Mojiza of alavi dai? fact or fairy tale u decide?
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Mojiza of alavi dai? fact or fairy tale u decide?
In the name of GOD almighty...
It is from our prime principles of Isma’ili-Taiyebi faith and we always believe that, Malaa’ekah (holy angels) descends from the darbaar of Rabb ul-‘Ezzat on the maqaam where Da’iyullaah is buried, i.e. the resting place of our Da’i is like one of the gardens of Jannat ul-Firdaus (Paradise). Due to this each and every Saaheb-e-Maqaam and Darajah (person at the spiritual status of Da’wat) is Saaheb-e-E’jaaz (ability to do miracles spiritually by the permission of Allaah) where mumineen find the glimpse of the Qudrat of Allaah Ta’aala.
It is the event full of faith and conviction when Mo'jizah took place in the Rozah Mubaarakah of our 29th Da’i-e-Mutlaq Saiyedna Ali Shaheed-e-Kareem (aq), the son of Saiyedi Ibraaheem, the son of 28th Da’i-e-Mutlaq Saiyedna Shaikh Aadam Safiyuddin saheb (aq), in Ahmedabad on 1st May 2011, Sunday at around 1320 hrs. ‘Itr (attar) started oozing from the floor and wall of Rozah at the place of Qabr-e-Mubaarak of Saiyedna Ali saheb for about 20 minutes. It was so profuse that even after wiping and cleaning the place again and again it appeared at the same place of Qabr-e-Mubaarak. Eyewitness to this is Badruddinbhai Ajabshah, his wife and son. Even the members of other Bohra jamaa’at gathered at the place and did maatam when they came for the ziyaarat of Saiyedna Shaikh Aadam Safiyuddin saheb (aq) and witnessed this Mo’jizah.
They were all unaware of the fact that, the place where they are observing this Alavi miracle is actually the place of the Qabr of Alavi Da’i which has been demolished by the cruel management. All of them took barakaat of this holy ‘Itr. After they all left the Rozah, Badruddinbhai saw a man with white beard and glorious face who entered the Rozah and recited the Du’a sitting calmly at the place of Qabr for long time. He said that, He has never seen such impressive and enlightened personality ever before in his life. When they came out from the Rozah along with him, he tried hard to collect the whereabouts of the man but all in vain. Still it remains a mystery about a man doing du’a at the Qabr-e-Mubaarak. Badruddinbhai impregnated the fragrance of Attar in all handkerchieves he had and his clothes. The distinguished and unique fragrance of Attar was still felt when he brought the handkerchief at Devdi Mubaarak on Monday. This is indeed the Mo'jizah of our Maulaa Saiyedna Ali (aq) and it proves our truthfulness and we all pray that, Allaah Ta’aala bring an auspicious time for us when we see the Qabr-e-Mubaarak of our Maulaa again at the same place. Huzoor-e-‘Aali (tus) did farmaan to narrate the whole Mo'jizah Alaviyah among the mumineen on the Pehli raat of Jumaadi ul-Ukhraa.
It is from our prime principles of Isma’ili-Taiyebi faith and we always believe that, Malaa’ekah (holy angels) descends from the darbaar of Rabb ul-‘Ezzat on the maqaam where Da’iyullaah is buried, i.e. the resting place of our Da’i is like one of the gardens of Jannat ul-Firdaus (Paradise). Due to this each and every Saaheb-e-Maqaam and Darajah (person at the spiritual status of Da’wat) is Saaheb-e-E’jaaz (ability to do miracles spiritually by the permission of Allaah) where mumineen find the glimpse of the Qudrat of Allaah Ta’aala.
It is the event full of faith and conviction when Mo'jizah took place in the Rozah Mubaarakah of our 29th Da’i-e-Mutlaq Saiyedna Ali Shaheed-e-Kareem (aq), the son of Saiyedi Ibraaheem, the son of 28th Da’i-e-Mutlaq Saiyedna Shaikh Aadam Safiyuddin saheb (aq), in Ahmedabad on 1st May 2011, Sunday at around 1320 hrs. ‘Itr (attar) started oozing from the floor and wall of Rozah at the place of Qabr-e-Mubaarak of Saiyedna Ali saheb for about 20 minutes. It was so profuse that even after wiping and cleaning the place again and again it appeared at the same place of Qabr-e-Mubaarak. Eyewitness to this is Badruddinbhai Ajabshah, his wife and son. Even the members of other Bohra jamaa’at gathered at the place and did maatam when they came for the ziyaarat of Saiyedna Shaikh Aadam Safiyuddin saheb (aq) and witnessed this Mo’jizah.
They were all unaware of the fact that, the place where they are observing this Alavi miracle is actually the place of the Qabr of Alavi Da’i which has been demolished by the cruel management. All of them took barakaat of this holy ‘Itr. After they all left the Rozah, Badruddinbhai saw a man with white beard and glorious face who entered the Rozah and recited the Du’a sitting calmly at the place of Qabr for long time. He said that, He has never seen such impressive and enlightened personality ever before in his life. When they came out from the Rozah along with him, he tried hard to collect the whereabouts of the man but all in vain. Still it remains a mystery about a man doing du’a at the Qabr-e-Mubaarak. Badruddinbhai impregnated the fragrance of Attar in all handkerchieves he had and his clothes. The distinguished and unique fragrance of Attar was still felt when he brought the handkerchief at Devdi Mubaarak on Monday. This is indeed the Mo'jizah of our Maulaa Saiyedna Ali (aq) and it proves our truthfulness and we all pray that, Allaah Ta’aala bring an auspicious time for us when we see the Qabr-e-Mubaarak of our Maulaa again at the same place. Huzoor-e-‘Aali (tus) did farmaan to narrate the whole Mo'jizah Alaviyah among the mumineen on the Pehli raat of Jumaadi ul-Ukhraa.
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the cruel management.!!!!!!!!They were all unaware of the fact that, the place where they are observing this Alavi miracle is actually the place of the Qabr of Alavi Da’i which has been demolished by the cruel management.
is it Same management who isaccusing othwrs of distroying graves?
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Muslim First wrote:the cruel management.!!!!!!!!They were all unaware of the fact that, the place where they are observing this Alavi miracle is actually the place of the Qabr of Alavi Da’i which has been demolished by the cruel management.
is it Same management who isaccusing othwrs of distroying graves?
yup thats funny isnt it....?
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is it Same management who isaccusing othwrs of distroying graves?
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Is it Same management who accuse others of destroying graves?
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Is it Same management who accuse others of destroying graves?
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No...This is not fairy tale...It did happend twice within 15 days interval...
Second time on 15th may 2011 :--
Mo'jiza in the Rozah Mubaarakah of Saiyedna Ali as Shaheed (aq) for the second time witnessed by the members of Mumenaat Tanzeem Committee today. Scented water oozed from beneath the place of Qabr....
and Its not a fiction story but 100% true incident....Peoples of both the side of splits have witnessed this mo'aziza, on both days.
Only Alavi bohra jamat is talking ab it...There is no such news in dawoodi bohra community...D.bohra authorities have avoid it from spreading.
But It did took place on mentioned dates, No doubt about it.
Second time on 15th may 2011 :--
Mo'jiza in the Rozah Mubaarakah of Saiyedna Ali as Shaheed (aq) for the second time witnessed by the members of Mumenaat Tanzeem Committee today. Scented water oozed from beneath the place of Qabr....
and Its not a fiction story but 100% true incident....Peoples of both the side of splits have witnessed this mo'aziza, on both days.
Only Alavi bohra jamat is talking ab it...There is no such news in dawoodi bohra community...D.bohra authorities have avoid it from spreading.
But It did took place on mentioned dates, No doubt about it.
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Bro Muslim First,Muslim First wrote: Is it Same management who accuse others of destroying graves?
with much pain, i have to admit that this unjust act was done by local d.bohra authories in 1996-1997..but I have also heard that our sydena was not aware of the planned demolition of graves...when he came to know it..He was very unhappy and displeased with the authorities.
Coz is his Era, he has provided privilege to alavi bohras like, they can join our ziyarat and haj tours and their Dai, whenever coming for haj , karbala and other international ziyarat tour, staying in our Faiz only..as a special guest.
There is reason behind demolition of those graves :-
In that particular roza there were 3 graves till 1996-1997. In middle, our common 28th dai Dai.
On right, their 29th dai ( Ali bin ibrahim).
On left, their 30th dai ( Abdul Qadir).
Please Note that Alavi's 29th Dai was GRANDSON of our common 28th dai.
Alavi's 30th Dai was SON of our common 28th dai
Alavi's 30th dai ( Abdul Qadir) was Uncle of their 29th dai ( Ali bin Ibrahim).
Now the thing was that alavis and dawoodi are commonly coming to Ahemdabad for ziyarat and many dawoodi bohras were doing ziyarat of their 29th and 30th syedna unknowingly.. As all the three graves are situated side by side and unknwingly d.bohra ppls use to do ziyarat of all the 3 graves, as that were inside the roza and they were unaware of the history..
But somehow this was not acceptable to dawoodi jamaat. Also, it was hard to explain to dawoodi bohra ziyaratdaars that if we are not supposed to ziyarat those turbats then why these graves are here and whose graves are they ?
Also, since we dawoodi bohra considers Ali Bin Ibrahim as Rafji ( who turned away from truth) and baagi.
According to d.bohra belief, he was responsible for the spilt in the community.
So, At the time of rennovation of Roza mubarak in 1996-1997, local jamat or kothar or dont know on whose order, we have demolished graves of their 29th and 30th sydena.
This had rises anger in the alavi bohra community, they had protested and organised rallies and etc. !!!
Well, Whatsoever be the reason, but certainly the demolition of graves were unjustified and unfair. I admit.
Thats my personal view.
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This mojiza is as much fact as any mojiza performed by any Dawoodi bohra, dead or alive, Dai.
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You will remain an Idiot....People have witnessed with their eyes and have taken that scent in their handkerchief and clothes...If still want to confirm then Go and ask the khaadim, who is doing cleaning work ( Jhaadu/ ponchaa) there...She is a sunni lady and herself witnessed the event with her eyes..anajmi wrote:This mojiza is as much fact as any mojiza performed by any Dawoodi bohra, dead or alive, Dai.
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stranger,
So you are saying that the Alavi mojiza is fact but the dawoodi mojiza that I was referring to are fairy tales? Very good. Now we know who the true Dai is.
So you are saying that the Alavi mojiza is fact but the dawoodi mojiza that I was referring to are fairy tales? Very good. Now we know who the true Dai is.
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Again an idoitic stuff from you. .u have wrote for both, so my counter rply was wrt both sects moa'zizas. .
U dont believe in visting turbats but people are getting graced by doing so. .millions of followers cant be wrong coz just u hv never blessed with it.
Do visit our galiyakot shrine, ppls are getting rid of their problems n miracles do happens by the grace of Allah. .
and,
This time it happend with alavi dai then m accepting yes it did.
I am not dishonest, neither i believe k only d.bohra r jannati.
Being a d.bohra,idealy I could hv state here that No such miracle happend and this is false news. . But it would hvn't changed the fact that it did took place.
Truth is truth, whether its goes ur way or not. .doesnt matter.
U dont believe in visting turbats but people are getting graced by doing so. .millions of followers cant be wrong coz just u hv never blessed with it.
Do visit our galiyakot shrine, ppls are getting rid of their problems n miracles do happens by the grace of Allah. .
and,
This time it happend with alavi dai then m accepting yes it did.
I am not dishonest, neither i believe k only d.bohra r jannati.
Being a d.bohra,idealy I could hv state here that No such miracle happend and this is false news. . But it would hvn't changed the fact that it did took place.
Truth is truth, whether its goes ur way or not. .doesnt matter.
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So you are saying that your Dai is not the sole proprietor of Jannat right? Very good.
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if this mojiza is correct then DB shud build them up kabr of there DAI?
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stranger wrote:Bro Muslim First,Muslim First wrote: Is it Same management who accuse others of destroying graves?
with much pain, i have to admit that this unjust act was done by local d.bohra authories in 1996-1997..but I have also heard that our sydena was not aware of the planned demolition of graves...when he came to know it..He was very unhappy and displeased with the authorities.
Coz is his Era, he has provided privilege to alavi bohras like, they can join our ziyarat and haj tours and their Dai, whenever coming for haj , karbala and other international ziyarat tour, staying in our Faiz only..as a special guest.
There is reason behind demolition of those graves :-
In that particular roza there were 3 graves till 1996-1997. In middle, our common 28th dai Dai.
On right, their 29th dai ( Ali bin ibrahim).
On left, their 30th dai ( Abdul Qadir).
Please Note that Alavi's 29th Dai was GRANDSON of our common 28th dai.
Alavi's 30th Dai was SON of our common 28th dai
Alavi's 30th dai ( Abdul Qadir) was Uncle of their 29th dai ( Ali bin Ibrahim).
Now the thing was that alavis and dawoodi are commonly coming to Ahemdabad for ziyarat and many dawoodi bohras were doing ziyarat of their 29th and 30th syedna unknowingly.. As all the three graves are situated side by side and unknwingly d.bohra ppls use to do ziyarat of all the 3 graves, as that were inside the roza and they were unaware of the history..
But somehow this was not acceptable to dawoodi jamaat. Also, it was hard to explain to dawoodi bohra ziyaratdaars that if we are not supposed to ziyarat those turbats then why these graves are here and whose graves are they ?
Also, since we dawoodi bohra considers Ali Bin Ibrahim as Rafji ( who turned away from truth) and baagi.
According to d.bohra belief, he was responsible for the spilt in the community.
So, At the time of rennovation of Roza mubarak in 1996-1997, local jamat or kothar or dont know on whose order, we have demolished graves of their 29th and 30th sydena.
This had rises anger in the alavi bohra community, they had protested and organised rallies and etc. !!!
Well, Whatsoever be the reason, but certainly the demolition of graves were unjustified and unfair. I admit.
Thats my personal view.
not even a single brick is constructed or demolished without the raza of syedna....then how come whole turbat was made shaheed without knowledge or raza of syedna?
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This is third idiotic statement..Either you dont understand english or you just trying to play around with words.anajmi wrote:So you are saying that your Dai is not the sole proprietor of Jannat right? Very good.
I wrote very clearly what i had to..Understanding level is urs.
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Its not ab moazi'za's correctfullness...Anyway, On fair ground, I personally feels that it should be rebuild..labbaikyaHussain wrote:if this mojiza is correct then DB shud build them up kabr of there DAI?
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That all i dont know mann... I just shared the information, i had.labbaikyaHussain wrote: not even a single brick is constructed or demolished without the raza of syedna....then how come whole turbat was made shaheed without knowledge or raza of syedna?
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stranger,
I have clearly understood what you have written. You have written that it is possible for other Dai of other bohra sects to perform miracles and that the Dawoodi Bohra Dai is not the sole proprietor of these miracles.
You also said
There were hundreds of idols in Kaaba and meccans believed in them. I guess they couldn't be wrong either right? Oh, but I guess turbats are different from idols right?
I have clearly understood what you have written. You have written that it is possible for other Dai of other bohra sects to perform miracles and that the Dawoodi Bohra Dai is not the sole proprietor of these miracles.
You also said
There are thousands or even hundreds of thousands of turbats in India and millions of followers believe in them. So since people believe in them, then they cannot be wrong so that would mean that the Dai does not have the sole proprietorship of Jannah. Which is very good to know because it is very difficult for a Dawoodi Bohra to accept that. Most abdes believe in the Tawheed of the Dai.U dont believe in visting turbats but people are getting graced by doing so. .millions of followers cant be wrong coz just u hv never blessed with it.
There were hundreds of idols in Kaaba and meccans believed in them. I guess they couldn't be wrong either right? Oh, but I guess turbats are different from idols right?
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Br Anajmi wrote' I guess turbats are different from idols right?'
Remember their are two kinds of Sajda!
Remember their are two kinds of Sajda!
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Forget about DAI or any sect of bohras....there are number of sufi and sunni saints dargah where real miracles happens.
but dont get amazed if u find panjatan name written on there turbat or dargah....u will never find names of those three maloons on any of these places.
but dont get amazed if u find panjatan name written on there turbat or dargah....u will never find names of those three maloons on any of these places.
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That is correct as the first three do not have idol worshipping followers. Unfortunately for the Ahle Bayt they became idols for idol worshippers, hence you see their names on these turbats and dargahs.
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anajmi wrote:That is correct as the first three do not have idol worshipping followers. Unfortunately for the Ahle Bayt they became idols for idol worshippers, hence you see their names on these turbats and dargahs.
no body can do miracle but ALLAH.and these miracles happen by the shafaat of ahlul bayt coz they are the truth.
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So Allah needs shafaat of ahlul bayt to do these miracles because they are the truth? Need more evidence of idol worshipping?
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Most of the idols are on T.V.
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anajmi,anajmi wrote:So Allah needs shafaat of ahlul bayt to do these miracles because they are the truth? Need more evidence of idol worshipping?
This is ur idiotic argument no. 4...Labbaik clearly mentioned that only Allah can do miracles, Nobody else can.
Allah don't need shafaat, but we sinners do.
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Well,anajmi wrote:stranger,
I have clearly understood what you have written. You have written that it is possible for other Dai of other bohra sects to perform miracles and that the Dawoodi Bohra Dai is not the sole proprietor of these miracles.
There are thousands or even hundreds of thousands of turbats in India and millions of followers believe in them. So since people believe in them, then they cannot be wrong so that would mean that the Dai does not have the sole proprietorship of Jannah. Which is very good to know because it is very difficult for a Dawoodi Bohra to accept that. Most abdes believe in the Tawheed of the Dai.
i am a dawoodi bohra, but i believe nothing unless it agrees with my own reason and my own common sense...
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Stranger
You do not need Shiffat from dead people.
Allah says he is closer then your Jagular vain. He is aware of your every thought. He knows your every desire.Allah don't need shafaat, but we sinners do.
You do not need Shiffat from dead people.
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Ask only Allah’s help
Ahmad 1:293
Imam Ahmad recorded that Ibn Abbas said that he rode the Prophet SAW’s Camel while sitting behind the Prophet SAW and the Messenger of the Allah SAW said to him,
((( O boy! I will teach you words [so learn them]. Be mindful of Allah and he will protect you, be mindful of Allah and he will be on your side. If you ask, ask Allah, if you seek help, seek it from Allah. Know that if Ummah gather their strength to bring you benefit, they will never bring you benefit, except that which Allah has decreed for you. Know that if they gather their strength to harm you, they will never harm you, except that which Allah has decreed for you. The pens have been raised and the pages are dry.)))
Ahmad 1:293
Imam Ahmad recorded that Ibn Abbas said that he rode the Prophet SAW’s Camel while sitting behind the Prophet SAW and the Messenger of the Allah SAW said to him,
((( O boy! I will teach you words [so learn them]. Be mindful of Allah and he will protect you, be mindful of Allah and he will be on your side. If you ask, ask Allah, if you seek help, seek it from Allah. Know that if Ummah gather their strength to bring you benefit, they will never bring you benefit, except that which Allah has decreed for you. Know that if they gather their strength to harm you, they will never harm you, except that which Allah has decreed for you. The pens have been raised and the pages are dry.)))
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THE ESSAY- On praying to anybody except Allah SWT
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Muslim First wrote:Ask only Allah’s help
Ahmad 1:293
Imam Ahmad recorded that Ibn Abbas said that he rode the Prophet SAW’s Camel while sitting behind the Prophet SAW and the Messenger of the Allah SAW said to him,
((( O boy! I will teach you words [so learn them]. Be mindful of Allah and he will protect you, be mindful of Allah and he will be on your side. If you ask, ask Allah, if you seek help, seek it from Allah. Know that if Ummah gather their strength to bring you benefit, they will never bring you benefit, except that which Allah has decreed for you. Know that if they gather their strength to harm you, they will never harm you, except that which Allah has decreed for you. The pens have been raised and the pages are dry.)))
Not for one moment, do we divert from seeking help from Allah alone, in Tawassul. The ultimate power lies in His Hands alone, it is He alone who grants and takes away, is what Tawassul is based on. Tawassul is only to bring you closer to Allah, so that your Dua may be accepted. The use of this waseela (the root meaning of which is 'getting closer') is commanded in the Qu'ran, for the same purpose (of seeking nearness to Allah):
{5: يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ اتَّقُواْ اللّهَ وَابْتَغُواْ إِلَيهِ الْوَسِيلَةَ وَجَاهِدُواْ فِي سَبِيلِهِ لَعَلَّكُمْ تُفْلِحُونَ} {35}
O you who believe! be careful of (your duty to) Allah and seek means of nearness to Him and strive hard in His way that you may be successful. (5:35)
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And reckon not those who are killed in Allah's way as dead; nay, they are alive (and) are provided sustenance from their Lord (3:169)Muslim First wrote:
You do not need Shiffat from dead people.