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What pity. If you look at picture number 4, everyone is standing with their necks held high except the Dai whose neck is permanently bent!!

anajmi wrote:What pity. If you look at picture number 4, everyone is standing with their necks held high except the Dai whose neck is permanently bent!!

why do u whine on silly issues? even if rasullullah was suffering from some physical aspects would u comment the same?even rasullullah lost his jaw fighting with kuffar does it means rasullullah was punished by Allah?(nauzobillah)

even rasullullah lost his jaw fighting with kuffar does it means rasullullah was punished by Allah?(nauzobillah)

He didn't loose his jaw, he lost two teeth. And that happened while fighting with the kuffar fi sabilillah. Do you know what that means? Loosing something fi sabilillah in this world is what the believers desire most. The Dai's neck is not bent fi sabilillah, it is bent fi sabilissalaam wa fi sabili-kadambosi!!, excuse my arabic!!

the collection of photos taken when politicians and business tycoons came visiting saifee mahal is certainly impressive. ordinarily one would burst with pride, if our syedna was known for philantrophy, or providing secular educational institutions or coming to the aid of the deprived and downtrodden in society, or for his sterling scholarliness or achievements and then world leaders came to pay their respects and showered him with honours and accolades.

even if one wants to give the benefit of such doubt to syedna, one cannot. all we see is cold-blooded politicians and calculating businessmen who obviously derive either political mileage and votes, or see monetary and economic gain from this 'transaction'. the credentials of the BJP leaders is in serious doubt. they are all goons and shady characters, enemies of islam and muslims. besides many big tycoons and celebrities are highly superstitious and uneasy about their success. they will go and bow their head in front of all deities, gods and holy places. they will go the golden temple, sai baba ashram, haji ali, lalbaug ganpati, the shiv mandir at mahalaksmi etc etc. no stone is left unturned to gather each and every elusive blessing. god knows they can use every imagined help.

whatever as it may be, for this moron abde to title his thread as "the rise of the fatimi empire again" is not only highly presumptous, but arrogant and laughable in the extreme. it betrays the mindset of the typical abde of today. drunk with the intoxication of highly extravagant public celebrations full of pomp, circumstance and hype, the abdes seem to believe that their days of establishing an empire are close at hand. they seem to see themselves as the lords of this mythical dominion, other ignorant people bowing and grovelling in front of them, akin to their own slavish behaviour in front of their sultan, while they strut and bark contemptous commands to these grovelling dogs and throw them crumbs which they scatter about with a smirk and sardonic sneer.

lest they labour under this stupid illusion, let us remind the fools that the fatimid empire failed horribly. not only were the imams poor administrators and managers, they became victims of their own excesses, living an opulent lifestyle in violation of islam's code of conduct and getting way ahead of themselves. atleast they had a kingdom. the present syedna and his family have only a community which they treat as their slaves. god forbid they got an opportunity to realise their ambition and maybe bought over some tiny little banana republic with their ill-gotten gains and became its de facto rulers. they would not only not last beyond a generation, but would get hammered by covetous neighbours so fast, that in the blink of an eye they would be in tattered rags on the streets!

but hold on...maybe isnt that what they deserve? if so, we should let these idiots dream on, a midsummer nights dream presumably!

The so called dignitories in these photographs consists of some corrupt politicians with dubious background, a few consulates of some islamic countries and Mukesh Ambani, his wife Neeta and his brother Anil.

Anil Ambani bends the most in front of syedna. Cant blame him, after his shares being hammered on the stock exchange and his role in the multi billion dollar telecom scam he desperately needs some divine blessings no matter from where it comes as his countless trips to tirupati and sai baba mandir and his endless visits to scores of godmen havent saved his skin..... 'doobte ko tinke ka sahara chahiye', so whats the harm lets try some luck here. Even if the telecom scam continues to haunt him atleast he will get some solid lessons in the art of 'managing large funds and how to park them safely', 'how to make slaves out of employees', 'how to dodge the tax authorities' plus some PRO tips and a lot more which I bet he didnt learn even in Harvard or Massachusset.

Then there are the congressmen.... the CM of maharashtra alongwith Murli Deora and his son Milind. The congress desperately needs some publicity to garner votes as their image has been drastically tarnished due to a number of scams.

The icing on the cake is L.K.Advani, the architect of the babri masjid demolition and his subsequent rath yatra which was a fitnah to arouse hindu/muslim sentiments which resulted in large scale violence accross the nation and which was also a platform for the gujrat mass genocide which resulted in the massacre of thousands of muslims by his party duly engineered by his blue eyed boy Narendra Modi, the butcher of muslims. Till date Advani refuses to apologise for the massacre of gujrati muslims. The sight of a so called muslim leader shaking hands with someone whose hands are soaked in blood of innocent muslims, the sight of the so called muslim leader draping a rfshawl around the murderer of muslims and in turn allowing him to drape one around him, all of this is DISGUSTING, DREADFUL and INHUMAN to say the least and which smells of utter HYPOCRISY. For the abdes this is a perfect act of 'Takiyah'.

The rise of the Fatimi Empire (Again)...

profastian wrote:The rise of the Fatimi Empire (Again)...

The proper title of this thread would be :-

"The Fall of Fatimi Empire".

"Collapse of Islamic Values"

and the best one-- "Aavo Bhai Harka Apne Beve Sarkha".

bhai profastian,
i saw those pics, each picture says a thousand stories of our maula's respect, love, devotion, attraction, greatness, prosperity and distiguished personality among those dignitaries.
And after i see those silly comments of few nut size brains who act like a single channeld tv, whr only one kind of drama can be seen, and only one story is alwys played i'd call them channel J. You know naa J for what? This world is hell for them...keep burning PPs.

Why No Bohra Businessmen like Dahodwala,khorakiwala and other and Bohras in higher authority like Inspector General of Police in Gujarat and others were not recognized either at the Gala or were not in Qadamboosi, (suppose no more fat envelopes were coming)

Well I did not see any of those in those so called RELAYS I watched all the relays
BTW SINCE YOU WERE THERE, CAN YOU NAME THOSE DAWOODI BOHRA INTELLECTUALS AND BUSINESS PEOPLE WHO WERE FACILITATED?

anajmi wrote:What pity. If you look at picture number 4, everyone is standing with their necks held high except the Dai whose neck is permanently bent!!

if your father age will be 100 which is not possible " he would have been in bed " this is called JALAN

Zulfikar and other so-called Reformists,

Please immediately stop your evil and nefarious ways and go fall down in front of the Sayedna, raise your backsides high, and beg him, in a groveling and tearful fashion, to forgive you. If you do not do so immediately he will throw you in hell, which no doubt he has purchased with the billions of dollars his followers have given him. As a must, you have to do salaam to him befitting his stature: i.e. with gold guineas or foreign currency in sacks. Have you not heard how great he is? Just look at all the leaders and rich business men come to him to wish him on his 99th birthday.

His wealth is so enormous that he can just dazzle you with the shine of the mountain of gold and silver he has accumulated from his followers. He does not really need your money but you must give him a lot anyway as it clears the dirt accumulated in your heart and he will clean it with the divine light which only he possesses. He is rope of Allah on earth. Well, in fact, he is Allah on earth and hence is his own rope.

Why do you talk about Islam? He is divine and saheb of haq and hence does not need such trivial things as religion, such misguided behavior as simplicity, magnanimity and ethical behavior. If he murders elephants and lions, well so what? They would have died one time or the other anyway. And, now, in the next life they will be mumin, ready to give him gold, money and bend over in front of him.

In short: please beg forgiveness now before it is too late and you find yourself in hell.

Biradar wrote:Zulfikar and other so-called Reformists,

Please immediately stop your evil and nefarious ways and go fall down in front of the Sayedna, raise your backsides high, and beg him, in a groveling and tearful fashion, to forgive you. If you do not do so immediately he will throw you in hell, which no doubt he has purchased with the billions of dollars his followers have given him. As a must, you have to do salaam to him befitting his stature: i.e. with gold guineas or foreign currency in sacks. Have you not heard how great he is? Just look at all the leaders and rich business men come to him to wish him on his 99th birthday.

His wealth is so enormous that he can just dazzle you with the shine of the mountain of gold and silver he has accumulated from his followers. He does not really need your money but you must give him a lot anyway as it clears the dirt accumulated in your heart and he will clean it with the divine light which only he possesses. He is rope of Allah on earth. Well, in fact, he is Allah on earth and hence is his own rope.

Why do you talk about Islam? He is divine and saheb of haq and hence does not need such trivial things as religion, such misguided behavior as simplicity, magnanimity and ethical behavior. If he murders elephants and lions, well so what? They would have died one time or the other anyway. And, now, in the next life they will be mumin, ready to give him gold, money and bend over in front of him.

In short: please beg forgiveness now before it is too late and you find yourself in hell.

Birader they are already in hell.... its all jealously .....

taheri786110 wrote: Birader they are already in hell.... its all jealously .....

Correct, there are in hell. I mean, after all they have left the cool shade of the richest da'i in the history of Islam, one who lives a life of ultra luxury and decadence. I mean, does he not fly in helicopters and concord plane? Does he not sit like a king while people prostrate in front of him, offering him vast sums of money, gold and jewels? What else is required to be a good leader? Money and power are the key criteria. Forget religion and all such humbug things. If he is well connected politically he must be good, must he not? These foolish and wicked progressives forget this and harp on and on about sajda, Islam, ethics etc. What idiots. They must immediately give all they have, jaan and maal to this great man and beg his forgiveness. Which he will give, as he is ambassador of peace and gives milk when one asks for water. Just make sure you have gold guineas, though, just to be sure.

mustafanalwalla wrote:But the other way of looking at it, is that each of these people here, are people who have reached a certain status in life.

Bro mustafanalwalla,

Rightly said, there is a difference in perspectives. Many right minded individuals see the real truth hidden behind the show whereas people like you are dazzled by the flow of dignitaries all of whom have a questionable background and the 'status' acquired by them are mostly achieved by dubious means. If you want, I can give a detailed account of these individuals past and present life after which you will confirm that they are the real evil mongers.

mustafanalwalla wrote:They do not need to bow down in front of anybody, others bow themselves in front of them

Really ?? It means you havent seen them bowing down to fake godmen like Satya sai baba (who is on a ventilator at present), Asaram bapu (who has number of criminal cases against him including that of rape, child molestation, child sacrifice etc). They not only bow down in front of these conmen but they literally sleep on their feet with folded hands which is called "satsang namaskar".

mustafanalwalla wrote:But even then, they came here to meet Maula and pay their respects.

Dont get fooled by these nonsense because no one "came" to meet the dai but they were "coaxed and cajoled" by the kothar's PR machinery into coming down to saifee mahal and pay respects. The politicians had their own political compulsions also.

mustafanalwalla wrote: have you shut yourselves to accepting his status in the world?

Do you know how "status" is achieved by syedna ? Or rather purchased by him ? This forum is full of posts which will demolish all your claims.

biradar,

what is the guarantee that if anyone gives up all that they have to syedna, syedna will still respect that person down the road when that person has no more to give??

look at where syedna is staying - saifee mahal, the personal residence of sir adamjee peerbhai, which his father acquired by fraud and deception at a time when adamjee's family was most vulnerable and going through turmoil upon his death. now the syedna spits upon the hands that fed and protected his forefathers. there are hundreds of such examples, many from my own family, when many wealthy bohras showered all their riches, affection and love on the syedna and when their fortunes ebbed, they were discarded and thrown aside like so many pieces of soiled toilet paper! syedna's family refused to even recognise them or acknowledge their hospitality after having stayed in their houses for weeks at a time and partaking of their food and sleeping under their roof. their allegiance is fickle and false duas temporary, paisa pheko, tamasha dekho.

once your pockets are empty, they treat you like a leper and pitiable beggar and literally throw you out. let the fortunes of the ambanis disappear, then who is anil and who is mukesh? idiots and morons coming to bother syedna?

but biradar, i did have some trepidations when i read about the absolute powers of the syedna in your opening statement and i have started practising 'highback' bows, i had to of course enlist the help of a chinese acupuncturist to lend flexibility to my rather burgeoning waist and reduce the size of my hips so that i can do justice to a smoothly accomplished and suitably sycophantic kowtow. i am also joining up the acting academy of anupam kher on how to tearfully grovel and appear awed and dazed as if struck by lightning.

it might help if we took these classes together as there is safety in numbers and if we combine our guineas and meagre gold nuggets, we stand a better chance of being ushered into the august presence of the hazrate aaliyah imamiyah qudsaniyah burhaniyah ilah ul ardh.

Al Zulfiqar wrote:biradar,

what is the guarantee that if anyone gives up all that they have to syedna, syedna will still respect that person down the road when that person has no more to give??

See, if the Sayedna decides down the line to kick you out and shun you, well, he is Allah on earth and has full rights to do so. In the misaq you say that haq na saheb can raise whoever he wishes and lower whoever he wishes. So you have to take the risk and let him do as his divine will determines. Also, unless he forgives you again and again even 30 hajj will not be enough for Allah (i.e. da'i) to forgive you. I hope you see the contradiction in your thinking.

Do not worry, an expanding waist line is not an impediment to prostrating smoothly. Don't you see the shehzadas, amils and mullahs with big bellies doing it all the time? You can do it too, just practice a bit.

Remember, the da'i is very rich and a lot of tyrants around the world love him. Hence he must be good, after all how can you, a lowly created creature, judge the acts of a high and mighty being like him? What he does is with haq, in fact, haq follows him where he goes. If he goes and visits Modi, well, haq follows him there too. Did not Imam Hassan make peace with Muawiya? Forget that he lived a simple life after he abdicated the zahiri Khilafat, that is just a minor detail. Also, forget that he was an Imam. Those are only distractions. In reality, da'i's maqam is illahi maqam and hence he can do what Imam Hassan could not do, and, further, justify it as he wishes.

Yes, we should combine forces and money, gold, silver, bronze lion statues, miracle stories (even fabricate a few) before we approach the divine presence.

omabharti wrote:
Why No Bohra Businessmen like Dahodwala,khorakiwala and other and Bohras in higher authority like Inspector General of Police in Gujarat and others were not recognized either at the Gala or were not in Qadamboosi, (suppose no more fat envelopes were coming)

Were you there to check???

On what grounds have you questioned this???

Well Mustafanalwala
Still waiting for the anwer, do not disappear, please reply to the above?
Remember getting Shakihdom to a hardware owner does not compare to Ambanis but Khorakhiwalas and Dahod do come to some level.

taheri786110 wrote:Birader they are already in hell.... its all jealously .....

The usual rhetoric..... actually it is the other way around, the fanatic abdes are jealous that this site is the most viewed site amongst all the dawoodi bohra websites and also that the dai and his adminstration is thoroughly exposed here and for which they can do nothing except enter into hollow arguments and if the same is heated up then divert the topic.

taheri786110 wrote:if your father age will be 100 which is not possible " he would have been in bed " this is called JALAN

anajmi wrote:What pity. If you look at picture number 4, everyone is standing with their necks held high except the Dai whose neck is permanently bent!!

if your father age will be 100 which is not possible " he would have been in bed " this is called JALAN

There are scores of people accross the globe who are way past 100 and leading a much healthy and active life inspite of the absence of expensive treatment from germany by world renowned doctors. People dont have JALAN for them.

bhai oma,

i thought you would have known by now, but nalwala's nal starts leaking profusely when he is cornered and under stress.

just today there was news that amitabh bachhan is being honoured by the polish govt and the city of Krakow. people like him and shahrukh khan have more broad-based international awards and honors than syedna, not just for their entertainment capability or acting prowess, but for all the social causes they contribute to and energise.

and if one were to compare the life and work of mother teresa with syedna, syedna is not even .0001% of what she achieved with no money, no income and no resources of her own, relying solely on the munificence of the common people and the blessings of a higher power. people high and low were so moved with her selfless work that they gave her charity all that they had, presidents and prime ministers, industrialists and tycoons felt humbled in her presence and the strength of her character and her cause. she personally reached into the gutters and filth and brought home the diseased and dying, lepers, gangrenous beggars and the forgotten of society, their flesh rotting away, and she bathed and bandaged them, soothed their pains and their troubled souls. compare that with the lip service the syedna has been selling as snake oil to the community since his coronation. he shamelessly takes the credit for building masjids and jamatkhanas when he has not spent a paisa of his own, moreover pockets almost 50% of the funds raised and disallows anyone to pray in it until he comes round to breathe life into it.

if this sort of behavior is going to lead to a resurgence of the fatimi empire, then i say bring it on. let it fail more miserably than it did the last time around. maybe that will bring an end to the arrogance and tyranny of this evil family.

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Well, I haven't seen all those relays. But then again, these people were not felicitated in relays either. it was a private gathering.

Please don't misunderstand my question. My only question too was you that if you say no rich bohri's were felicitated, then do you have any proof of it?

Nalwala
Being a good Abde that you are, you did not see the rely , You questioned if I was present there in person, how about you , where were you, hope not with HR department.
And I did not say RICH bohris , oh there were plenty of them, I asked about successful businessmen with International reputation and Bohra Intellects and why they need private audience Should not these successful people be shown to all Non Muslim leaders and the world, how great members of our community Are?:

nallu,

are you assuming too many powers for yrself? think you have become the absolute admin al mutlaq of this site, that you will dictate who will write when and reply whose posts? try that on your sycophantic backside-lickin' abde sites and see what remedy you'll get for your leaky nal.

as for advising reformists on what they should be doing and how, dont forget you were in such deep sh** for carrying on a one-sided affair and harassing a female at work that finally syedna had to come in your dreams and get your sorry ass out of the jam. now if this is your immoral character and indecisiveness and helplessness when faced with a dilemma, do you think you have any credentials at all to advise others??

kahan kahan se chale aate hai bewaqoof yahan...

mustafanalwalla wrote:

so, buzz of AZ, fly away

you have a hope coming...

mustafanalwalla wrote:
so, buzz of AZ, fly away

better still, pray to syedna for a miracle...

The photo of men bowing with closed hands to a Man which would resemble another person worshipping an idol (be it a statue or a human) makes me very uneasy. Surely - surely, this is wrong. I would challenge a person to find me a single authenticated piece of evidence to suggest that Our Messenger (PBUH), Panjatan Pak (AS) or Imams (AS) were praised in this physical manner that is akin to worship of else other than Allah. There is, indeed, a rise of the 'Fatimi Empire' - but I would not call it this. I would call it something else since this is not Fatimid tradition. Furthermore, Truth, Wisdom and Faith stands independantly from financial and political clout: posting this gives no significance to the orthodox clause.

On another note, I do wonder whether the religious leaders within the Kothar had invited these dignitaries and politicans to the right way in Islam - and moreover, in Dawoodi Bohra-ism. Can you imagine what jamaat fees they would have 'requested' off Ambani?

ghulam muhammed wrote:The so called dignitories in these photographs consists of some corrupt politicians with dubious background, a few consulates of some islamic countries and Mukesh Ambani, his wife Neeta and his brother Anil.

Anil Ambani bends the most in front of syedna. Cant blame him, after his shares being hammered on the stock exchange and his role in the multi billion dollar telecom scam he desperately needs some divine blessings no matter from where it comes as his countless trips to tirupati and sai baba mandir and his endless visits to scores of godmen havent saved his skin..... 'doobte ko tinke ka sahara chahiye', so whats the harm lets try some luck here. Even if the telecom scam continues to haunt him atleast he will get some solid lessons in the art of 'managing large funds and how to park them safely', 'how to make slaves out of employees', 'how to dodge the tax authorities' plus some PRO tips and a lot more which I bet he didnt learn even in Harvard or Massachusset.

Then there are the congressmen.... the CM of maharashtra alongwith Murli Deora and his son Milind. The congress desperately needs some publicity to garner votes as their image has been drastically tarnished due to a number of scams.

The icing on the cake is L.K.Advani, the architect of the babri masjid demolition and his subsequent rath yatra which was a fitnah to arouse hindu/muslim sentiments which resulted in large scale violence accross the nation and which was also a platform for the gujrat mass genocide which resulted in the massacre of thousands of muslims by his party duly engineered by his blue eyed boy Narendra Modi, the butcher of muslims. Till date Advani refuses to apologise for the massacre of gujrati muslims. The sight of a so called muslim leader shaking hands with someone whose hands are soaked in blood of innocent muslims, the sight of the so called muslim leader draping a rfshawl around the murderer of muslims and in turn allowing him to drape one around him, all of this is DISGUSTING, DREADFUL and INHUMAN to say the least and which smells of utter HYPOCRISY. For the abdes this is a perfect act of 'Takiyah'.

GM Bhai,

In Indian scenario which leader will you consider worthy of good character, Perhaps Kalaam and Manmohan, then even Kalaam gave a visit to Saify Mahal when he was President of India and Manmohan came for the inauguration of Saifee Hospital.

This tendency of seeing negative in each and every thing is definitely not serving the cause you are fighting for.

mustafanalwalla wrote:
i did that. i asked Him to forgive you for you know now what you do

thanks! i do know what i am doing and am very proud of it.