Reformists and their Social Life

[Gulf]

My Queston to prgressives

How do you maintain your social status, I mean If progressive girl fallen in love with dawoodi bohra boy and want to get married with him and convert herself to dawoodi bohras true path subsequently...in this case do you greet and welcome her choice or is this kind of marriage is fruitless in according to your society?

[Humsafar]

Progressive or otherwise, both are dawoodi bohras. We've had several such alliances in Udaipur, and normally it's the girl that end's up changing her allegiance. If a progressive girl goes into an ortho family she becomes an ortho and vice versa. Parents normally stand their ground, though in some cases it's progressive parents who have gone into the ortho fold but very rarely have orthos become progressive.

[accountability]

To start with, this was an unwise question. A marriage is a contract between man and woman, and they have to abide by it in any social order. Marriage is more social then religious.

In religion islam, the marriage can be solmnized verbally, without a written contract, and still be valid. But for social reasons, a written contract is needed.

According to any religion, the girl and the boy cannot be refused nikah or marriage. Islam allows marriage between people of book. Bohras (ones the blind supporters or moderate and thinking ones) are muslims, and muslim family law applies to them.

[tahir]

Everyone in my family is married to 'dawoodi bohra' girls. So sad, we converted them from noorani 'true path' to our progressive 'satanic path'..

[Gulf]

Originally posted by tahir:
Everyone in my family is married to 'dawoodi bohra' girls. So sad, we converted them from noorani 'true path' to our progressive 'satanic path'.

Tahirbhai Lier, You missed something
what about your's Girls all are unmarried?????

[HUSAIN_HQ]

I believe that these days there is minor or no difference betweeen Prograssive and --- Bohras in their social status.
But there is one little difference between them earlier one posses brain!!

[S. Insaf]

Social life includes many other aspects. Not confined to marriage.
I know most of the Dawoodi Bohras are not prepared to leave the corrupt and tyrannical fold because of two major problems: Marriage and Death especially when they have marriageable close relatives and old parents.
For such people I would like to say that I am in reform movement since 1964 before my marriage. I faced no problem for my marriage. My wife Zainab is a Dawoodi Bohra and our Nikah was performed by Sayedna Burhanuddin Saheb’s maternal uncle, Sayedi Ismail bhai Saheb Luqmani.
My mother Maryam bai had died when I was just 5 years old but my father Nazar Ali died 10 years back in Ujjain and he was buried in Bohra Kabrastan.
My eldest son Dr. Shahid Insaf and Dr. Shabana’s Nikah was performed by Kothar’s Amil Shaikh Ali Asghar. My second son Sajid Insaf’ and Farida were performed by a progressive Mulla Saheb Shaikh Taherbhai Lokhandwala.
Dr. Asgar Ali’s Daughter Seema is married to one Fakhruddin Indorewala. His son Irfan Engineer though were offered proposal from many Bohra girls but he preferred and married his colleague Sandhiya through court marriage.
Asgar Ali’s father Shaikh Qurban Husain, an Amil of Sayedna had died before he joined the reform movement in 1973 after the outrageous violent attack on Bohra women in Galiakot in the presence of Sayedna Burhanuddin Saheb. But his mother died recently and was buried in Kurla Bohra Kabrastan.
That is the case with many other progressive Bohras.
Even the dead body of Noam Lukmamji Contractor was buried in Kurla Bohra Kabrastan.
It is all the matter of individual’s choice. Some fight for their rights and some refer to compromise with the situation. Some get the Nikah performed by Muslim Qazis and bury their dead in Sunni Shia graveyards.

One interesting incident in brief:
I received a phon call from one Amiji from Amreli. He said “Saifuddin bhai my daughter Fehmi (Fehmida) contacted some boy in U.K. through internet and now they want to get married. Problem? He said but the boy is from your group and Amreli Amil has refused to perform Nikah. My brother, Yahya says that you can help me. One more thing since I want my peace here the Nikah should be by a Kothar’s Amil.”
I called them to my place in Bombay brought Amil from Thane and got their Nikah performed.

So Orthodox or Reformists, Amil or no Amil, Raza or no Raza the life goes on.

[like_minded]

Very well put... Insaf Bhai.

Surely... life goes on.... even without traditions, rituals, customs, beliefs or whatever.

[pro_pig]

good story

[Gulf]

Originally posted by pro_pig:
good story

Yes, this is the advantage of become a friend of Mr. Mahesh Bhatt saheb..
No offense Please.

[pro_pig]

mahesh bhatt is director or writer

[Gulf]

S. Insafbhai is friend of director mahesh bhatt and mahesh bhatt has many writer friends.. friend's friends are always friends naturaly!

[tahir]

I recently went to bohrachat and discovered that most of the members are 'sayo darhi topi' gaylas whose fiancees and wives like progressives. There is steam all over the place....

[pro_pig]

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[Gulf]

Originally posted by tahir:
I recently went to bohrachat and discovered that most of the members are 'sayo darhi topi' gaylas whose fiancees and wives like progressives. There is steam all over the place....

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[allbird]

Originally posted by tahir:
I recently went to bohrachat and discovered that most of the members are 'sayo darhi topi' gaylas whose fiancees and wives like progressives. There is steam all over the place....

Tahir read the dosage. It says ONE VIAGRA at a time. You are losing blood from your head too fast.

[S. Insaf]

I have come to the conclusion that persons like pro-pig, gulf etc are on this board to divert the topic whenever it goes against them and whenever it becomes difficult for them to face truth.
I request all right-minded participant not fall in their trap and remain firm on the topic.

[like_minded]

Originally posted by S. Insaf:
I have come to the conclusion that persons like pro-pig, gulf etc are on this board to divert the topic whenever it goes against them and whenever it becomes difficult for them to face truth.
I request all right-minded participant not fall in their trap and remain firm on the topic.

This is exactly the strategy of Kothar!! To divert, hijack the minds of bohras from the core subject.

What can one expect from pro-pig,profrog, gulf, albird, they are products of Burhani brain-wash.

[allbird]

Originally posted by S. Insaf:
I have come to the conclusion that persons like pro-pig, gulf etc are on this board to divert the topic whenever it goes against them and whenever it becomes difficult for them to face truth.
I request all right-minded participant not fall in their trap and remain firm on the topic.

S.Insaf,

You can continue with your topic. We are not here to disrupt your organisation but only reason we pop in some times is people like Tahir, JC steps WAY out of line and starts disrespecting our Dai Zaman(TUS) using very low language, so we are pushed to defensive action.

You and your people have past incidence and grudges against Dawat then you have right to speak and clear the matter. Infact you mentioned above that you still have cohorts in kothar to get jobs done for you Amazing !!! See the generosity of our Dawat. Masahallah. Aka Moula (TUS) always mentions in his waez that i am looking after people who look up to me AND ALSO those who are looking up against me. Only a true Dai of Rasullah (SAW) can show such miracles.

There is a lesson for you from your own above writing. Where one Amil refuse you to conduct the Nikah while the second one from Thane did it. The lesson is one was trying to say what you are doing is WRONG. But if you insist than the second one did it. Now don't mistake compromise for fear. Remember NO one is afraid of you. The amil from Thane did it by saying thereafter whatever happens is your gunnah not his.

[allbird]

S.Insaf for your kind perusal. Read !!!!!!!!before pointing figures at us. Clear your own gutter !!!!!

Originally posted by tahir:
I recently went to bohrachat and discovered that most of the members are 'sayo darhi topi' gaylas whose fiancees and wives like progressives. There is steam all over the place....

[allbird]

Oh did i say GUTTER, thats not possible to clean, infact in can NEVER be cleaned. It can clear for some time to be filled again !!!!!! Oh Tahir what have you done to yourself. STOP TAKING Viagra, its draining blood from you head to your Peapod...

[like_minded]

You and your people have past incidence and grudges against Dawat. Quoted By Albird.

Albird, you are brain-washed to the extent that you do not know what you are uttering. Your sense and understanding seems completely absent which has led you to the state you are in at present.

Talking of grudges, let me tell you personally I have no grudge against Dawat. Basically Dawat's mission should be to raise human values, but unfortunately nothing of that sort is happening!!

We are being fooled properly, we are made to believe and accept fairy tales, we are taken 1400 years back and trapped right there.. That is the state of Dawat now in 2007.

We've got to wake up from deep sleep otherwise our generation would never forgive us.

[like_minded]

Albird,

Religion teaches us tolerance, or just forget about religion, tolerance again is naturally in us. Tell me are you tolerant?? Is syedna and company tolerant?? The answer is no.

The bayans of syedna does not emphasize on this, because he knows that would put his business at risk.

[truebohra]

Bro Albird,
People like tahir (complete opposite of his/her/? assumed name),JC etc who seeks moral high ground but stoops low to fuel thier hatred against Sayedna (tus).

[like_minded]

truebohra

Tell me, Do you like listening to fairy-tales in bayans?

Do you like your self-respect being shattered and being treated like a slave?

Do you like someone else taking decisions on your behalf to teach you how to lead YOUR life?

Do you like being robbed in broad daylight by the Kothar?

Do you like to Hero-worship? knowing very well that there is only one god and one has to bow only in front of him?

Do you like the corruption in the Dawat system?

Well.... I hate it., I am sure any sane person would surely hate these atrocities., and would surely speak up against the tyrant.

[like_minded]

It is the fear and greed inside you which has created God in form of Dai-u-zaman.

[tahir]

Originally posted by AlBird:

See the generosity of our Dawat. Masahallah. Aka Moula (TUS) always mentions in his waez that i am looking after people who look up to me AND ALSO those who are looking up against me. Only a true Dai of Rasullah (SAW) can show such miracles.

Apparently 'your' dawat is very generous in begging for money from 'us' at the drop of a topi.

Masha allah! The 'true' dai wants people to give him orgasmic pleasure everytime by smooching his thighs and paying him for it too (in adads of 252,552,752 etc.).

The prophet would be really proud of the 'true' dai if at all Islam had a provision for the post called 'dai'.

[pro_pig]

Tell me, Do you like listening to fairy-tales in bayans?

Do you like your self-respect being shattered and being treated like a slave?

Do you like someone else taking decisions on your behalf to teach you how to lead YOUR life?

Do you like being robbed in broad daylight by the Kothar?

Do you like to Hero-worship? knowing very well that there is only one god and one has to bow only in front of him?

Do you like the corruption in the Dawat system?

Well.... I hate it., I am sure any sane person would surely hate these atrocities., and would surely speak up against the tyrant.
who is telling u to come in masjid and listen u have form a organ just lead into it.this is a site to bitch and **** around.

[allbird]

Originally posted by pro_pig:
Tell me, Do you like listening to fairy-tales in bayans?

Do you like your self-respect being shattered and being treated like a slave?

Do you like someone else taking decisions on your behalf to teach you how to lead YOUR life?

Do you like being robbed in broad daylight by the Kothar?

Do you like to Hero-worship? knowing very well that there is only one god and one has to bow only in front of him?

Do you like the corruption in the Dawat system?

Well.... I hate it., I am sure any sane person would surely hate these atrocities., and would surely speak up against the tyrant.
who is telling u to come in masjid and listen u have form a organ just lead into it.this is a site to bitch and **** around.

Less_minded... Take pro_pig's advice if you find kitchen too hot step out. AND STAY AWAY, GET LOST. And what i read from other threads even PROG's DON'T LIKE YOU SO MUCH ......