A Brave Man Among Alvi Bohras!

[HUSAIN_HQ]

As Salam,

As we all know, not only Dawoodi, but Alvis too are suffering from their priesthoods. The alvi Saiydna Taiyab Zuauddin has been involved in many unwanted incidents during past years.One among them is:

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• <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">In recent days he demanded a sum of 70,000/- for a neekah to perform, the father Hazi Marchawala - a well earned and learned man decided not to pay the sum and called a sunni kadi to perform nikah at alvi masjid at Baroda.</font></li>

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">So, bohras be brave, do not submit to priesthood, there are others, and ofcource the Almighty Allah.

[mbohra]

Alavi Bohras website:

http://www.alavibohra.org/

[mbohra]

What’s caused divide/schism between Alavi Bohras

http://cities.expressindia.com/fullstor ... sid=147344

[anajmi]

money, always money. 400 year old tradition broken not because of the sunni qazi but because of money.

[way2heaven]

salam bros,
something abt money and something abt mind..broad mind!!!

w.salam.
way2heaven

[way2heaven]

salam anajmi aka intelli moron...
morons are everywhere..we just get out of our house n see around

w.salam.

may allah show u all right path n direction.

way2heaven

[Muslim First]

Br. Way2heaven
AS
You wrote;

may allah show u all right path n direction.

Is is possible to have a debate with you on your way of right path and path shown in Qur'an and by Rasul SAW?

I can open new Topic if you agree.

Wasalaam
.

[heavenoheaven]

u know ur path where ur going!!!! i dont want to show u people my path n direction..allah is watching us all..so beware!!!

w.salam,
way2heaven

[heavenoheaven]

Whos this new progressive alvi bohra??? is he goin to start new website to spread Islamic knowledge!!!!

w.salam.
way2heaven

[kabeer19922001]

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i dont want to show u people my path n direction..

Nicely summarizes the Bohra philosophy.!!!

[heavenoheaven]

salam kabeerbhai,
ru dawoodi bohra? or progressive stuntman??

wsalam.
way2heaven

[anajmi]

way2AbdeMoron,

Actually you don't need to even get out of your house. You will find at least one moron in your own house

[kabeer19922001]

Dear Heaven

I was born into the Dawoodi Bohra community and for almost 40 years blindly followed what was drummed into my head. However, I am no longer a Bohri ( Dawoodi or Reformist) I am a muslim and follow the Ahle Sunnah thought.

Regards

[heavenoheaven]

dear najmi bhai, no need to see my house even, i open progressive dawwodi bohra website n there ur not 1 not 2 hundreds of moron :p

w.salam.
way2heaven

[anajmi]

Well, what can I say, you just made my point... again.

[heavenoheaven]

so u took long time to understand simple thing...

w.salam..anajmi bhai.

way2heaven

[mumin]

Yes, money, money money. money is their game. Wajebaats are collected by Ali Baba and his forty theives in the name of helping the community, but instesd it is being spent on themselves.
Ramadsan is comoing and these corrupt mullas and sheikhs nad bhaisahebs will be looking forward to collecting. Refrain from giving it to them. Because you know they will spend it on themselves. That is the treason there is no accountability. It is forbidden to ask where your money is spent. And you give your hard earned money to these scoundrels thinking it is spent for a just cause. This is not so. All this money goes into their trust so they do not have to pay any taxes. From all the collection the bhaisaheb gets a percentage that is why he is so keen in calling you all one at a time so he can squeeze as much as he can out of you. Typical divede and rule policy of the british.
Also during ramadan they are eager to find out who is a doctor, because they know there is more money. Then they will come stating that you have become doctor because fo duaa so now is pay back time. Please do not fall for this. You became a doctor because of your own hard work and Allah's and only Allah's help. Do not let these rascals punish you for your hard work. Give them no charity. Spend your money towards the needy and poor and the orphans. Do not give anything to these leeches of the bohri community. They have been playing this game for ages and it is about time we put an end to the wreong. Itis wrongt to take money in the name of charity and then spending it in living a luxurious life. Just because this tradition is practised for yars does not make it right. Surely if you can earn the money then you know how to spend it. Spend it in helping the poor and needy and the orphans instead of giving it to the local amil who in the name of charity wants your money to spend it on himself. Party time is over for these amils. Let us spend our money to please Allah for a change instead of the local amil.

[jawanmardan]

I have been informed that the Sulaymani Da’I is very thoughtful; has anyone had an experience with their community?

[like_minded]

Let us spend our money to please Allah for a change instead of the local amil

Bro mumin,

Helping or serving a needy is our duty, In performing this duty why seek to please Allah?? Because if you reach out to please Allah by spending money on a needy, then the whole purpose of that is lost.

By pleasing Allah you are seeking yourself in that act isnt it?? When there is no seeking Allah, then there is only service, without any motive, because thats how we are.

I am not saying that we should not serve or help a needy, We should, because serving, helping is out of our natural self, which seeks no identity.

If we understand ourselves, we can understand the needy and his needs, and so we serve without any purpose or meaning.

[Zeal]

Like_minded,
Man has been created selfish.

The whole philosophy of benefiting being selfish is if you think of a life in heaven after death you will do good acts in this life and charity is one important amongst them.
So be selfish and in the process you will do good to poors, to the society.

Being selfish is natural, make use of it in good sense.

[like_minded]

Originally posted by Zeal:
Like_minded,
Man has been created selfish.

The whole philosophy of benefiting being selfish is if you think of a life in heaven after death you will do good acts in this life and charity is one important amongst them.
So be selfish and in the process you will do good to poors, to the society.

Being selfish is natural, make use of it in good sense.

Brother Zeal,

If we understand WHY we are selfish, then we have a hope of becoming selfless (which is our natural self) How can being selfish be natural brother? Ask youself??

[like_minded]

Its strange... That often we think about our positives, like physical beauty, honesty, sincerity, intelligence, I am this, I am that.... You know... But do we ever think about our negatives like hatred, jealousy, anger, possesiveness?? We dont think, do we?? Because we presume our negatives to be our ownselves, and the positives to be not our ownselves, thats why we think about our positives only.... Strange, isnt it??

[Hussain_KSA]

Brother Jawanmardan,

Salam. Sulemani Bohras who are known as Makrami have their base in Mansouriya city of Najran State, South of Saudi Arabia. Their 50th Dai Shaikh Hussain Al Makrami died at the age of 96 (some says 82 year) years in June 2005. I did post a news of his death and picture on this board as an attachement three weeks ago.

Although there are not much corruption in Sulemani Bohras like Dawoodi Bohras by the Dai but all other methods of collection are the same. There are some infighting too and even Sulemani Bohris are divided into two section Husainia and Muhsinia (Muhsinia is the opponant group of Shaikh Mohsin who claim to be successor at the place of 50th Dai. But they are very few in numbers. The infighting and money collecting story besides problem from the straunch Wahabi Saudi Government is long and if you search can be found in Arabic language. I will try to translate summary (just for the knowledge) for this board.

Allah Hafiz

[Zeal]

How can being selfish be natural brother?
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why not? ask yourself !
Think of the beauty of being selfish for good!

Allah's creation is all with a purpose and a meaning.

[like_minded]

Originally posted by Zeal:
Like_minded,
Man has been created selfish.

The whole philosophy of benefiting being selfish is if you think of a life in heaven after death you will do good acts in this life and charity is one important amongst them.
So be selfish and in the process you will do good to poors, to the society.

Being selfish is natural, make use of it in good sense.

If it is so... then I question this philosophy.... I question not to prove I am right or the philosophy is wrong, no judgements here, I am clear about that... The philosophy is about being selfish our nature, when I observe this philosophy with a clear mind, then I see that this philosophy is of a self seeking mind.. a mind which only seeks itself, wants it identity, The same mind is present in me, just bring my mind to the PRESENT which is awareness, This process (understanding) is enough.

[like_minded]

Originally posted by Zeal:
How can being selfish be natural brother?
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why not? ask yourself !
Think of the beauty of being selfish for good!

Allah's creation is all with a purpose and a meaning.

If Allahs creation is all with purpose, then why did he create a fool like me, who sees no purpose in life?? He can save alot of time and energy creating just wise men, isnt it??

Either you can be selfish or good, how can you be both?

[Zeal]

then I see that this philosophy is of a self seeking mind.. a mind which only seeks itself, wants it identity
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I agree !
but what's wrong in wanting an identity...
selfishness in another words is self seeking , but important is this is doing good to others also and not just yourself!

[makberi]

bro likeminded tell me one selfless act u have done in ur life....jus give me an example

[like_minded]

Brother.. You are not catching my point, are you?? Look, when we analyse, judge, draw conclusions.. we say this is good, this is bad, that is good, that is bad, Its the mind which functions.. fine, okay right agreed.

But this stupid mind does not stop there, it goes beyond to seek itself, then everything it judges, oh.. this tree is good, that is bad, oh.. this method is good, no,, no,, that is bad..

You follow me, it is then, a simple act of donation to the needy becomes good, why because it seeks, it judges,, this is good, because I am pleasing God,, which means it is pleasing itself,, then I am selfish,, I am doing it just to please GOD and not because I realize the needy is in need. What if I had no choice, no good no bad, and served without judging what it is, that is true service, seeking nothing. Just giving, not expecting returns.

[like_minded]

Originally posted by makberi:
bro likeminded tell me one selfless act u have done in ur life....jus give me an example

I am very selfish, That is why I can explain my position on this subject. I admit.