I have been visiting the site for the past several years. While I understand the need for anonymity, could we at least introduce ourselves with respect to our ages, sex and profession. This will put in context our posts.
As a starter, I am a 45 year old male and a Chartered Accountant by profession. I am Pakistani working in Saudi for the past 20 years.
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I am 47, civil engineer from karachi, right now in toronto, doing business.
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I am in Mumbai since last 40 years. I was General Manager with Godrej & Boyce Co. for 30 years and now retired. I am 63 years of age but not going to die without seeing the Kothar's down fall.
I was very close to late Mukasir Saheb and his son Quresh bhai saheb.
I had long discussions with Sayedna Taher Saifuddin and Sayedna Burhanuddin and found that Sayedna Taher Saifuddin was intelligent, cunning but Sayedna Burhanuddin a total buffoon.
I was very close to late Mukasir Saheb and his son Quresh bhai saheb.
I had long discussions with Sayedna Taher Saifuddin and Sayedna Burhanuddin and found that Sayedna Taher Saifuddin was intelligent, cunning but Sayedna Burhanuddin a total buffoon.
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Then may be reformists have to pray for long life mr insaf. ......Originally posted by S. Insaf:
I am 63 years of age but not going to die without seeing the Kothar's down fall.
I was very close to late Mukasir Saheb and his son Quresh bhai saheb.
also u claim that the late mukasir was very shrewd, adamnt & so on. if you were VERY CLOSE to him then were you a part of all his activities,network...?bahi agar team mein ho then everyone gets a share toplay their own role...
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Then may be reformists have to pray for long life mr insaf. ......Originally posted by S. Insaf:
I am 63 years of age but not going to die without seeing the Kothar's down fall.
I was very close to late Mukasir Saheb and his son Quresh bhai saheb.
also u claim that the late mukasir was very shrewd, adamnt & so on. if you were VERY CLOSE to him then were you a part of all his activities,network...?bahi agar team mein ho then everyone gets a share toplay their own role...
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Mr insaf on one hand u call current Dai as syedna saheb & on the other hand u use words such as baffooon.what is this , one side u give the man respect at the same time u dont not refrain from using such abusive words.Originally posted by S. Insaf:
I had long discussions with Sayedna Taher Saifuddin and Sayedna Burhanuddin and found that Sayedna Taher Saifuddin was intelligent, cunning but Sayedna Burhanuddin a total buffoon.
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I very much agree with anajmi.I admire Mr. Insaf's first hand knowledge abou the insides of the Kothar.I would like to know from Mr. Insaf ,if he was still close to the late Mukasir and his son,even after joinibg the reform movement.It intrigues me as to why he left the main fold after having such close proximity to the Kothar.Did the Kothar not try to convince him to join back to the mainstream?
He surely must be a well of information regarding the royal family.
Mr.Insaf,please comment.
He surely must be a well of information regarding the royal family.
Mr.Insaf,please comment.
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Reverend Fruits,
Thanks for being so observant. Can you point out where did Mr. Insaf claim the following:
the late mukasir was very shrewd, adamnt & so on.
I read his post many times over but couldn't find this. May be there is a cryptic (baatin) language that you understand while the rest of us don't. If a phook nu pani can make the difference kindly let us know.
Thanks for being so observant. Can you point out where did Mr. Insaf claim the following:
the late mukasir was very shrewd, adamnt & so on.
I read his post many times over but couldn't find this. May be there is a cryptic (baatin) language that you understand while the rest of us don't. If a phook nu pani can make the difference kindly let us know.
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may be mr insaf was not getting his share of pie,this might have forced to raise the voice of REBELLION.Originally posted by bohraji:
It intrigues me as to why he left the main fold after having such close proximity to the Kothar.Did the Kothar not try to convince him to join back to the mainstream?
He surely must be a well of information regarding the royal family.
Mr.Insaf,please comment.
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Fruit, pro pig and co. this thread was for just introduction only. why dont you guys post your cv, so we could know your back ground. which will help us understand the rubbish you post.
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hey anajmi 
your currucullam vitae please.
your currucullam vitae please.
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Actually fruits I just realised that you are the wrong person to be asked such a question. Afterall you are a dawoodi bohra. You would never be able to come up with the source of your words and deeds the way your trickster religious head runs his arse away whenever being asked about the source of his Nass - the legitimacy of his office. All he does is twist and spin. Standing on thin ice as your cult is.
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Im not in the main fold of bohras, be it reformists or the ortodox. but i would like to know how that "pie" tastes. can mr insaf throw some light on this!!!Originally posted by tahir:
thanks for admitting that there indeed is a 'pie'.[/QB]
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Friends,
When I was schooling at Saboo Siddique technical school, Byculla Bombay and was at Pydhooni I often used to help people in Bohri Mohalla and used take them to one Dr. Qasim Divanji. Once I recieved an Edd card from him which was full of praises of late Sayedna Taher Saifuddin Saheb. Nothing wrong. But where Dr. Divanji wrote that it is because of Him...." Or Throughout the world He is respected....." etc the capital "H" was written which is used only for 'Allah'. So I went to him to get a clarification. He admitted that Sayedna Taher Saifuddin is not less than God in any matter. He is in fact God on earth in human form. I was shocked as this statement was made by a qualified Bohra doctor. I went to him for 3 days after my school and discussed the matter in the light of Quran, Daimul-Islam and Nohzal-Balaga.
After week late Sayedna Saheb's driver Baqir came to my resident with car at 2 pm and took me to Saifee Mahal, where Sayedna Saheb started telling me about Rasoolullah, Molana Ali, Imams and earlier Dais. This continued for 20 days where in his latter talk he very aptly started taking about Bohras who tried to oppose Dai of their time and met a disastrous end. This is how I can closer to various people in Kothar.
It is because of this association of mine with Sayedna Taher Saifuddin I found that he was a knowledgeable, intelligent but cunning and scheming. He had perhaps found the seeds of rebellion in me but his method to make me submit to his authority was quite different.
After I first time recited a poem from a reformist platform two Bohras in traditional dress with golden turban came to me and took me in their car telling lie that we would take some refreshment at Badshahi Restaurant at Crawford Market. But they straight took me Dari Mahal and made me sit in front of Mazoon Burhanuddin Saheb. He was sitting like a dummy and other Kotharis were asking questions kicking me hard every time in the presence of Mazoon Saheb. Mazoon Saheb did not open his mouth even once. He did not reply any of my questions. His men were insisting that “how dare you ask a question to Mazoon Saheb? You have no faith in Dai.â€
When I was schooling at Saboo Siddique technical school, Byculla Bombay and was at Pydhooni I often used to help people in Bohri Mohalla and used take them to one Dr. Qasim Divanji. Once I recieved an Edd card from him which was full of praises of late Sayedna Taher Saifuddin Saheb. Nothing wrong. But where Dr. Divanji wrote that it is because of Him...." Or Throughout the world He is respected....." etc the capital "H" was written which is used only for 'Allah'. So I went to him to get a clarification. He admitted that Sayedna Taher Saifuddin is not less than God in any matter. He is in fact God on earth in human form. I was shocked as this statement was made by a qualified Bohra doctor. I went to him for 3 days after my school and discussed the matter in the light of Quran, Daimul-Islam and Nohzal-Balaga.
After week late Sayedna Saheb's driver Baqir came to my resident with car at 2 pm and took me to Saifee Mahal, where Sayedna Saheb started telling me about Rasoolullah, Molana Ali, Imams and earlier Dais. This continued for 20 days where in his latter talk he very aptly started taking about Bohras who tried to oppose Dai of their time and met a disastrous end. This is how I can closer to various people in Kothar.
It is because of this association of mine with Sayedna Taher Saifuddin I found that he was a knowledgeable, intelligent but cunning and scheming. He had perhaps found the seeds of rebellion in me but his method to make me submit to his authority was quite different.
After I first time recited a poem from a reformist platform two Bohras in traditional dress with golden turban came to me and took me in their car telling lie that we would take some refreshment at Badshahi Restaurant at Crawford Market. But they straight took me Dari Mahal and made me sit in front of Mazoon Burhanuddin Saheb. He was sitting like a dummy and other Kotharis were asking questions kicking me hard every time in the presence of Mazoon Saheb. Mazoon Saheb did not open his mouth even once. He did not reply any of my questions. His men were insisting that “how dare you ask a question to Mazoon Saheb? You have no faith in Dai.â€
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See fruits didn't I tell you that you would never be able to come up with where did you get this from:Originally posted by Fruits:
Im not in the main fold of bohras, be it reformists or the ortodox. but i would like to know how that "pie" tastes. can mr insaf throw some light on this!!!
the late "mukasir" was very shrewd, adamnt & so on.
Isn't it the same source from where you derive your Insaf-pie link? Kothari dyslexia...
And please don't pretend to be a middle hanger/fence sitter/ ball sqeezed between two legs. Kotharis are bad at camouflaging their 'noor'. We'd appreciate if you come across as what you are. You'll atleast sound less funny then.
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Brother Fruit you have asked:
Mr insaf on one hand u call current Dai as syedna saheb & on the other hand u use words such as baffooon. what is this , one side u give the man respect at the same time u dont not refrain from using such abusive words.
Janab Mohammad Burhanuddin is right now occupying the high office of Dai and hence using the word 'Sayedna Saheb' is respect to that high office. Beside this I always address even my "enemy" with due respect.
Sayedna Taher Saifuddin was one who built a vast financial empire with his shrewd policies for his family and hence he could ruled with strong hands. Janab Mohammad Burhanuddin compromised with his father after his mother's unfortunate death where as the members of his mother's family departed from Sayedna Taher Saifuddin. So he has always remained a "puppet" in the hands of other members of Taher Saifuddin Saheb's family. So the word wich I haved for him is my opion about that perticular person and not for a Dai.
Mr insaf on one hand u call current Dai as syedna saheb & on the other hand u use words such as baffooon. what is this , one side u give the man respect at the same time u dont not refrain from using such abusive words.
Janab Mohammad Burhanuddin is right now occupying the high office of Dai and hence using the word 'Sayedna Saheb' is respect to that high office. Beside this I always address even my "enemy" with due respect.
Sayedna Taher Saifuddin was one who built a vast financial empire with his shrewd policies for his family and hence he could ruled with strong hands. Janab Mohammad Burhanuddin compromised with his father after his mother's unfortunate death where as the members of his mother's family departed from Sayedna Taher Saifuddin. So he has always remained a "puppet" in the hands of other members of Taher Saifuddin Saheb's family. So the word wich I haved for him is my opion about that perticular person and not for a Dai.
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Mr. Insaf,now and again we hear rumours of a certain maternal uncle of sayedna ,having switched sides,Is that the person you are talking about? or are there more from the dai's family that have left them.
Since you had mentioned abour Quresh BS ,we have been told that even he was ex communicated and that too by his own father.However even his own father had jewish wife who never converted and who is no more now.
Can you throw some light on the above?
Since you had mentioned abour Quresh BS ,we have been told that even he was ex communicated and that too by his own father.However even his own father had jewish wife who never converted and who is no more now.
Can you throw some light on the above?