Dawoodi Bohra Forum

Eid Mubarak to all.

I was hoping someone would throw some light on the wisdom behind the practice animal slaughter as practiced by many fellow bohris.

My issue is particularly directed towards the location of the slaughter away from the designated abbatoir. On occasions such as Eid or otherwise, animals are slaughtered in front of a new dukaan or home presumably to dispel evil or bring blessings with respect to the place "closest" to the slaughter.

It seems likely that the perpetrators are acting upon the advice of the 'Amil although superstitions held by devoted housewives is also a factor.

Is there any account of such a practice in the life of the prophet? Have any of the imams sanctioned its legitimacy?

Originally posted by Iqbal77:
Eid Mubarak to all.

I was hoping someone would throw some light on the wisdom behind the practice animal slaughter as practiced by many fellow bohris.

My issue is particularly directed towards the location of the slaughter away from the designated abbatoir. On occasions such as Eid or otherwise, animals are slaughtered in front of a new dukaan or home presumably to dispel evil or bring blessings with respect to the place "closest" to the slaughter.

It seems likely that the perpetrators are acting upon the advice of the 'Amil although superstitions held by devoted housewives is also a factor.

Is there any account of such a practice in the life of the prophet? Have any of the imams sanctioned its legitimacy?

Why do you care??
As you dont seem to believe in the Bohra systems or the Imams, as it looks.

Islamic method of Slaughtering animals is better

.....Scientific reasoning.....
Al Shaddad Bin Aous has quoted this tradition of the Prophet (sallallahu alaiyhi wassallam) "Allah calls for mercy in everything, so be merciful when you kill and when you slaughter, sharpen your blade to relieve its pain".

Many allegations have been made that Islamic slaughter is not humane to animals. However, Professor Schultz and his colleague Dr. Hazim of the Hanover University, Germany, proved through an experiment, using an electroencephalograph (EEG) and electrocardiogram (ECG) that Islamic slaughter is THE humane method of slaughter and captive bolt stunning, practiced by the Western method, causes severe pain to the animal. The results surprised many.

Experimental Details:
1. Several electrodes were surgically implanted at various points of the skull of all animals, touching the surface of the brain.
2. The animals were allowed to recover for several weeks.
3. Some animals were slaughtered by making a swift, deep incision with a sharp knife on the neck cutting the jugular veins and carotid Arteries of both sides; as also the trachea and esophagus. ie. the Halaal Method.
4. Some animals were stunned using a captive bolt pistol humane slaughter by the western method.
5. During the experiment, EEG and ECG were recorded on all animals to record the condition of the brain and heart during the course of slaughter and stunning.

Results and Discussion:
I - Halal Method
The first three seconds from the time of Islamic slaughter as recorded on the EEG did not show any change from the graph before slaughter, thus indicating that the animal did not feel any pain during or immediately after the incision.
For the following 3 seconds, the EEG recorded a condition of deep sleep - unconsciousness. This is due to a large quantity of blood gushing out from the body.
After the above mentioned 6 seconds, the EEG recorded zero level, showing no feeling of pain at all.
As the brain message (EEG) dropped to zero level, the heart was still pounding and the body convulsing vigorously (a reflex action of the spinal cord) driving maximum blood from the body: resulting in hygienic meat for the consumer.

II - Western method by C.B.P. Stunning
The animals were apparently unconscious soon after stunning.
EEG showed severe pain immediately after stunning.
The hearts of the animal stunned by C.B.P. stopped beating earlier as compared to those of the animals slaughtered according to the Halal method resulting in the retention of more blood inthe meat. This in turn is unhygienic for the consumer.
(Muslim Students Organization - University of Miami )

Who presented the first sacrifice, in the name of Allah, in this world and what animal was it ?
The first sacrifice of an animal in the name of Allah, was presented by Habil, the son of Aadam(alaiyis salaam). In surah Ma'idah, the Qur'an describes the incident of Habil and Qabil. Both were asked to present a sacrifice. It is narrated that Habil's sacrificial offering was a lamb.

What anatomical parts need to be severed of the animal when slaughtering?
When slaughtering the animal, the following four anatomical parts need to be cut: the gullet, oesaphagus and both the jugular veins. The animal will considered halaal, if any three of the above four parts are severed.

Mention a few of the sacrifices that Rasullullah(sallallahu alaiyhi wassallam) performed ?
Anas(radhiyallahu anhu) narrated that Rasullullah(sallallahu alaiyhi wassallam) slaughtered two rams, black and white in colour and I saw him putting his foot on their sides and mentioning Allah's name and the takbir. He then slaughtered them with his own hands. (Bukhari)

Jabir (Radhiallaahu Anhu) narrated that Nabi (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) slaughtered on the day of Nahr 63 camels. (Muslim)

Jabir (Radhiallaahu Anhu) and Ayesha (Radhiallaahu Anha) narrated that Nabi (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) slaughtered on behalf of his wives cows. (Bukhari, Muslim)

Jabir(radhiyallahu anhu) reported that Rasullullah(sallallahu alaiyhi wassallam) slaughtered on the day of sacrifice two horned white and black castrated rams. When he placed them facing the Qiblah. He said: " Verily I turned my face towards the One who created the heavens and the earth, upon the religion of Ibraheem, being upright, and I am not one of the polytheists. Verily, my prayer, my sacrifice and my death are all for Allah, the Lord of the worlds. There is no partner for Him and I have been ordered with that, and I am one of the Muslims. O Allah, it is Thine and for Thee, from Muhammad and his people: In the Name of Allah. Allah is the Greatest." After then, he slaughtered. (Ahmad, Ibn Majah, Abu Dawud)

What animal did Rasullullah(sallallahu alaiyhi wassallam) sacrifice in his final Haj and how many did he, himself, physically slaughter ?
He(sallallahu alaiyhi wassallam) slaughtered 63 camels.

What direction must one face the animal when sacrificing ?
It is sunnah muakkadah that the person who slaughters; turns the face of the animal towards the Qiblah. To avoid this without reason is makrooh(detestable).

Is one allowed to sell the meat of the sacrifice?
It is not lawful and makrooh(detestable) to do so.

What must one do, when past qurbaanis have not been fulfilled ?
If one anyone has not met with the previous obligation of wajib sacrifice, then it is waajib for the person to give in sadaqah the value of the sacrifice in substitution of the missed sacrifice.

Is it fine to give a share of the money to a Muslim Relief Organization to do the qurbaani one's behalf ?
Yes, it is permissable to delegate a reputable Islamic organization or individuals to make the Qurbaani on one's behalf. Additionally, It is also recommended that one is also personally involved in some form of activity of Qurbaani,(at home,neighbourhood etc.) so that the spirit of Qurbaani is witnessed, appreciated and experienced.

Is one allowed to eat the meat of Qurbaani?
Hadhrat Abu Hurairah(radhiyallahu anhu) reported that Rasullallah(sallahu alaiyhi waslaam) is reported to have said: " When you perform Qurbaani, eat of your Qurbaani animal." (Musnad Ahmad). In another Hadith: Ayesha(radhiyallahu anha) ) reported that Rasullallah(sallahu alaiyhi waslaam) said: " Eat(from the animal), feed others and (you may also) store the meat." (Bukhari)

Is it prohibited to cut one’s hair in the first ten days of Dhul Hijjah?
Umm Salma (Radhiallaahu Anha) narrates that Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) said, ‘Whosoever intends slaughtering an animal, should not clip his hair or nails upon sighting the crescent of Dhul-Hijjah.’ (Abu Dawud) In view of the above Hadith, it is Mustahabb (commendable) for a person making Qurbaani not to cut the hair and finger nails from the 1st of Zul Hijjah until after slaughtering the Qurbaani animal. To observe this Mustahabb act is greatly rewarding. Rasulullah (Sallallaahu alayhi Wasallam) said 'In lieu of every limb and part of the animal, the person's limbs and parts of his body will be freed from Jahannam (Abu Dawood). Therefore, a person should try as much as possible to leave his hair and nails uncut in these ten days so that they may be freed in lieu of the nails and hair of the sacrificed animals. However, if the hair under the arms and in the pubic region is very long (which renders the Salaat Makrooh i.e. more than forty days), then it will become compulsory to remove such hair. However, if a person forgets to clip the nails before the 1st of Dhul Hijjah and the nails have grown so long that they may cause injury, then he may clip them. (Mufti E. Desai)

What is the Shar'ee ruling of having one's Qurbaani (sacrificial animal) done in a foreign country?
In order to personally experience the spirit and essence of Qurbaani, it should be done locally. However, since our Muslim brothers and sisters in other parts of the world suffer poverty and hunger, we should also consider them and have our Qurbaani done there as well. (Mufti E. Desai)

Is it permissible to stun an animal before slaughtering?
Due to many negative factors, for example, blood clotting, stunning without any reason is Makrooh (reprehensible). If the animal is wild and uncontrollable, then only will one be excused for stunning the animal. The sacrifice will be valid only if the animal was alive at the time of slaughtering after the stunning. (Mufti E. Desai)

I did not have the heart of going thru the above post. What all goes in name of this bloody thing called religion is astonishing. Zealots (hindu & muslims & may be jews & all the rest) are trying to justify each & evry pitty /silly/nonsensical thing in name of religion. Each idiot is trying to prove the superiority of his religion by quoting from idiotic books .Hadiths ,Geeta Quaran ,bible & what all shitty books are being used by primitive tribes of teh society. It has become a fashion that whenever a scientific break thru, invention is made (Mostly by Westerners) one such idiot would start yelling that our forefathers knew it long before. It was there in our ancient scriptures. Our religion has predicted such a thing longback.What satisfaction do these dumbo get I can't understand.
Have they ever thought that if their religion is a reservoir of such vast knowledge Y is Arab world/ India & Asia?Africa in general such a *%#$& place to live?Y have they lost their past glory(Wether they had any is a big Question)?

By the way the description of slaughtering of animal reminded me that Daniel Pearl was also butchered in that way in the fiml which I saw on net.

I believe that Ibrahim Nabi had sacrified his own son . It God replaced by "Dumba". Y don't u all guys ( The faithful Anajmi ,Muslim Fisrt, Mumineen & rest all of ur tribe) do teh same?
Show ur faith in ur God, Guys!!!

I am not sure wether it was Ibrahim Nabi or some other (who cares any way) but the question remains the same

Or is it that you all guys have that much faith in God to sacrifice animals but not that much faith so as to sacrifice your offsprings. !! Shame on u hypocrites!!!

here is what I would do to show my faith. I would sacrifice you. But I am not sure if you will be replaced by a dumba though!!

You are an such a hypocrite that you call all the religious books all these names without having read any. Prophet Ibrahim sacrificed his offspring because he was asked to by God. We sacrifice animals because we too are asked by God. If God asks us to sacrifice our offspring, inshaallah he will give us the strength to carry out his order. But I guess that was too much for your book hating brain to understand.

Its unfortunate that my issue was grossly misunderstood. If you read carefully, I do not contend the tradition of animal slaughter in Islam (unlike the islamveg.com folks who don't consider it to be an obligation).

I took issue with the current practice of slaughter among bohris in front of their new shops or homes or even hospital beds ostensibly to dispel evil.

The Quran shows in clear words that the blood of the sacrifice does not reach the Lord but it is the humility and gratitude of the slaves (who do the slaughter) that is accepted by Him.

I asked if somebody could highlight an event from the prophet's life or imams that explains the wisdom behind discrimination of a place of slaughter.

If no one has an answer so be it. This can give us some time to cogitate on the origins of this accretion to our religion and the subsequent decline in the rational faculty of the minds of many bohris who have become subservient to superstition and ignorance.

brother igbal,

I do not know of any hadith of the prophet which lays any emphasis on any place whatsoever. In fact many of the imams over here have absolutely no problem if you ask your family back in your home country (india in my case) to perform the sacrifice in your name.

Bohras are no longer following islam. they are following a superstitious cult. Do not pay much attention to what they do.

Mumineen,

I wonder if this animal cared whether the Halal Method or the Western Method is better.

http://www.malumaat.com/pics/misr/zabihat1.jpg

Justify it all you want....

In terms of the significance /sawab, the greatest sawab is obtained in Zabihat of She-Camel(Unthni), followed by a Camel(Unth), Cow, Bull, Sheep and lastly Goat.

I am curious as to how this hierarchy came about. Would anyone care to explain (seriously) ?

Anajmi,
I am sure God did not ask u all to sacrifice animals. Go thru ur books .Don't make general statements .May be he came & told it in ur ears.
Regarding sacrificing me , Ur showing only ur talibaanistic tendencies.

Again if u don't have a valid argument U r free to ignore my posts ,but don't make stupid comments ( though if u r hellbent on ,fine).

Y don't U Follow ur Ibrahim Nabi's act in toto.? I am sure ur God will honour ur faith .Or Is ur faith only for show-off? Same question to Muslim First & all the diehard believers

asif,

do you even know what ibrahim nabi's act was? He never sacrificed his son. He was replaced by a dumba you dumbo!!

I have a valid argument but sense does not seem to make any sense to you.

Muddai,

The animal does not care. That is why the instruction was given to man and not to the animal. Now is that too much for you to grasp?

Apparently my question was too much for you to grasp. Kindly, re-read until you get it.

I wonder if this animal cared whether the Halal Method or the Western Method is better.

The animal does not care. That is why the instruction was given to man and not to the animal. Now is that too much for you to grasp?

Duh!!!

I give up !

Many Happy Animal Slaughterings to you !

BTW: Where might one purchase such an animal ?

oh! now I see, I had to take that literally , didn't I!!!!