aamils and may be he can find out by throwing some dices on the board...

merchant786 wrote:For a Dumb person like you ...this is the best reply

OHHHYAAAA there is one more solution

Call one of your aamils and may be he can find out by throwing some dices on the board...

wow so great is this called reform movement to welcome people by calling them dumb ?

A reform is a movement whcih is run by a group of sensible people....and you have displayed your senses by asking the questions which do not even relate to anything...

Thats the best and the simple answer I can give you!!!!

merchant786 wrote:A reform is a movement whcih is run by a group of sensible people....and you have displayed your senses by asking the questions which do not even relate to anything...

Thats the best and the simple answer I can give you!!!!

if your reform leader cant show his face to world and fight in open he must stop comparing him self with gandhi or nelson mandela.coz those people had courage and they knew they are on true paath they never had fear of death so they came out and fought like a MAN and died like a MAN.

May Allah bless Ali with more wisdom and courage to fight against injustice.

His identity as a scholar cant be maligned with the falsehood ascribed to him by ignorants.

danishwar wrote:May Allah bless Ali with more wisdom and courage to fight against injustice.

His identity as a scholar cant be maligned with the falsehood ascribed to him by ignorants.

were is your so called asger Ali?

the way u calling him Ali it doesnt suits him to hide in some black hole he shud come out and fight for justice.

So Alhamd....
If Syedna is so courageous, how come he did not enter Jannat Ul Baqhi and do the Ziyarat and build the Zarih for which he collected the Gold, Why did he not do Purjosh Maatam in open in Saudi Arabia, Why did he BAN BOHRAS FROM VISITING SAUDI ARABIA WHILE HE WAS THERE.
HOW COME HE WOULD NOT REVEAL HIS MOTHER'S GRAVE AND WHY WOULD NOT HE CELEBRATE HIS MOTHERS URUS
So before you ask Asgharali Engineer, answer those. BTW Asgharali Engineer has an office in Mumbai and he is listed in telephone directory which was ransacked by Hooligans from Kothar just as they did to their own Shakir Tezoon.
R U another reincarnation of HN or other Orthies when confronted with question re appear with new ID.

merchant786 wrote:Guys we have one more crack from the ortho who has come here just for the sake of wasting our time ..

Alham...I think you should go back and start playing your video games rather than wasting space on this forum...

ya thats right,
lets do something creative,,can i have some ides please..some do's not donts

can anyone who knows asgar tell me whether he smokes or drinks????

well i am not the one who is running this forum or uttering hate against any one...progs have mission so whats wrong if i would like to know where the leader of ur organization stays.i have read the way he compares himself with gandhi and nelson mendela if he is so why hidding?

he must come out from the place where ever he is.

so tell me where can i find him?

Asghar Ali Engineer is not hiding from anyone. He doesn't need to hide. His address and contact numbers are in the public domain. If you had searched google you would have found it. If you want you can write to him and I assure you he will reply to you. You can call him and he will take your call. He is eminently accessible, you don't need an arzi to get in touch with him. He is one of the most respected leaders of the reform movement, but the reform movement is not just about Asghar Ali so quit obsessing about him. For the past 40 years he's being plagued by prank calls and unimaginable curses and threats. He has been sent lizards, cockroaches and rats in mail. He's been violently attacked a number of times, his house and offices have been ransacked and destroyed. He has payed a huge price for speaking truth to power. Short of killing him, the Kothar has done everything possible to humiliate and destroy him and ruin his name and reputation. But he's come through all this all right. After all this do you think he has any fear left for pipsqueak like you.

Here is his address and contact info:

602 & 603, Silver Star, 6th Floor,
Behind BEST Bus Depot, Santacruz (E),
Mumbai, 400 055, India

E-mail: csss@mtnl.net.in

guy_sam2005 wrote:can anyone who knows asgar tell me whether he smokes or drinks????

guy_sam, i've a good mind to ask you whether the Dai smokes or drinks but I do not want to stoop to your level.
To answer your question, yes Asghar Ali drinks everything permissible by Islam. He doesn't smoke but his home and office smoked like hell when the Kothari goons set them on fire.

Alhumdollilah wrote:

merchant786 wrote:For a Dumb person like you ...this is the best reply

OHHHYAAAA there is one more solution

Call one of your aamils and may be he can find out by throwing some dices on the board...

wow so great is this called reform movement to welcome people by calling them dumb ?

The person calling you dumb, may or may not be part of the reformist movement.

However, your culture of ridicule and swear words come right from the top. This how the dai calls people to daawat? See his representative apologising on the video on this site. He lacks even minimum common sense and ability to see the consequences of his own actions.

The surprising part is that inspite of lack of even a modicum of foresight, he insists that all the abdes seek his razaa. Isn't that the bigger joke?

@Oma, FYI

Moula has visited in baqi and did ziyarat with much sukun.. when right time will come you will come to know.

Gulp
I am talking about the current visit and can you provide the proof with the pictures why wait for the right time. The time is NOW.......
Now see how quickly you disappear