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from yesterday the local administration started demolishing houses and shops of bohras which includes many historical buildings where 52nd 51st and many previous dais had stayed, on famous qamri marg . the purpose of it the municipality says is to smooth the traffic for kumbh mela that is to be held in 2016. thre road is bneing widen 15 meter. qamri marg is the road where the main roza and aamil residence and office is located. anybody who have visited ujjain knows that it is the city full of small lanes. from mela's point of view qamri marg is very insignificant road. andar ki baat is that for many years kothar wanted to develop the ujjain roza on the lines of burhanpur but due to dense population of bohras and also due to the fact that bohras there are not so timid they have not succeded, plan was to have the main gate of roza on the main street and now with the support of govt. they have succeded. bohras here agreed to widen the road but not 15 meter and they did oppose it powerfully but no one from amils or jamaat supported them though from sayedna to amils every body has very cordial relationship with the BJP government at bhopal. the height of complicity is such that before demolishing of houses began , the mayor and the minister paras jain came to roza and had a meeting there. brothers, with tears in my eyes i informed you all that on that road there are many many poor bohras who were small shopkeeper who are now without earning and many bohras whose houses demolished. and it is on these days when taabudaat is celebrated and board exams going on. just a phone call from mumbai to CM shivraj singh chouhan would have averted all this .

blue wrote:from yesterday the local administration started demolishing houses and shops of bohras which includes many historical buildings where 52nd 51st and many previous dais had stayed, on famous qamri marg.

Hi Blue
Thanks for posting. Do you have any pictures of this houses, lanes and historical building. Its always fascinating to see how life was many many years ago.
Its very fascinating to see old old pictures of place we see nowdays. With our community context. I wanna know how our previous Dai lived in various cities. I wish we had a collection of pictures of our dai and their wayt of life who lived before.

blue wrote:from sayedna to amils every body has very cordial relationship with the BJP government at bhopal.

Has the dai draped a shawl around MP CM also ? Anyways its 'chor ka bhai ghanti chor'.

blue wrote:with tears in my eyes i informed you all that on that road there are many many poor bohras who were small shopkeeper who are now without earning and many bohras whose houses demolished

So much for the tall claims of being the shafiqi bawa of bohras. This bawa is only interested in safeguarding his own assets whether it be in MP or gujarat, all this crap about bribing govts for community's sake is all bullshit.

blue wrote:just a phone call from mumbai to CM shivraj singh chouhan would have averted all this

The dai doesnt use his contacts for his rayyats, it is only for himself and his zaadas.

blue wrote:with tears in my eyes i informed you all that on that road there are many many poor bohras who were small shopkeeper who are now without earning and many bohras whose houses demolished

blue wrote:just a phone call from mumbai to CM shivraj singh chouhan would have averted all this

Bohra homes, shops and livlihood are being razed to the ground and the Muhafiz and Rehnuma of the community is nowhere to be seen. Hey Faustus and Nalwalas, weren't you claiming that Sayedna plays footsie with Modi and Thakray and other criminals for the benefit of the community? What happened now? Did he run out shawls and evelops? My conjecture is that may be the mafia clergy stands to benefit from this demolition and is thus sitting this one out.

Humsafar wrote:Bohra homes, shops and livlihood are being razed to the ground and the Muhafiz and Rehnuma of the community is nowhere to be seen

Who said he is nowhere to be seen ??? Dont you watch the kothar sponsored websites ? He was everywhere doing IMMENSE "Dawat Ni Khidmat" by way of fattening his purse thru multiple ziafats, mafsusiyats, hadiyats etc etc. See how religiously he is performing his duty as an able dai and rehnuma as per fatimid literature !!!

Humsafar wrote:

blue wrote:with tears in my eyes i informed you all that on that road there are many many poor bohras who were small shopkeeper who are now without earning and many bohras whose houses demolished

blue wrote:just a phone call from mumbai to CM shivraj singh chouhan would have averted all this

Bohra homes, shops and livlihood are being razed to the ground and the Muhafiz and Rehnuma of the community is nowhere to be seen. Hey Faustus and Nalwalas, weren't you claiming that Sayedna plays footsie with Modi and Thakray and other criminals for the benefit of the community? What happened now? Did he run out shawls and evelops? My conjecture is that may be the mafia clergy stands to benefit from this demolition and is thus sitting this one out.

Is Ujjain in Gujrat or Maharashtra?

blue wrote:from yesterday the local administration started demolishing houses and shops of bohras which includes many historical buildings where 52nd 51st and many previous dais had stayed, on famous qamri marg . the purpose of it the municipality says is to smooth the traffic for kumbh mela that is to be held in 2016. thre road is bneing widen 15 meter. qamri marg is the road where the main roza and aamil residence and office is located. anybody who have visited ujjain knows that it is the city full of small lanes. from mela's point of view qamri marg is very insignificant road. andar ki baat is that for many years kothar wanted to develop the ujjain roza on the lines of burhanpur but due to dense population of bohras and also due to the fact that bohras there are not so timid they have not succeded, plan was to have the main gate of roza on the main street and now with the support of govt. they have succeded. bohras here agreed to widen the road but not 15 meter and they did oppose it powerfully but no one from amils or jamaat supported them though from sayedna to amils every body has very cordial relationship with the BJP government at bhopal. the height of complicity is such that before demolishing of houses began , the mayor and the minister paras jain came to roza and had a meeting there. brothers, with tears in my eyes i informed you all that on that road there are many many poor bohras who were small shopkeeper who are now without earning and many bohras whose houses demolished. and it is on these days when taabudaat is celebrated and board exams going on. just a phone call from mumbai to CM shivraj singh chouhan would have averted all this .

f@#$ you criminal minded moron.....

why are u stating half baked story....those who will lose there vaipaar they will get support and a business place from kothar,till now in no city kothar have aquired any thing without giving back to people.

revertbohra wrote:why are u stating half baked story....those who will lose there vaipaar they will get support and a business place from kothar,till now in no city kothar have aquired any thing without giving back to people.

RB
Can you provide the fully baked story, what has or will kothar do to rehabilitate those who will lose their vepaar or homes.

humanbeing wrote:

revertbohra wrote:why are u stating half baked story....those who will lose there vaipaar they will get support and a business place from kothar,till now in no city kothar have aquired any thing without giving back to people.

RB
Can you provide the fully baked story, what has or will kothar do to rehabilitate those who will lose their vepaar or homes.

better contact some body from Ujjain....they wil provide you the real story.

भास्कर संवाददाता त्न उज्जैन

कमरी मार्ग चौड़ीकरण के चलते रहवासी बिजली, पानी को तरस गए। सोमवार को देर रात तक बिजली बंद रही और मंगलवार सुबह कई घरों में पानी नहीं आया। मकानों की तुड़ाई और मलबे के कारण आवागमन अवरुद्ध है। तैय्यबी स्कूल के विद्यार्थियों और परीक्षा देने आने वाले बच्चों की मुश्किलें बढ़ गई हैं।

सिंहस्थ 2016 की तैयारी के क्रम में सोमवार से कमरी मार्ग पर कार्रवाई शुरू की गई है। ढाबा रोड से केडी गेट तक करीब 342 मीटर लंबे मार्ग को औसत 7 मीटर से 15 मीटर चौड़ा किया जा रहा है। मंगलवार सुबह 7 से शाम 6 बजे तक चली कार्रवाई में 107 मकानों में तुड़ाई हुई। जिनमें लकड़ी के नक्काशीदार 150 साल पुराने मकान भी थे। देखते ही देखते निगम की मशीनों ने भवनों को धराशायी कर दिया। तीन मंजिला भवनों की छतों पर रहवासी स्वयं और मजदूरों से तुड़ाई करा रहे थे इसके बावजूद निगम गैंग के लोगों ने हस्तक्षेप किया तो लोग भड़क गए। अनेक बार निगम अधिकारियों को इनकी शिकायत की गई। कलेक्टर डॉ.एम.गीता और एसपी राकेश गुप्ता ने भी कार्रवाई का निरीक्षण किया।

सामान और लोहा चोरी : रहवासियों ने निगम और पुलिस अधिकारियों को शिकायत की कि रात में कुछ लोग सामान चुरा रहे हैं। सुबह तुड़ाई के दौरान मलबे में से गर्डर, सरिए, एंगल, बिजली के केबल, मीटर चोरी की शिकायतें भी की गईं।

कांगे्रस का विरोध : शहर कांगे्रस ने चौड़ीकरण के नाम पर बोहरा समाज के साथ अन्याय करने का आरोप लगाया है। अध्यक्ष अनंतनारायण मीणा व जिलाध्यक्ष जयसिंह दरबार ने निगम कार्रवाई की निंदा की है।

निगमकर्मियों की ज्यादती पर आक्रोश जताते रहवासी।

हर तरफ परेशानी

बिजली : सुबह 7 बजे से बिजली बंद होने से लोग पानी तक नहीं भर सके। केबलें टूट जाने से देर रात तक अंधेरे में रहना पड़ा। मंगलवार रात तक निगम और विद्युत वितरण कंपनी के लोग केबलें जोडऩे में लगे थे।

पानी : पेयजल पाइप लाइनें गटरों से होकर जा रही हैं। मलबा गिरने से अनेक जगह पाइप लाइनें फूट गईं। इससे घरों में पानी नहीं पहुंचा।

आवागमन : कमरी मार्ग पर तुड़ाई और मलबे के कारण आवागमन बंद था। लोग गेबी साहब की गली, डग्गरवाड़ी, अंडा गली और कमरूबाग की गली का उपयोग करते रहे जिससे इन सकरी गलियों में भी जाम रहा। ढाबारोड और केडी गेट की तरफ से यातायात बंद होने से भार्गव तिराहे, गोपाल मंदिर, टंकी चौराहा पर वाहनों का भार बढ़ गया था।

मजारे नजमी के यात्री परेशान : मजारे नजमी पर बाहर से आने वाले यात्रियों को पहुंचने में काफी दिक्कतें आईं। तुड़ाई के कारण अन्य बाखलों के रहवासी भी नहीं पहुंच सके।

पढाई और परीक्षा भी प्रभावित

कमरी मार्ग पर स्थित तैय्यबी गल्र्स हायर सेकेंडरी स्कूल में लोकल परीक्षाएं भी चल रही हैं। यहां करीब 550 बालिकाएं पढऩे आती हैं। हालाकि अभी स्कूल भवन में तुड़ाई नहीं हो रही लेकिन पूरे मार्ग पर कार्रवाई होने से आवागमन बंद है। छात्राओं को अंडा गली की ओर स्थित दरवाजे से स्कूल में आना पड़ रहा है। शिक्षक शेख जोएब भाई के अनुसार स्कूल में पानी और बिजली भी नहीं मिल रही। तुड़ाई के चलते धूल का गुबार कक्षाओं में भर जाने से पढ़ाई नहीं हो रही। धार्मिक शिक्षा केंद्र बंद- स्कूल में शाम को दिनी तालीम सेंटर चलाया जाता है। जिसमें छोटे बच्चे धार्मिक शिक्षा लेने आते हैं। तुड़ाई के चलते सेंटर 8 दिन के लिए बंद कर दिया है।

आज 6 घंटे कार्रवाई

प्रभारी निगमायुक्तएसएस राठौर के अनुसार बुधवार को कमरी मार्ग पर सुबह 8 से दोपहर 1 बजे तक तुड़ाई होगी। इसके बाद मलबा उठाने और गटरों की सफाई का काम शुरू होगा। शाम 4 बजे बाद काम खत्म किया जाएगा।

7 ने मांगा मुआवजा
निगम के अस्थायी कार्यालय में मंगलवार को 17 लोगों ने मुआवजे तथा 7 लोगों ने शिकायती आवेदन दिए हैं। आवेदनों में किराएदार-मकान मालिक विवाद, भवन पर जबरन कब्जा करने, असामाजिक तत्वों द्वारा तोडफ़ोड़ करने की शिकायतें हैं। मस्जिद कमेटी व पास के दुकनदार का विवाद भी कलेक्टर के पास पहुंचा।

भवनों की तुड़ाई के बाद मंगलवार को कमरी मार्ग भूकंप प्रभावित इलाके की तरह नजर आया। फोटो शाहिद खान

RB

Now tell me, is there even a need to call Kothar and ask ? Nowhere in the news report, its mentioned about kothar or any bohra is being helped by community. If kothar was helping worth a penny also, this news would have been read differently, it would have been advertising opportunity for kothar to express how much they are reaching to commoners. In past kothar usually does not miss any publicity opportunity through wordly medias.

As these news catches fire and attention, kothar and local jamats will be get involved to become knights in shining armour on the face or to save face. Nevertheless it would be relieving if kothar wishes to mediate in this matter and resolve the issue.

i am from ujjain but have shop in nearby village. is'nt it great that this forum is being reached and read in such remote small towns and villages? just a little more effort is needed to make this site more popular among bohras. we are all mainstream bohras who obey all orders and farmans from jamaat , go regularly to jamaat khanas and discuss the issue raised here , some we agree ,some not ... but it is very important for competent religious authorities to know that nothing should be taken for granted.

revertbohra wrote:

humanbeing wrote: RB
Can you provide the fully baked story, what has or will kothar do to rehabilitate those who will lose their vepaar or homes.

better contact some body from Ujjain....they wil provide you the real story.

profastian wrote:Is Ujjain in Gujrat or Maharashtra?

That is precisely the point Faustian. Looks like the mafia clergy does not have any "business" interest in Madhya Pradesh, and so having not much at stake it does not feel the need to cultivate and befriend local criminal bosses. As for local mumineen, the message from the Rehnuma and Muhafiz is clear: go fly a kite.
blue, good to know that this site is reaching out to Bohras in remote corners. More power to the power of truth.

Humsafar wrote:

profastian wrote:Is Ujjain in Gujrat or Maharashtra?

That is precisely the point Faustian. Looks like the mafia clergy does not have any "business" interest in Madhya Pradesh, and so having not much at stake it does not feel the need to cultivate and befriend local criminal bosses. As for local mumineen, the message from the Rehnuma and Muhafiz is clear: go fly a kite.
blue, good to know that this site is reaching out to Bohras in remote corners. More power to the power of truth.

So should we befriend these politicians or not? Make up your mind

profastian wrote: So should we befriend these politicians or not? Make up your mind

Genius, my point is that your masters would have befriended them long ago if it was in their interest to do so. As for my advice, I think they should, they are comortable in that kind of company (or as AZ would say, chor ka bhai ghanti chor).

even if kothar is involve in all this demolition there is nothing wrong....saudi goverenment is also extending haram shareef and all the people arround haram are asked to vacant those places and move away to some place,they have handsomly paid to all of them,this is what kothar does,if the extension is required,and even momeenin shud understand and give support to this cause.

revertbohra wrote:
even if kothar is involve in all this demolition there is nothing wrong....,this is what kothar does,... momeenin shud understand and give support to this cause.

i rest my case...!!

Reverse Bohra - why do you give example of Saudi Arabia, per your masters they are ALL WRONG and EVIL, so you should NOT be doing what they are DOING or DO .............!!!

These Kotharis will do anything for Money and Power .......... they will even sell their mothers!!! The keeray makoray abdes have no value in their eyes .............

No need to cry over spill milk. People who are from Ujjain or know the place can vouch that its a very common thing there when buildings are cleared to make way for Sihansth or Kumbh mela held every 12 years. People in the past have also lost their homes and shops but were compensated which will be the case this time also.

Thanks Mustafa,

Appreciated your concern.

mustafanalwalla wrote:

asad wrote:No need to cry over spill milk. People who are from Ujjain or know the place can vouch that its a very common thing there when buildings are cleared to make way for Sihansth or Kumbh mela held every 12 years. People in the past have also lost their homes and shops but were compensated which will be the case this time also.

Well, thats good to hear.

Who compensates them? The state?

off course state. have you heard Kothar compensating anyone.

asad wrote: People who are from Ujjain or know the place can vouch that its a very common thing there when buildings are cleared to make way for Sihansth or Kumbh mela held every 12 years. People in the past have also lost their homes and shops but were compensated which will be the case this time also.

in last 60 years only two roads , malipura about 6 years ago and mirza naim beg marg some 45 years ago have been widened. these two roads were main roads that connects hindu pilgrimage site. but this road kamri marg has no significance either for kumbh mela or hindu pilgrim site though dargah of 3 dais are situated there. though it was a congested road but there was no need to widen it to 25 meter, people were ready if some portion of their buildings get demolished but here many people have lost their shops and homes completely. as regard to state compensation , yes they promised, but it is very little compared to loss , and will be paid to owners, there were many rented shops and homes there, who will get nothing. alarming fact was that in agitation against road widening only those people participated who were going to loose, there were no co operation from other bohras or jamaat members.

mustafanalwalla wrote:
then in that case, my offer and suggestion still stand Admin, any chance of setting up a fund?

here is what you said earlier..

mustafanalwalla wrote: ..
saying that kothar is not doing anything is unfair.

then in that case, shouldn't you be fair and contribute to the excellent kothari fund set up for poor, affected bohras, administered by your mojiza na saheb?

@blue,
The information i provided was relayed to me by a local from Ujjain, it might not be entirely correct.
Please inform why other Bohras didnt come out to help their brethren in distress and how Dargah management will gain from this. How People are coping up with their losses, are their any hands on offer to fall back on.

NO SALAAM
I read all the post related to ujjain destruction. This is a normal CHORIKARAN PROJECT. In that area with bohras, hindu, muslim, jain communities are living and both suffer from this development project, Why u all connect this government concern with Dai AALE MOHAMMED SAYEDNA MOHAMMED BURHANUDDIN (TUS). Use ur education for any construction not for destruction. We Bohra have deep faith in Sayedna(TUS) and dont hurt our faith . plz leave it we r very very very happy under the blessing of our dai(tus). ALLAH SUBHANAHU may grant long an healthy life TO OUR BELEOVED MOULA(TUS) AND HIS MANSUS
(TUS).

This is sad ,

I am not clear what is kumb mela?

Why was this not protected as a historic heritage site? Is there something similar rule in India ?

If kothar wanted access to the dargah they should have made a fly over or tunnel? That would show their engineering talent?

The destruction in the photo is something one sees in war zone.

We seem to raise the importance of tombs of the dead over the welfare of living, that is a sad fact of this cult.

Where is the elected politician ? Can he not be made to explain the represent ? If not make him or punish him at the election.

About sayedna standing up for the locals ? Please when have you recently seen this! Why do you foolishly think if he even tries he has no clout.

We seem to raise the importance of tombs of the dead over the welfare of living, that is a sad fact of this cult.

Tombs generate lot of Mulas. Who gives s@#% about welfare of living,

mamluke sayedna(TUS) wrote:
NO SALAAM We Bohra have deep faith in Sayedna(TUS) and...

NO SALAAM

yes, abde regressives have deep faith in the shirk that the dai indulges in and the kufr he teaches you. glad you are so happy!