Adam, please respond to this post
Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 11:17 am
Adam,
Please respond to this post. Since you believe in starting a separate thread for every topic I am starting this new thread for you.
You have been asking a lot of questions to the reformists’ in-order to validate and verify their faith as per Dawoodi bohra religious beliefs. Now from what I understand Dawoodi Bohra is one of the Muslim sects that do recite Kalma, pay zakat, fast in Ramadaan, go to hajj and pray Namaz. And based on these facts they consider themselves as Muslims. When you call yourself a Muslim you have to abide by the basic laws of Islam that are clearly mentioned in the holy Quran. Bohras consider Syedna as their intercessor who will hold their hand and lead them to Jannat. Bohras also perform sajda to Syedna and worship him. They pray compulsory two rakat namaz for his health and long life. Bohras are so crazy for Syedna that if you give them a choice between praying namaz and syedna’s kadam boshi they will choose the later. Some of my close relatives are hard core followers of syedna and since they are doing extremely well they have given ziyafats to Syedna. They strongly believe that since Syedna has blessed them and have had meals in their homes he has almost pre-approved their entry to heaven. Most bohras keep syedna’s photos in their homes, shops, offices etc. My uncle kisses his photo after every namaz indirectly indicating that his namaz will not be accepted unless he also pays his respects to his Dai. There are various other actions and deeds performed by bohras that indicate that the Dai has extreme significance in the life of a bohra similar to that of Allah in the life of a Muslim.
Since bohras believe in Islam and consider themselves as Muslims do you think that their faith in Dai is justified in the light of following ayahs of holy Quran?
[7:194] Do they associate with Him as partners those who create nothing, and are themselves created? And they can give them no help, nor can they help themselves.
[7:193] And if you call them to guidance, they will not follow you. It is the same to you whether you call them or you remain silent.
[7:195] Surely, those whom you call on beside Allah are mere servants like you. Then call on them and let them answer you, if you are truthful.
[7:196] Have they feet wherewith they walk, or have they hands wherewith they hold, or have they eyes wherewith they see, or have they ears wherewith they hear? Say, ‘Call upon the partners you associate with God, then contrive ye all against me, and give me no time.
[7:197] ‘Truly, my protector is Allah who revealed the Book. And He protects the righteous.
[7:198] ‘And they whom you call on beside Him have no power to help you, nor can they help themselves.’
[7:199] And if you invite them to guidance, they hear not. And thou seest them looking towards thee, but they see not.
[3:79] Never would a human being whom god blessed with the scripture and prophet hood say to the people, "Idolize me beside god." Instead, (he would say), "Devote yourselves absolutely to your Lord alone," according to the scripture you preach and the teachings you learn.
[18:102] Do those who disbelieve think that they can get away with setting up My servants as gods beside Me? We have prepared for the disbelievers Hell as an eternal abode.
[10:19] And they worship, instead of Allah, that which neither harms them nor profits them; and they say, ‘These are our intercessors with Allah.’ Say, ‘Would you inform Allah of something He knows not in the heavens or in the earth?’ Holy is He, and high exalted above all that which they associate with Him.
[14:22] And the devil will say, after the judgment had been issued, "god has promised you the truthful promise, and I promised you, but I broke my promise. I had no power over you; I simply invited you, and you accepted my invitation. Therefore, do not blame me, and blame only yourselves. My complaining cannot help you, nor can your complaining help me. I have disbelieved in your idolizing me. The transgressors have incurred a painful retribution."
This last ayah is for worshipping the dead. Bohras are so fond of doing ziayarat of their dead Dais that they visit their graves in herds and keep doing the ziayarats again and again during their lifetime. Syedna encourages bohras to go and visit as many Rozas as possible and do ziyarat of each and every Dai.
[16:20-21] And those on whom they call beside Allah create not anything, but they are themselves created. They are dead, not alive, and they have no idea how or when they will be resurrected.
Please respond to this post. Since you believe in starting a separate thread for every topic I am starting this new thread for you.
You have been asking a lot of questions to the reformists’ in-order to validate and verify their faith as per Dawoodi bohra religious beliefs. Now from what I understand Dawoodi Bohra is one of the Muslim sects that do recite Kalma, pay zakat, fast in Ramadaan, go to hajj and pray Namaz. And based on these facts they consider themselves as Muslims. When you call yourself a Muslim you have to abide by the basic laws of Islam that are clearly mentioned in the holy Quran. Bohras consider Syedna as their intercessor who will hold their hand and lead them to Jannat. Bohras also perform sajda to Syedna and worship him. They pray compulsory two rakat namaz for his health and long life. Bohras are so crazy for Syedna that if you give them a choice between praying namaz and syedna’s kadam boshi they will choose the later. Some of my close relatives are hard core followers of syedna and since they are doing extremely well they have given ziyafats to Syedna. They strongly believe that since Syedna has blessed them and have had meals in their homes he has almost pre-approved their entry to heaven. Most bohras keep syedna’s photos in their homes, shops, offices etc. My uncle kisses his photo after every namaz indirectly indicating that his namaz will not be accepted unless he also pays his respects to his Dai. There are various other actions and deeds performed by bohras that indicate that the Dai has extreme significance in the life of a bohra similar to that of Allah in the life of a Muslim.
Since bohras believe in Islam and consider themselves as Muslims do you think that their faith in Dai is justified in the light of following ayahs of holy Quran?
[7:194] Do they associate with Him as partners those who create nothing, and are themselves created? And they can give them no help, nor can they help themselves.
[7:193] And if you call them to guidance, they will not follow you. It is the same to you whether you call them or you remain silent.
[7:195] Surely, those whom you call on beside Allah are mere servants like you. Then call on them and let them answer you, if you are truthful.
[7:196] Have they feet wherewith they walk, or have they hands wherewith they hold, or have they eyes wherewith they see, or have they ears wherewith they hear? Say, ‘Call upon the partners you associate with God, then contrive ye all against me, and give me no time.
[7:197] ‘Truly, my protector is Allah who revealed the Book. And He protects the righteous.
[7:198] ‘And they whom you call on beside Him have no power to help you, nor can they help themselves.’
[7:199] And if you invite them to guidance, they hear not. And thou seest them looking towards thee, but they see not.
[3:79] Never would a human being whom god blessed with the scripture and prophet hood say to the people, "Idolize me beside god." Instead, (he would say), "Devote yourselves absolutely to your Lord alone," according to the scripture you preach and the teachings you learn.
[18:102] Do those who disbelieve think that they can get away with setting up My servants as gods beside Me? We have prepared for the disbelievers Hell as an eternal abode.
[10:19] And they worship, instead of Allah, that which neither harms them nor profits them; and they say, ‘These are our intercessors with Allah.’ Say, ‘Would you inform Allah of something He knows not in the heavens or in the earth?’ Holy is He, and high exalted above all that which they associate with Him.
[14:22] And the devil will say, after the judgment had been issued, "god has promised you the truthful promise, and I promised you, but I broke my promise. I had no power over you; I simply invited you, and you accepted my invitation. Therefore, do not blame me, and blame only yourselves. My complaining cannot help you, nor can your complaining help me. I have disbelieved in your idolizing me. The transgressors have incurred a painful retribution."
This last ayah is for worshipping the dead. Bohras are so fond of doing ziayarat of their dead Dais that they visit their graves in herds and keep doing the ziayarats again and again during their lifetime. Syedna encourages bohras to go and visit as many Rozas as possible and do ziyarat of each and every Dai.
[16:20-21] And those on whom they call beside Allah create not anything, but they are themselves created. They are dead, not alive, and they have no idea how or when they will be resurrected.
