So you agree that the Fatimid empire never suffered in the absence of secularism and that the Imam went into hiding just to take a break and give a free hand to the corrupt Dai of this age.badrijanab wrote:So you agree that people never suffered in places where there was secularism?!!!!!
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In Hindustan, Bohra sect was established and grown by appealing the intellect of the intellectuals (the correct Islamic way) of the then era like parliamentarians, school teachers, kings, etc. Where else Sunni's in India are product of conversion by force by threating for life, which is strictly against Islam.
Unfortunately the followers of Bohra sect have suffered most in compare to all Islamic sect put together (in Hindustan). Sufi's, Sunni's, etc have never suffered by Kings/Government.
Unfortunately the followers of Bohra sect have suffered most in compare to all Islamic sect put together (in Hindustan). Sufi's, Sunni's, etc have never suffered by Kings/Government.
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badrijanab saheb,
so your point is that secularism be damned and religion should rule the state? just great! then wait for the day when militant hindu outfits take over the govt of india and commit genocide on muslims, incl, bohras, pristine or abde. you will then have no recourse to police, courts or human rights. i hope you will then follow the example of babji fakhruddin and qutbuddin shaheed and accept martyrdom.
so your point is that secularism be damned and religion should rule the state? just great! then wait for the day when militant hindu outfits take over the govt of india and commit genocide on muslims, incl, bohras, pristine or abde. you will then have no recourse to police, courts or human rights. i hope you will then follow the example of babji fakhruddin and qutbuddin shaheed and accept martyrdom.
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If you had read history you would know that Ismailis and Fatimids have been under attack throughout Islamic history - except when Fatimids were in power. The history of Ismailis is the history of persecution and terror, the dais have been on the run the Imams went into hiding. "Surviving" is one thing and living in peace, security and confidence is quite another. Secularism ensures the latter.badrijanab wrote:Humsafar sahib, read our history! Fatimi Dawat has survived in severer era than Saudi Arabia or Iran - zaalim's like Aurangzeb, Ahmed Shah Abdali, Temoor, etc.
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As long as mola keeps doing Tamasha on the roads and at the Airports. The rest of the bohras are unsafe from the muslims in muslim countries. The militant hindus and corrupt politicians knows where the owners of the loot live.
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Meeting in Chennai to pay tribute to Dr. Asghar Ali Engineer
Tamil Nadu Women’s Forum joins hands with the Women Coalition for Change in organising a meeting as a mark of fit tribute to Dr. Asghar Ali Engineer’s memory who passed away on 14th May 2013. His writings have been instrumental for inspiring activists to involve in campaign against fundamentalism and we need to take forward his values among the present and future generation. It is a mark of Honor and tribute to the great soul who was an ardent fighter for social justice and a voice for social change, and for carrying forward his message of struggle for peace, harmony and
justice.
The meeting will commence at 10 a.m. on 2ND June 2013, at Asha Nivas, No.9,Rutland gate, 5Th street, Nungambakkam High Road, Chennai 600 006. Phone: 91-44-28333311, 28330772, 28331601.
We cordially request your presence on that day and pay your tribute and respect for the human rights champion.
Thanking you
With regards
Vimala.R
Burnad Fatima.N
Tamil Nadu Women's Forum Women Coalition For Change
(9, Rutland Gate, 5th Street, Chennai - 600 006, India. Phone: 91-44-28333311, 28330772, 28331601. Fax : 28332606. Email: ashanivas@ vsnl.com.)
Tamil Nadu Women’s Forum joins hands with the Women Coalition for Change in organising a meeting as a mark of fit tribute to Dr. Asghar Ali Engineer’s memory who passed away on 14th May 2013. His writings have been instrumental for inspiring activists to involve in campaign against fundamentalism and we need to take forward his values among the present and future generation. It is a mark of Honor and tribute to the great soul who was an ardent fighter for social justice and a voice for social change, and for carrying forward his message of struggle for peace, harmony and
justice.
The meeting will commence at 10 a.m. on 2ND June 2013, at Asha Nivas, No.9,Rutland gate, 5Th street, Nungambakkam High Road, Chennai 600 006. Phone: 91-44-28333311, 28330772, 28331601.
We cordially request your presence on that day and pay your tribute and respect for the human rights champion.
Thanking you
With regards
Vimala.R
Burnad Fatima.N
Tamil Nadu Women's Forum Women Coalition For Change
(9, Rutland Gate, 5th Street, Chennai - 600 006, India. Phone: 91-44-28333311, 28330772, 28331601. Fax : 28332606. Email: ashanivas@ vsnl.com.)
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Alas! They could neither deter nor kill Asghar Ali Saheb
"Yazid was a tyrant, no one can differ on that account. And today's tyrants are the successors of the tyrants of yesterday. The repercussions of repressive policies of Yazid were against the basic principles of Islam and Imam Husain did not compromise with Yazid and fought against him."
Asghar Ali Saheb was a son of Dawoodi Bohra Amil, Shaikh Qurban Husain Mandasorwala, a learned and well-versed Aalim. Asghar Ali Saheb was an ordinary Bohra with extra-ordinary courage and committments. Though he very closely watching the struggle for reform headed by Noman bhai Contractor but he remained at a distance from it.
But a most horrified incident in the Dawoodi Bohra history jolted him when devoted innocent women of Udaipur were most mercylessly attacked in Galiakot's mazar in the presence of Sayedna Burhanuddin Saheb on 1st March 1973. Asghar Ali Saheb jumped in Dawoodi Bohra Reform movement.
Asghar Ali Saheb gave a dymanic direction to the Bohra reform by making it a fight against injustis, perssecution and for human rights and social change. He made it a common cause for all persecuted peoples and not Bohras alone. He struggled for bringing the atrocities and inhuman practices of Bohra celegy in public eye by arranging siminars and conferences and on record in black and white. So he left no stone unturned for appointment of an Enquiry Commission headed by legal experts and Islamic scholar which was most vehemently opposed by Syedna Saheb as he knew the concequences of such inquiry. The Al-mighty Syedna Saheb used all the religious, social and political forces at his command but could not tether the torch-bearers of reform. So he decided to eliminate Asghar Ali Saheb.
Assault at Calcatta
After the appointment of a Justice Nathwani Commission of enquiry the accused Bohra high priest felt desperated and in sheer desperation started physical voilence. The first violent attack on the life of Asghar Ali Saheb was attempted at the venue of the press conference at Calcutta in November 1977
Assault at Hydrabad
After a month in December 1977 a similar assault by knief was made on the life of Asghar Ali Saheb at Hydrabad, slitting his cheek. other would demonstrate by keeking the stitched ceek open but Asghar Ali Saheb grew beard to conseal his wound.
Assault at Cairo
In March 1984 govrnment of Egypt invited Asghar Ali Saheb for conference on Palestinian. The conference did not not take place as Yasser Arafat could not come. However Egypt goverment requested the guests to stay for a week so Asghar Ali Saheb along with Mr. Sibte-Razi went to see old masjids in Cairo. They also went to see Al-Hakim masjid where the Bohras had under taken work of repair. There around 50 Bohras in side the masjid. When on their return Asghar Ali Saheb and Mr. Sibte-Razi were crossing the masjid's courtyard, the bohras run towards him and started hitting him by fist and kicks for more then 45 minutes till Sibte Razi came over there with police who lathi charged the attackers and rescued him.
Assault at Bombay Airport and destruction at his home and office
Three persons attacked Engineer in the security area of the Mumbai airport when he was returning from Bhopal after conducting a workshop on communal harmony for the Madhya Pradesh Police. Engineer refuted the accusation that he tried to attack, or even insult, the Syedna, saying that it was the pro-Syedna group that first verbally and then physically attacked him. Three persons were arrested in connection with the attack and six others for breaking in and causing damage to Engineer's house and office premises. In the statement to the police, two of the three accused claimed that they were the Sydena's followers. Even more intriguing is the matter of the statement made by Engineer. Immediately after the attack he was taken to the Nanavati Hospital, where the police recorded his statement. According to Engineer's son, Irfan, who is a lawyer, the statement "had all the requisites of an FIR, but yet it was not treated as one.
Detention at Columbo airport
Dr. Engineer arrived at Colombo on 19th April 200 with a valid visa. At Colombo airport two security persons in the terminal building to give him proper security and they assured him of protection after clearing his immigration. He stood in line for immigration clearance but within a minute one immigration officer approached him and asked for his passport. Dr. Engineer showed his passport to him. He went through it and saw his visa but told him that he has information that Dr. Engineer was deported from Sri Lanka in 1987 and hence he can not be allowed to pass through immigration. Dr. Engineer told him that this charge is totally baseless. He has visited Sri Lana several times and was never deported from Sri Lanka. His name was cleared by the foreign ministry of Sri Lanka. He told the immigration officer that the Bohras have given him wrong information and he should check it from the official records as if any such thing happened it will be on computer. He refused to check and maintained that his case will be decided in the morning when higher officers come, and until final decision is taken he will detain Dr. Engineer was sent to detention room and locked up like a criminal. He was kept in the detention room until organizers of the workshop contacted the foreign ministry and got him released 12 hours after he had landed at Colombo airport.
Asghar Ali Saheb's humality after every attack on him
Asghar Ali was attacked several times by Syedna Saheb's goons at places like Calcutta, Hydrabad, Cairo, Bombay etc. was admitted in the local hospital. No one had seen him blaming or cursing any body. In front of media he used to describe the entire incident as it had happen without sensationalising it.Syedna's men called him enemy of Islam and Dawat, Salman Rishdi, Hindu agents etc. but he never used any derogatory words for Syedna Saheb.
The last and most deadly attack was attempted on Asghar Ali Saheb under instigation by Sayedna Saheb himself.His home and office were also ransacked. He was hospitalised for many days. Under politicle pressure few Bohra attackers were arrested. During the hearing in the court Asghar saheb had said "These are slaves of Syedna Saheb and they do whatever they are instructed to do, including murder. I have nothing against them. If you can arrest and punish their master-mind do it."
"Yazid was a tyrant, no one can differ on that account. And today's tyrants are the successors of the tyrants of yesterday. The repercussions of repressive policies of Yazid were against the basic principles of Islam and Imam Husain did not compromise with Yazid and fought against him."
Asghar Ali Saheb was a son of Dawoodi Bohra Amil, Shaikh Qurban Husain Mandasorwala, a learned and well-versed Aalim. Asghar Ali Saheb was an ordinary Bohra with extra-ordinary courage and committments. Though he very closely watching the struggle for reform headed by Noman bhai Contractor but he remained at a distance from it.
But a most horrified incident in the Dawoodi Bohra history jolted him when devoted innocent women of Udaipur were most mercylessly attacked in Galiakot's mazar in the presence of Sayedna Burhanuddin Saheb on 1st March 1973. Asghar Ali Saheb jumped in Dawoodi Bohra Reform movement.
Asghar Ali Saheb gave a dymanic direction to the Bohra reform by making it a fight against injustis, perssecution and for human rights and social change. He made it a common cause for all persecuted peoples and not Bohras alone. He struggled for bringing the atrocities and inhuman practices of Bohra celegy in public eye by arranging siminars and conferences and on record in black and white. So he left no stone unturned for appointment of an Enquiry Commission headed by legal experts and Islamic scholar which was most vehemently opposed by Syedna Saheb as he knew the concequences of such inquiry. The Al-mighty Syedna Saheb used all the religious, social and political forces at his command but could not tether the torch-bearers of reform. So he decided to eliminate Asghar Ali Saheb.
Assault at Calcatta
After the appointment of a Justice Nathwani Commission of enquiry the accused Bohra high priest felt desperated and in sheer desperation started physical voilence. The first violent attack on the life of Asghar Ali Saheb was attempted at the venue of the press conference at Calcutta in November 1977
Assault at Hydrabad
After a month in December 1977 a similar assault by knief was made on the life of Asghar Ali Saheb at Hydrabad, slitting his cheek. other would demonstrate by keeking the stitched ceek open but Asghar Ali Saheb grew beard to conseal his wound.
Assault at Cairo
In March 1984 govrnment of Egypt invited Asghar Ali Saheb for conference on Palestinian. The conference did not not take place as Yasser Arafat could not come. However Egypt goverment requested the guests to stay for a week so Asghar Ali Saheb along with Mr. Sibte-Razi went to see old masjids in Cairo. They also went to see Al-Hakim masjid where the Bohras had under taken work of repair. There around 50 Bohras in side the masjid. When on their return Asghar Ali Saheb and Mr. Sibte-Razi were crossing the masjid's courtyard, the bohras run towards him and started hitting him by fist and kicks for more then 45 minutes till Sibte Razi came over there with police who lathi charged the attackers and rescued him.
Assault at Bombay Airport and destruction at his home and office
Three persons attacked Engineer in the security area of the Mumbai airport when he was returning from Bhopal after conducting a workshop on communal harmony for the Madhya Pradesh Police. Engineer refuted the accusation that he tried to attack, or even insult, the Syedna, saying that it was the pro-Syedna group that first verbally and then physically attacked him. Three persons were arrested in connection with the attack and six others for breaking in and causing damage to Engineer's house and office premises. In the statement to the police, two of the three accused claimed that they were the Sydena's followers. Even more intriguing is the matter of the statement made by Engineer. Immediately after the attack he was taken to the Nanavati Hospital, where the police recorded his statement. According to Engineer's son, Irfan, who is a lawyer, the statement "had all the requisites of an FIR, but yet it was not treated as one.
Detention at Columbo airport
Dr. Engineer arrived at Colombo on 19th April 200 with a valid visa. At Colombo airport two security persons in the terminal building to give him proper security and they assured him of protection after clearing his immigration. He stood in line for immigration clearance but within a minute one immigration officer approached him and asked for his passport. Dr. Engineer showed his passport to him. He went through it and saw his visa but told him that he has information that Dr. Engineer was deported from Sri Lanka in 1987 and hence he can not be allowed to pass through immigration. Dr. Engineer told him that this charge is totally baseless. He has visited Sri Lana several times and was never deported from Sri Lanka. His name was cleared by the foreign ministry of Sri Lanka. He told the immigration officer that the Bohras have given him wrong information and he should check it from the official records as if any such thing happened it will be on computer. He refused to check and maintained that his case will be decided in the morning when higher officers come, and until final decision is taken he will detain Dr. Engineer was sent to detention room and locked up like a criminal. He was kept in the detention room until organizers of the workshop contacted the foreign ministry and got him released 12 hours after he had landed at Colombo airport.
Asghar Ali Saheb's humality after every attack on him
Asghar Ali was attacked several times by Syedna Saheb's goons at places like Calcutta, Hydrabad, Cairo, Bombay etc. was admitted in the local hospital. No one had seen him blaming or cursing any body. In front of media he used to describe the entire incident as it had happen without sensationalising it.Syedna's men called him enemy of Islam and Dawat, Salman Rishdi, Hindu agents etc. but he never used any derogatory words for Syedna Saheb.
The last and most deadly attack was attempted on Asghar Ali Saheb under instigation by Sayedna Saheb himself.His home and office were also ransacked. He was hospitalised for many days. Under politicle pressure few Bohra attackers were arrested. During the hearing in the court Asghar saheb had said "These are slaves of Syedna Saheb and they do whatever they are instructed to do, including murder. I have nothing against them. If you can arrest and punish their master-mind do it."
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DHARNA TO DEMAND BAN ON ORAL/UNILATERAL DIVORCE
Dr. Engineer, noted Islamic scholar spent his entire life elucidating the rights of Muslim women in Quran. He was our mentor and guide and gave us knowledge and information so that we could strengthen our fight for our rights. Bharatiya Muslim Mahila Andolan [BMMA], as a tribute to him, rededicates itself to demand a ban on oral/unilateral divorce and thus vows to vociferously continue to demand codification of Muslim family law.
Skype, Facebook, sms, email, phone, letter are the various means which Muslim men have begun to use to divorce their wives. Inspite of repeated demands by Muslim women to declare this practice illegal, the state refuses to acknowledge that the problem of oral divorce exists. BMMA has been spearheading the campaign to demand codification of Muslim family law so that unjust and unIslamic practices like oral divorce are not allowed to be abused by Muslim men.
As a tribute to a great Islamic scholar and our guide, on 12th June, BMMA activists in Mumbai, Ahmedabad, Bhopal, Cuttuck, Chennai, Patna, Ranchi, Bangalore, Jaipur and Kolkata will stage dharna and carry out rallies to demand a complete ban on oral divorce. Submissions will be sent to National and State Minorities Commission, National and State Human Rights Commission, National Law Commission, members of the NAC, Prime Minister Dr. Manmohan Singh and other government authorities.
In Mumbai a dharna is being held to demand a ban on oral divorce
Venue: Azad Maidan, CST
Date: 12 June, 2013
Time: 2 pm
BMMA has also been in the process of drafting a Quran-complied codified Muslim family law to end the arbitrariness in decisions pertaining to matters of divorce, polygamy, mehr, maintenance, custody of children and so on. Hindus, Christians, Parsis in India have their own personal laws ratified by the Parliament. The Muslims have only the Dissolution of Muslim Marriage Act of 1939 fand Muslim Women’s Protection Act, 1986. The Shariat Application Act of 1937 consists nothing by way of a codified law. The judicial decisions are thus based on explanations given by various legal figures like Mulla and Tyabji. Outside the formal legal system, the qazi and ulemas are free to pass judgments and fatwas which clearly violate the Quranic and Constitutional values. If the community has a codified law then all will be guided by this law and not by their whims and fancies.
PLEASE DO JOIN IN AND SUPPORT US IN OUR FIGHT FOR JUSTICE
In Solidarity
Noorjehan Safia Niaz, Co-Founder, Bharatiya Muslim Mahila Andolan
Khatoon Shaikh, Convener, Maharashtra, Bharatiya Muslim Mahila Andolan
Dr. Engineer, noted Islamic scholar spent his entire life elucidating the rights of Muslim women in Quran. He was our mentor and guide and gave us knowledge and information so that we could strengthen our fight for our rights. Bharatiya Muslim Mahila Andolan [BMMA], as a tribute to him, rededicates itself to demand a ban on oral/unilateral divorce and thus vows to vociferously continue to demand codification of Muslim family law.
Skype, Facebook, sms, email, phone, letter are the various means which Muslim men have begun to use to divorce their wives. Inspite of repeated demands by Muslim women to declare this practice illegal, the state refuses to acknowledge that the problem of oral divorce exists. BMMA has been spearheading the campaign to demand codification of Muslim family law so that unjust and unIslamic practices like oral divorce are not allowed to be abused by Muslim men.
As a tribute to a great Islamic scholar and our guide, on 12th June, BMMA activists in Mumbai, Ahmedabad, Bhopal, Cuttuck, Chennai, Patna, Ranchi, Bangalore, Jaipur and Kolkata will stage dharna and carry out rallies to demand a complete ban on oral divorce. Submissions will be sent to National and State Minorities Commission, National and State Human Rights Commission, National Law Commission, members of the NAC, Prime Minister Dr. Manmohan Singh and other government authorities.
In Mumbai a dharna is being held to demand a ban on oral divorce
Venue: Azad Maidan, CST
Date: 12 June, 2013
Time: 2 pm
BMMA has also been in the process of drafting a Quran-complied codified Muslim family law to end the arbitrariness in decisions pertaining to matters of divorce, polygamy, mehr, maintenance, custody of children and so on. Hindus, Christians, Parsis in India have their own personal laws ratified by the Parliament. The Muslims have only the Dissolution of Muslim Marriage Act of 1939 fand Muslim Women’s Protection Act, 1986. The Shariat Application Act of 1937 consists nothing by way of a codified law. The judicial decisions are thus based on explanations given by various legal figures like Mulla and Tyabji. Outside the formal legal system, the qazi and ulemas are free to pass judgments and fatwas which clearly violate the Quranic and Constitutional values. If the community has a codified law then all will be guided by this law and not by their whims and fancies.
PLEASE DO JOIN IN AND SUPPORT US IN OUR FIGHT FOR JUSTICE
In Solidarity
Noorjehan Safia Niaz, Co-Founder, Bharatiya Muslim Mahila Andolan
Khatoon Shaikh, Convener, Maharashtra, Bharatiya Muslim Mahila Andolan
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Oral divorce and other problems are only with Non-Dawoodi Bohras.
We Bohras, the single most respected and trusted community among all Muslims - we do not permit oral 3 time saying "tallaq" to result in divorce! This is also one of the proof that non-Bohras are all astray from rightful path of Islam and are least knowledgeable in matter of (correct) Islam.
Engineer Asger can be leader of everybody but not the leader of Bohra Youth (or so labelled as Progressives), except few stupid Jamat leaders in Udaipur; almost every common progressive mumineen was against the anti-Bohra practices and policies of Engineer Asger.
And GM sahib, by Imaan u r NOT mumineen u r astray from mumineen - so u can rightly call Engineer as your leader but don't call him leader of Bohras!
We Bohras, the single most respected and trusted community among all Muslims - we do not permit oral 3 time saying "tallaq" to result in divorce! This is also one of the proof that non-Bohras are all astray from rightful path of Islam and are least knowledgeable in matter of (correct) Islam.
Engineer Asger can be leader of everybody but not the leader of Bohra Youth (or so labelled as Progressives), except few stupid Jamat leaders in Udaipur; almost every common progressive mumineen was against the anti-Bohra practices and policies of Engineer Asger.
And GM sahib, by Imaan u r NOT mumineen u r astray from mumineen - so u can rightly call Engineer as your leader but don't call him leader of Bohras!
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badrijanab,
You're right Asghar Ali was not a "religious" leader of Bohras. He was one of the leaders of the reform movement, and also a Muslim scholar. As an intellectual his concerns and sympathies extended beyond the narrow confines of your self-proclaimed "the single most respected and trusted community among all Muslims". He was also a student of Islam and the Quran and he understood that triple-talaq was wrong and poor Muslim women were suffering because of it. So instead of self-important people like you who wallow all day in your pristine faith he actually decided to do something and fought in behalf of those helpless Muslim women. He has done more for poor Muslims, women and miskin of this earth than you and your master can even begin to imagine.
You're right Asghar Ali was not a "religious" leader of Bohras. He was one of the leaders of the reform movement, and also a Muslim scholar. As an intellectual his concerns and sympathies extended beyond the narrow confines of your self-proclaimed "the single most respected and trusted community among all Muslims". He was also a student of Islam and the Quran and he understood that triple-talaq was wrong and poor Muslim women were suffering because of it. So instead of self-important people like you who wallow all day in your pristine faith he actually decided to do something and fought in behalf of those helpless Muslim women. He has done more for poor Muslims, women and miskin of this earth than you and your master can even begin to imagine.
Since you are a self-confessed 46er you do not even belong to Bohra Youth and have no right to comment on what Bohra Youth members think about Asghar Ali.badrijanab wrote:Engineer Asger can be leader of everybody but not the leader of Bohra Youth (or so labelled as Progressives), except few stupid Jamat leaders in Udaipur; almost every common progressive mumineen was against the anti-Bohra practices and policies of Engineer Asger.
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Humsafar,Humsafar wrote: He was one of the leaders of the reform movement
How many mumineen Engineer Asger recruited from Shabab into Progressive fold?????
The matter of fact is: in Engineer Asger selfish top posting in Youth Jamat which he abused to con worldly glamour like Kothar does - Engineer poisoned the sweet and clean zamzam lake of (Progressive) Mumineen - because of Engineer instead of enrolling in Progressive fold - momineen left Youth (Progressives) and joined back Shabab to save their Imaan from baimaani preached by Engineer in matter of Fatimi Dawat.
How can Engineer Asger be leader of Reform movement - when for making non-Bohras happy he published in Al Furqan (Kuwait journal) that Bohras is the most gumraah firqa!!!
Please list what has he done for strengthening the Imaan of Reformist Dawoodi Bohras?Humsafar wrote:He has done more for poor Muslims, women and miskin of this earth than you and your master can even begin to imagine.
By the same token as Engineer Asger hates Bohra maslaq in particular and Shia in general and he also is Atheist being worshipper of Carl Marx hence your Engineer do not qualify to be even called Muslim, forget him qualifying to be called as Mumin - for proof details refer book: Niqaab Kushai. BTW Kothar and Engineer Asger both will have same fate. Inshallah.Humsafar wrote:Since you are a self-confessed 46er you do not even belong to Bohra Youth and have no right to comment on what Bohra Youth members think about Asghar Ali.
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OMG! This man (BJ) is such a vicious person. His masters have really filled him with so much poison that his body must be green in colour. His hatred for Asghar Ali saheb knows no bounds.
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BJ is a missed passenger from “Kothar Bus”, striving to create his own pristine cult the rightful entrants of heaven !
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The Head of the Islamic Studies and the Center for Study of Society and Secularism, contributor to The God Contention, speaker on various world views, scholar, fighter for justice, equality of women in Islam. Writer of more than 50 books, articles in many Islamic publications. Winner of several awards. A true mujahid.
Dr. Saheb was advocate of a culture of peace and harmony for all . Believed it to be wise to resist pleasure of the world. How could anybody dislike this giant among men.
Dr. Saheb was advocate of a culture of peace and harmony for all . Believed it to be wise to resist pleasure of the world. How could anybody dislike this giant among men.
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This photo very well describes this baaghi. Kya Islam ki himayat ho rahi hai - daaru ke saath or communist ke beech mein
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Ab ye dekhna hai ki ye post kitne time tak tikti hai.
Engineer ka shaitani chehra.
Engineer ka shaitani chehra.
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Asgerali may his soul rest in peace
At least he had the guts not to hide behind alias and nickname , which I am trying to gain my own courage.
Those who want o throw stones at his reputation , he did not care being bullied, insulated or assaulted when he was alive ..what difference will it make after he is not around.
But pity the fools who continue the abuses..what have you really done to defend the common persons rights, freedom or propagated your faith ? Instead of hurling insults ?
Do the abusers gel they are serving their Moala by attacking his opponents ? Really that is your example of worship ! What a waste?
At least he had the guts not to hide behind alias and nickname , which I am trying to gain my own courage.
Those who want o throw stones at his reputation , he did not care being bullied, insulated or assaulted when he was alive ..what difference will it make after he is not around.
But pity the fools who continue the abuses..what have you really done to defend the common persons rights, freedom or propagated your faith ? Instead of hurling insults ?
Do the abusers gel they are serving their Moala by attacking his opponents ? Really that is your example of worship ! What a waste?
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Can some one translate the text below the picture, its not readable
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An evening dipped in laughter
In the house of Baqir Mehdi (From left) Waris Alvi, Kamleshwar, Dr. Zoe Ansari, Hasan Kamal, Baqir Mehdi, Asghar Ali Engineer, Shiyam Kishan Nigham and Fuzail Jaafery
I have already explained it long back in a different thread.
In the house of Baqir Mehdi (From left) Waris Alvi, Kamleshwar, Dr. Zoe Ansari, Hasan Kamal, Baqir Mehdi, Asghar Ali Engineer, Shiyam Kishan Nigham and Fuzail Jaafery
I have already explained it long back in a different thread.
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Inspite of your unending, boring and monotonous lectures on your so called 'Pristine' faith, how many Shababis have you or your guru Ahmed Ali Raj managed to bring to the progressive fold ??badrijanab wrote:How many mumineen Engineer Asger recruited from Shabab into Progressive fold?????
Stop worrying about my Imaan as that is a matter which is between me and my Allah (swt), on the contrary it is YOU who needs to check your Imaan as you have flouted almost every command of Islam as preached by Prophet (s.a.w.). And as Bro Humsafar said, you are a 46er who has nothing to do with dawoodi bohras - so u can rightly call Shri Ahmed Ali Raj your leader and Dai.badrijanab wrote:And GM sahib, by Imaan u r NOT mumineen u r astray from mumineen - so u can rightly call Engineer as your leader but don't call him leader of Bohras!
By making the above statement you have undoubtedly proved to be the biggest LIAR on this forum because anyone with even a little bit of commonsense will realise that Mr.Engineer has all along fought for the wrongs committed in the name of Islam and has even penned down numerous articles/books based on Islamic tenets.badrijanab wrote:he also is Atheist being worshipper of Carl Marx
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ghulam muhammed
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One cant expect anything better then this from you because whenever you are cornered and whenever someone highlights the good work done by people from other sects or other folds of life then you brand them as being their followers, be it the case of the 3 khalifas or in this case Mr.Engineer. Come out of your tiny hole and see the number of people who praise Mr.Engineer, so does it make him their leader ?? BTW, I have NEVER met or seen Mr.Engineer in my entire life nor have I visited any PDB office.badrijanab wrote:And GM sahib, by Imaan u r NOT mumineen u r astray from mumineen - so u can rightly call Engineer as your leader but don't call him leader of Bohras!
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Here is the post where Insaf sahab explains the story behind the above photograph:
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HRLN salutes the memory and legacy of Asghar Ali Engineer
Dr. Asghar Ali Engineer, legendary human rights, peace and anti-communal activist of India died in Mumbai on 14th May 13 after prolonged ailment. He was 74.
Colin Gonsalves, Senior Advocate Supreme Court and Founder of Human Rights Law Network (HRLN) said “he was one of greatest human rights activists of our time and a source of inspiration for all of us at HRLN. He was a regular contributor to our efforts. We are going to miss him a lot in our struggles”.
HRLN salutes the memory and legacy of this tireless crusader for human rights, justice and communal harmony.
Read more: http://www.hrln.org/hrln/hrln-in-news/p ... z2YalETZj2
Dr. Asghar Ali Engineer, legendary human rights, peace and anti-communal activist of India died in Mumbai on 14th May 13 after prolonged ailment. He was 74.
Colin Gonsalves, Senior Advocate Supreme Court and Founder of Human Rights Law Network (HRLN) said “he was one of greatest human rights activists of our time and a source of inspiration for all of us at HRLN. He was a regular contributor to our efforts. We are going to miss him a lot in our struggles”.
HRLN salutes the memory and legacy of this tireless crusader for human rights, justice and communal harmony.
Read more: http://www.hrln.org/hrln/hrln-in-news/p ... z2YalETZj2
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Jab tak Engineer Jahannum Ki Aag ma Jalega tab tak yeh post tikni chahiyeMomin Mukhlis wrote:Ab ye dekhna hai ki ye post kitne time tak tikti hai.
Engineer ka shaitani chehra.
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[quote="level_headed"]
This photo very well describes this baaghi. Kya Islam ki himayat ho rahi hai - daaru ke saath or communist ke beech mein[/quo
Arey baap re; yeh pic main toh sab dikh rahe Hai malum hai kon
This photo very well describes this baaghi. Kya Islam ki himayat ho rahi hai - daaru ke saath or communist ke beech mein[/quo
Arey baap re; yeh pic main toh sab dikh rahe Hai malum hai kon
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And are you going to be there to witness it, Because for you make sure that he burns in Jahannum, you have to be there too. Good Luck enjoy it.AbdeSMBSMS wrote:Jab tak Engineer Jahannum Ki Aag ma Jalega tab tak yeh post tikni chahiyeMomin Mukhlis wrote:Ab ye dekhna hai ki ye post kitne time tak tikti hai.
Engineer ka shaitani chehra.
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Chalo atlast u agreed that your so called filthy leader has been drowned in hell. No problem @ the day of Judgement we all abdes will see you all including you in Jahannum & we all will witness it that you guys shud deserve the flames.SBM wrote:And are you going to be there to witness it, Because for you make sure that he burns in Jahannum, you have to be there too. Good Luck enjoy it.AbdeSMBSMS wrote: Jab tak Engineer Jahannum Ki Aag ma Jalega tab tak yeh post tikni chahiye
Jahannum Ma Hazaaro Saal Jalse Aqamaula ( tus) na Dushmano Ameen..................
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Engineer ke chehra ko Shaitani batakaar Shaitaan ki Tohin mat karo mera Bhai.Momin Mukhlis wrote:Ab ye dekhna hai ki ye post kitne time tak tikti hai.
Engineer ka shaitani chehra.
Engineer toh Shaitaan se bhi zyaada gaya guzra tha
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and I am not abde.
Badrijanab now can take solace in knowing that one die hard abde proved that Abde SBMSMS and STS are all going to be in Jhannam and PRISTINE BOHRA led by Badrijanab will be going to Jannat, I need to take Misaq with Badrijanab,
SO YOU AGREE ALL ABDES WILL BE GOING IN JHANNUM,,,, QEDwe all abdes will see you all including you in Jahannum
and I am not abde.Badrijanab now can take solace in knowing that one die hard abde proved that Abde SBMSMS and STS are all going to be in Jhannam and PRISTINE BOHRA led by Badrijanab will be going to Jannat, I need to take Misaq with Badrijanab,
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AbdeSMBSMS
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May Engineer soul rest in HELL.........Ozdundee wrote:Asgerali may his soul rest in peace
At least he had the guts not to hide behind alias and nickname , which I am trying to gain my own courage.
Those who want o throw stones at his reputation , he did not care being bullied, insulated or assaulted when he was alive ..what difference will it make after he is not around.
But pity the fools who continue the abuses..what have you really done to defend the common persons rights, freedom or propagated your faith ? Instead of hurling insults ?
Do the abusers gel they are serving their Moala by attacking his opponents ? Really that is your example of worship ! What a waste?