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The 100th milad celebrations have sent the dawat into a crazy and unheralded frenzy of money, money, money.

Syedna has come to London. It was announced in masjid that syedna has given 100 crore rupees to the governor of Maharashtra. By my calculations, that is about 14 million UK pounds or 21 million US dollars. Surely this is an obscene amount to be given for our community to buy political favours.

Each London family is being forced to give 1000 pounds. This, it was proudly announced, will go towards a najwa of 1 million pounds to be given to syedna on this trip.

Additionally, everyone has been instructed to give gold as gifts to syedna. Also, the dawat organisations are forcing their members to pay large sums of money for gold to be given to syedna.

Is there no end to the obscene greed and excessiveness?

yes there is end to this>>>>leave the cult.

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So you agree that it is a cult?

You are a modern people living in a modern world/city. You may have broken down so many obstacles and barriers to get to live in & work in London. No need to cringe when money is demanded.

Get like minded people on a platform and show a combined opposition. Surely if this can be done in many cities in India, why not in London. Refuse to pay. They will not be able to do anything.

Leaving the cult doesnt make a difference to the More La. He has become an expert business tycoon who has already brainwashed thousands of young minds to follow him thanks to their current parents. I think he can also accept revolt of a jaamat not paying the current amounts demanded by him as thats just a fraction of his income.

My advise is the jammats should continue to demand higher amounts. Whats a 1000 pounds per family? Maybe if the figure is 10,000 pounds thats when even the rich will start to question their own faith. Thats what needed to bring change in the community. Continue to ask for more and more and then see how people will wake up!

londonwala wrote:Each London family is being forced to give 1000 pounds. This, it was proudly announced, will go towards a najwa of 1 million pounds to be given to syedna on this trip.

Assalaamu alaikum londonwala,

Could you say more about what the bohras in the London jamaat are being asked for? How is it, exactly, that they're being "forced" to give 1000 pounds? And what are the reactions of the bohras there? What are they saying publicly and privately about it?

candela wrote:

londonwala wrote:Each London family is being forced to give 1000 pounds. This, it was proudly announced, will go towards a najwa of 1 million pounds to be given to syedna on this trip.

Assalaamu alaikum londonwala,

Could you say more about what the bohras in the London jamaat are being asked for? How is it, exactly, that they're being "forced" to give 1000 pounds? And what are the reactions of the bohras there? What are they saying publicly and privately about it?

Candela

See the jamaat message below. It was announced that each of the sheikhs in the jamaat would be allocated a number of families who they will have to chase for the money and visit them personally if necessary. The reactions of the bohras vary. There are many families who can afford it and are happy to give. Their attitude is that they are happy to be shamil in syedna’s milad celebrations, and that it is because of giving money that we are blessed with syedna’s visit. Others are not happy but they are giving because they must stay in the jamaat and if they don’t give then they will not be issued kadambosi cards and they will be chased by jamaat for the money even after syedna leaves. Of course many families will not pay at all. These are the ones who genuinely cannot afford it and also those who are lucky enough to have ties to the jamaat which are weak, so they don’t care if they are chased, they will just not pay and don’t care about the consequences.
The 1,000 pounds is just the tip of the iceberg. Many prominent families are being pressured to give more (1,000 per adult) and also the rich ones are being pressured to join the Welcome Committee, for ten thousand pounds each.

London Jamaat has resolved that on the occasion of the historic Centenary Milad visit of Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin (tus) to London, ALL mumineen should get the sharaf of offering Najwa-e-Shukr to Aqa Moula (tus). Therefore, EACH FAMILY MUST COMPULSARILY arz a minimum of one unit of a £1,000 (or more) for najwa-e-shukr.


Today 16th April 2011 by 8:00 pm you are required to
• Submit your cash or cheques (payable to H.H. VISIT)
• Collect your najwa-e-shukr card allocated on a sequential basis from the Jamaat office
• Collect milad-e-meavi tashrif (Hadiya) from Aqa Moula (tus) from Janab Aamil Saheb

I wonder if syedna really knows about all this? or may be all these scams and forcing kept secret from him.

I received this via e mail

Baad Afzalus Salaam
After the joyous celebrations of Aqamaulas TUS Milad Meavi (100th Salgirah), Anjuman-e-Burhanee now needs to prepare for that day when Aqamaulas TUS qadam mubarak will set forth upon the soil of Los Angeles and shower mumineen with hazaro barakat.
As Janab Turab Bhaisaheb, in Mauletena Fatema tuz Zahra’s Shahadat majlis, mentioned that he had the opportunity to do araz to Aqamaula TUS that our masjid is constructed and now awaits the day for ImamuzZamans Dai to come and phooko rooh in the masjid. Aqamaula TUS ye Janab Turab Bhaisaheb ne aim farmayu, “ke tamari umeed puri thai”. So now we await the bushra of Aqamaula TUS coming to Los Angeles.
Prior to that, we need to prepare, not only to do Aqamaula TUS istiqbaal but also the hazaro mumineen who will come to LA on this occasion. As Janab Turab Bhaisaheb had stated prior to last Ramadan that the ikram fund unit is $14,000 per family. We need everyone to start paying immediately so we can do shandaar prpearations for this historical event. Please make the checks out to Anjuman-e-Burhanee.
All the Iftetah committees that were formed last year need to energize themselves and all mumineen need to be available for any or all khidmat. Shk. Saifuddin Bhai Mogri will be calling on all committees and setting up meetings requesting an update on the status, action plan, etc., within a week. At present the tentative iftetah time frame looks like anytime after May 20, 2011. Janab Turab Bhaisaheb is in constant touch with London (where Maula TUS is keeping tashrif awri) to determine the exact timing of Aqamaula’s TUS plans and coming to LA. All mumineen need to do doa every minute of the day that our khwaish of Aqamaula TUS coming to LA becomes a reality very soon.

Aqa Maula TUS ne aa Me'avi Milaad Mubarak Karjo ane Khuda Ta'ala Aqa Maula TUS ne Sehat ma Qayaamat na din Lag Baaki Raakh je, Ameen !!!!

Abide Syedna TUS
Anjuman-e-Burhanee, Los Angeles
Please email us with any jamaat related quest

ion(s) at info@laburhanee.org

@londonwala: thanks for your extended reply! Ahh, this is not even directly affecting me, and yet it's so irritating...

And @omabharti, I can't imagine how the LA jamaat is reacting. If there isn't a strong reaction there, then I might be forced to conclude that the LA jamaat is more or less fully brainwashed.

The saddening part is not that the extortion is happening, but that the abde's are happily abiding by it and defending it.

Even the oldest person in any jamaat in the world may he be 70, 80, or 90 years old were born and raised during the time of these 2 Dai(s) and have never seen anything but extortion, coersion, bullying and submission. They don't know anything better, so how can any one expect any rebellion against $14,000 ( 8,609 British Pounds), Collection of 1000 British Pounds in UK is nothing compared to the greed of LA Jamaat clergy and his cronies. But we have to wonder how the people who are unemployed or poor or on limited income handle these exorbitant demands. $14,000 per family is made compulsory with no relief clause to acomodate the indigents mentioned above, this is pure cruelty towards people and not rehmat as they claim themselves to be. The secret the clergies all over the world know is that people do like the religion and love the Dai and wants to stay in it so they use that as a sledge hammer to beat them down and submit to their exorbitant demands, what other choice people have, they don't want to become sunni, isna ashari, Aga Khani or even PDB. the strong arming by the clergy has increased a lot more during this Dai's period and everything is being dictated by the shazadas and their underlings. So far 3-4 generations have lost their contol over their own money and mumlekat and now the kids are being brainwashed in madrasas to pay for madrasa ziyafat, madrasa salaams and madrasa kids also pay wajibaat even though they have no income. you wonder why force them to pay wajibat? on what basis do they calculate their amount to pay for zakaat. they say it is to put them in habit of paying but to me that is all hogwash, all they want is more and more money by hook or crook. Only Allah and Imamezaman can help these people to wake up and stand up and fight for the just cause, unless they fight nothing will change.

Kaka Akela wrote:But we have to wonder how the people who are unemployed or poor or on limited income handle these exorbitant demands.

I know a family here in India who comprises of an old lady and her widow daughter. They work out of home by selling mehendi, doing stitching etc. These ladies pay exorbitant (as per their income of course) amounts. They cut down on their day to day necessary expenses but save money to pay that hideous amount.

This is certainly not the Islam that our Rasulallah (SAW) conveyed with. May Allah revert us all to the Seraat Al Mustaqeem. Ameen.

omabharti wrote:I received this via e mail

Baad Afzalus Salaam
After the joyous celebrations of Aqamaulas TUS Milad Meavi (100th Salgirah), Anjuman-e-Burhanee now needs to prepare for that day when Aqamaulas TUS qadam mubarak will set forth upon the soil of Los Angeles and shower mumineen with hazaro barakat.
As Janab Turab Bhaisaheb, in Mauletena Fatema tuz Zahra’s Shahadat majlis, mentioned that he had the opportunity to do araz to Aqamaula TUS that our masjid is constructed and now awaits the day for ImamuzZamans Dai to come and phooko rooh in the masjid. Aqamaula TUS ye Janab Turab Bhaisaheb ne aim farmayu, “ke tamari umeed puri thai”. So now we await the bushra of Aqamaula TUS coming to Los Angeles.
Prior to that, we need to prepare, not only to do Aqamaula TUS istiqbaal but also the hazaro mumineen who will come to LA on this occasion. As Janab Turab Bhaisaheb had stated prior to last Ramadan that the ikram fund unit is $14,000 per family. We need everyone to start paying immediately so we can do shandaar prpearations for this historical event. Please make the checks out to Anjuman-e-Burhanee.
All the Iftetah committees that were formed last year need to energize themselves and all mumineen need to be available for any or all khidmat. Shk. Saifuddin Bhai Mogri will be calling on all committees and setting up meetings requesting an update on the status, action plan, etc., within a week. At present the tentative iftetah time frame looks like anytime after May 20, 2011. Janab Turab Bhaisaheb is in constant touch with London (where Maula TUS is keeping tashrif awri) to determine the exact timing of Aqamaula’s TUS plans and coming to LA. All mumineen need to do doa every minute of the day that our khwaish of Aqamaula TUS coming to LA becomes a reality very soon.

Aqa Maula TUS ne aa Me'avi Milaad Mubarak Karjo ane Khuda Ta'ala Aqa Maula TUS ne Sehat ma Qayaamat na din Lag Baaki Raakh je, Ameen !!!!

Abide Syedna TUS
Anjuman-e-Burhanee, Los Angeles
Please email us with any jamaat related question(s) at info@laburhanee.org

Br. Oma,

are you sure this has come from Jamaat or has someone forwarded it to you because it looks doctored, Jamaat will never use these words
"Dai to come and phooko rooh in the masjid"
and figure of 14000$ also looks quite exaggerated, which by any standards is too much to ask every family to pay, please check with your sources in US for the authenticity of this email.

Br. Aqs
I did put the first line that I received that in E mail so I cannot vouch for its authenticity. Having said that, I know that kind of amount has been demanded in various Jamats in USA, from Tampa to Atlanta (it is verified). Also why are you surprised by these words "Dai to come and phooko rooh in the masjid", when they have equated visiting Raudat Tahera to do doing Hajj or kissing Syedna Taher Saifuddin's grave to kissing Hajar-e-Aswad (these comparisons I have heard myself). Phooking Rooh in Masjid is very tame compared to the other comparisons. I do not know if you ever heard or met Taurab BS
but he is a very intimidating person and one should be careful crossing him since he is the head of Dawat-e-Hadiyah USA. BTW there is an e mail address and some one from the other side of spectrum can write to them and verify. Can you? or others find out and if it is wrong then I will take your word for it..

The Sayedna was in San Francisco many years ago to open the SFO masjid. I was present there during this time. A very interesting thing happened. After the iftitah during the vaeez someone handed to the Sayedna a piece of paper. The Sayedna essentially just read out what was written on it. His message was: now that there is a masjid in SFO the sabil will have to be increased by 3 to 5 times at the minimum. After he read this he went on with this vaeez.

One thing the LA bohras can be sure off: they will be shelling out a lot of money for this visit and will keep paying more and more for the masjid upkeep. The LA amil is a very very shrewd businessman. He will not spare the opportunity to earn maximum profit from this occasion and increasing the sabil even more than it is now. I would not be surprised if he has actually asked for $14K per family. LA bohras will just bend over and pay as they are told too. They have been conditioned over the years to obey unconditionally and do not have the spine to stand up the amil. Best of luck if you are in LA.

i dont know why people here find it so hard to digest the fact that LA bohras are being asked for $ 14000/= . in mississauga, canada, they have been demanding $ 25,000 per family to build a masjid and this had to be paid by hook or by crook.

its only 3 years ago when a grandson of syedna came to toronto and visited mississauga and upon learning that a sizeable fund has been collected, he asked that a major chunk of it (about 90% i am told) be transferred to mumbai to help in renovating the kufa masjid. this was done under duress and since then, realising that this masjid may never be built in the near future, aziz rakla, the benefactor who had the originally gifted the industrial warehouse building as a markaz, shelled out more of his personal funds and converted the interior of the makeshift markaz in the huge shed into a more permanent looking kibla and flooring etc, revamped the entrance and the handwashing area and covered up the bare walls with decorative curtains and so on. since then the demands for this big sum from each family have stopped.

day by day the kothari alligator's mouth is opening wider and getting more greedy. the time is not very far away when every bohra will have to have his entire income directly transferred to jamaat and then will get a subsistence allowance in return.!

please refer to my thread here on this forum, "NEW RULES"....

Well as much as I hate to say it, the fanatics deserve every bit of this. You reap what you sow hence if you dont stand up for your rights, then be ready to be trodded upon. This is the price of faith.

One doesn't need anyone to reach to Almighty Allah. He has given you the most beautiful book; the Holy Quran and the priniciples of Islam are self explanatory. Why do you have to pay to follow a religion and be religious??? Common guys isnt this something to think about? If you need More La to be a good muslim, then what about the rest of the muslim community who dont have a More La? Does that mean they arent following the right path? Your More La also prays to Almighty Allah and follows the quranic teachings, doesnt he? Why is it for the rest of the bohras not to do the same?

Its really sad to note this and worst is that the young minds are being trained to follow the same...Look at the pics holding their hands together and begging from More La...How is this not different from a Hindu asking for guidance from his God? Only difference here I see is that the Hindu God is non Human and Bohras seem to have a Human God!

Jamali wrote: Its really sad to note this and worst is that the young minds are being trained to follow the same...Look at the pics holding their hands together and begging from More La...How is this not different from a Hindu asking for guidance from his God? Only difference here I see is that the Hindu God is non Human and Bohras seem to have a Human God!

Yes, the fanatics deserve their fate and unless they themselves decide to rebel and boot out Shezadas, amils and the assorted mullahs, nothing will happen. These folks will keep looting in the name of religion. The sheer greed and appetites of these leeches is amazing. It literally is like a forest fire: the more you feed it the hungrier it gets.

The bohras have set up a god for themselves. In India every year there is a Ganpati festival. In this a stone idol of the elephant god is placed on a platform and thousands of devotees stream by to do "darshan". The bohras have done the same: their Ganpati does not have a trunk and wears white clothes with gold-lined dupatta. Otherwise, there is very little difference. Just observe the pathetic spectacle during the milad and all occasions: the Sayeda sits on a platform and devotees stream by, hands folded begging for a blessing. This is human worship, plain and simple. No amount of twisting of facts by the orthodox can prove otherwise. It is just amazing to see otherwise educated and smart bohras just line up the streets to catch a glance of their god.

The unfortunate thing is that the bohra conditioning is so deep that this situation will not improve soon. Even little children are taught to stand in front of Sayedna's photo with hands folded. They are taught to pay wajeebat. Amazing! Brainwashing starts early and never wears off.

omabharti wrote:Br. Aqs
I did put the first line that I received that in E mail so I cannot vouch for its authenticity. Having said that, I know that kind of amount has been demanded in various Jamats in USA, from Tampa to Atlanta (it is verified).

thats what i asked whether you recieved it from the official email ID of jamaat or someone forwarded you that email. because Jamaats dont use the said words, might be some Aamil would have said in waez but in official letter they dont use these kind of terminology.

Also why are you surprised by these words "Dai to come and phooko rooh in the masjid", when they have equated visiting Raudat Tahera to do doing Hajj or kissing Syedna Taher Saifuddin's grave to kissing Hajar-e-Aswad (these comparisons I have heard myself). Phooking Rooh in Masjid is very tame compared to the other comparisons.

to be honest i have never heard any such thing where Raudat Tahera is compared to Hajj and kissing of Syedna Taher Saifuddin's(aq) grave to kissing hajare aswad, if some one has claimed these kind of tall claims then ask them whether this rutba is only for Raudat Taher or for all the past Dai's because that will create some 51 Hajjs and if we include Imams then this number increases more. I have heard comparison to kiyara of janaat but never hajj

Regarding phooking rooh, yes its our belief that a newly constructed Masjid is just a building of brick and mortar and it becomes Masjid only when Syedna says so.

aqs wrote:
Regarding phooking rooh, yes its our belief that a newly constructed Masjid is just a building of brick and mortar and it becomes Masjid only when Syedna says so.

conclusive proof that the bohras of today under the leadership of syedna have become complete kafirs! any difference between this fookin' (pun intended) and the practice of 'praan pratishthan' of the hindus wherein an idol made of stone or clay or whatever in the likeness of any of their gods/goddesses becomes a god only after installation by a bunch of their priests who undertake long ceremonies and utter mumbo jumbo to breathe life into it?

there is no such precedence from the lives of the prophet or ali or any of the imams, that they went around doing 'fookin' to inaugurate masjids, taking fat salaams in payment and labrez ziyafats being thrown for them and their vast retinue of hanger-ons to celebrate on a grand scale the opening of a new masjid, that any masjid in islam was considered an inert dead building until a self-appointed divine came along to do some 'fookin' in it.

are bohras hindus, or to describe it better, hindu muslims??

Banyani Muslims for sure

aqs wrote:

Regarding phooking rooh, yes its our belief that a newly constructed Masjid is just a building of brick and mortar and it becomes Masjid only when Syedna says so.

bR aqs

I have no problem what Dawoodi Bohra Hindu-Muslim believe.

You must pity 96 year old leader and not put him to such a ardous journy. In islam there is no "Phook Marni" ceremony to open mosque for prayer.

Bohra Hindu-Muslim leadership may have financial motive to open mosque in person.

In this electronic age Shri More La can also "phook Maar" remotely. Here are suggestions:

Just unlock the door electronically just by pressing switch fro his Palace.

He can lead non fird prayer remotely where a live image of Shri More La can be transmitted to Calif Markaz business center and California Bakra-abdes mimic the moves facing large screen. for this a nominal fee can be charged say $1000 per Bakra. For visiting Bakras they can charge say $100. Chief guest can be a Mini More La from Bombay palace and Calif Bohra Hindu-Muslim may bribe officials to give him Royal welcome. They are rich enough to produce all this on Hollywood stage and for nearly one million Bohra Hindu-Muslim see it and receive barakat. This Mini More La and his chosen Mini Mini More La can receive"Paaw Choo" (Kadam Bosi) on the Shri More La's behalf and also do Kadam in California to generate revenue.

or

Shri More La can "Phook" in a Paak Bottle and this sealed Phook can be flown to Calif in a rented Presidential Plane. At Pre determined moment this Phook can be released in New Burhani Business Markaz Ceneter. Even Mini Phook bottles can be sold to Bakra Abde Bohra Hindu-Muslims to be released in their homes and businesses.

Brother Zulfi can add more ideas to this.

Pranam and Nameste to my Abde Bohra Hindu-Muslim Bhaio and Bheno.

Br. MF

i can very well reply to you in the same tone, but i desist. it might suit you to question others Imaan, i leave it to Allah.

Constructive criticism can always help but i dont know how mocking others strengthens your Imaan.

fellow pdb members,

did you see how the ortho abde coward skirted the questions i raised by diverting the topic to address only MF's post?

why is no fanatic abde answering if there is any precedent in islam from the times of the prophet downwards in doing 'fookin' ' to bring alive masjids?? when it is embarassing, the cowardly abdes run with their broken tails between their crooked legs...

Al Zulfiqar wrote:fellow pdb members,
why is no fanatic abde answering if there is any precedent in islam from the times of the prophet downwards in doing 'fookin' ' to bring alive masjids?? when it is embarassing, the cowardly abdes run with their broken tails between their crooked legs...

You idiot Zulfiqar: Do you think bohra da'i needs any precedent to do what he pleases? He is rabb on this Earth and hence can do anything he wants and his actions are his own precedents. A da'i is his own kibla as evident from his statement to his father "You are our qibla right before us!" when asked by his father "Where is the qibla from where I stand?". He does not need such silly things as stone buildings as qibla. His zaat is a qibla and a masjid. Hence, the great confusion by the bohras who know not in which direction to do sojood: in front of him or in front of Allah. They are both the same! So please repent your evil deeds and beg forgiveness of da'i aka Allah before it is too late.

thanks biradar for opening my eyes. the scales have fallen away and i have realised the folly and error of my ways. sometimes one tends to forget in the midst of pristine islam, that syedna and his family are way above such mundane and uninspiring things as the dull and boring practices of the prophet and ali, who had no panache or style like todays dai and his family. they did not have even .0001% of the P.R. skills of today's dai or his father. if they had, islam would have been so much more successful in having accumulated zillions more dollars than the meagre drippings of today.

taking yr advice, i am sending off an arzi in hazrate aaliyah imamiyah qudsaniyah ilahul ardh expressing extreme regret and remorse at my misplaced expectations. how can we mere mortals express our sincere apologies to a man who is greater than any prophet, farishta, jinn, imam or divine being who ever lived?

thanks biradar!

Syedna’s first month in London was quiet. His health was bad and there were no functions. He was hospitalised for some time. A couple of weeks ago his health improved sufficiently for the moneymaking bandwagon to begin rolling. A qadambosi bethak was held. Everybody was instructed to do salaam in gold. The dawat no longer wants cash in envelopes. Little gold guineas worth ten, twenty, thirty times the amount that we used to do in salaam are now the only acceptable currency. Further qadambosi functions have followed for women. Now enforced ziyafets are taking place. Bunayyat, Burhani Women, Shabab and other organisations are now harassing all their members and demanding minimum payments of between 200 and 552, regardless of whether you choose to attend. Prices for other “sharafs” in the ziyafets are much higher.

London jamaat is now being split into two. The new jamaat in south London will have the son of shahzada Idris BS as amil. All families are being told to give 21 thousand pounds towards a new masjid there. The new amil is young and quiet and not suited for an amil post. Like many of the senior princes, he has been spoilt all his life. Despite an expensive education they are unable to get real jobs or qualifications. Their parents know that there is much more money in being an amil than in any other profession so they are given cushy amil jobs in lucrative jamaats.

A da'i is his own kibla as evident from his statement to his father "You are our qibla right before us!" when asked by his father "Where is the qibla from where I stand?". He does not need such silly things as stone buildings as qibla. His zaat is a qibla and a masjid.

This must be common riwayat for Ismailies. I read similar srory on Ismaili net.

Australia is exteremely fortunate for many reasons

there are too few Bohras to make any of the Kotahar to find this place lucrative to send a lain-zada..but I cannot wait idle for it becoming lucrative especially now that the A$ is rocketing

Australia governement officials for whatever reasons desi's call intolerant and racists has no leniency for radical Islamic etnic behaviour...we will not let this become as bad as Sikh issues in Canada

After reading such blogs prevention is better than cure, I wrote to the Jamaat prior to Milad to tread very careful and it seems they heeded my warnings and since then nothing oppressive was enforced in fact everything was voluntary. If they did cross the line then or in future i would have raised it to such level that it would have been discussed in Parliament. I am saying this now because halfway it would have threatened my plan and was not sure how effective my contacts were, I now trust my lobbyists in Foreign Affairs, Immigration and State governement.

Unlike Canada, UK or US Aussie MPs are practical and do not need Muslim votes as much so they will move quickly to clip Bohra jamaats arrogance.

Current Victoria and NSW premiers are from Liberal party which has no time for Bohra bullshit and we have some very far right MPs such a Nile who are exteremely influencial for the right reason to keep Bohra fanaticsm at bay ? With Illigeal migrant, Lebanese gangs, Terrorism, Radicalism, Burqa issues Aussies will pounce on any Islamic issue so Bohras bets stay out of the press and political discussions.

http://www.cdp.org.au/component/jnewsle ... d-999.html

Many of you wonder why I celebrate this situation well I know Kothar will use bribes and lobbying to get their way...dont they make similar moves with Modi...as I mentioned many months ago I move quick..and my defence background is so helpful.

After reading this any Kothar mole local or Indian thinking I am bluffing make my day as I need to test my levers again should a real situation arise. So I do not for how long this mutual peace will last..but I have my passion !

Another point is majority of Bohra intellectual are skilled migrants working class battlers and trying to make ends meet so Kothar will have an uphill task to oppress . Thank god the Pakistani and Indian migrants outnumber Africans and I have noticed Africans are more gullible and less-literate in most western countries and unlike the few committee members they are slowly being outnumbered.

Londonwala, you are very right. I have said earlier same thing in my post. I have heard that he is still not feeling well, his temprature and pulse is flactuating. We can see that in the photos which have been posted. I only wish if he rests a little more.
I got an email from a friend of mine in London, he was telling me the same thing, there are harrassing phone calls from jamat, he is asked 1052 pounds total including najwa and salam for his family. Londoners should stand up and protest a bit. Somebody should call this an extortion, may be a public letter or letter to MP would go a long way.