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Re: London hostpital nass video and audio
Postby kimanumanu on Tue May 20, 2014 3:18 pm

@Adam:

Why in the days following Moula (RA)'s wafaat, there were one after another speakers mentioning Mazoon's flaws? Did they also stop believing and suddenly remember these flaws after wafaat? Why weren't these flaws brought to light beforehand and why wasn't Mazoon removed? For a lifetime of a lot of people and some until they died, they were made to believe in him and even the misaaq mentioned his name. Nass was done since 1388 but Mansoos himself did not know whilst an ordinary person like Shk Yamani knew. How was this a secret when more than 2 people knew about it? What is the hikmat in hiding it from Mansoos when others knew about it? Why was misaq changed to include Mansoos after the stroke? If nass already happened then surely we should have been saying his name all the time and not after the stroke? What is the hikmat in this? Was Shk. Yamani and the other witnesses and the 2 shahzadas more aala than the rest of us mumineen? What gave them the honour of knowing this "secret" that was kept even from the Mansoos himself?

true_bohra wrote:@kimanumanu
- firstly tell me do you believe in misaaq and are you completely adhered to it??
-mazoons flaws never came out after death of Syedna ra, infact Syedna Ra himself said in 1408 that bhai se galti thai che.
- removal of mazoon is completely under Dai's discretion.
- shk yamani was no ordinary man, he was a person of great stature and a confidant of Syedna Taher Saifuddin RA and Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA
- Syedna RA himself gave that honour to them to know about the secret.

Please do not alter what Moula said, you are putting words in his mouth which he never said.
But what else can we expect from you? You have learnt how to misinterpret and misrepresent from the master of all, Aliasgar Kalimuddin! He is responsible for destroying the tasawwur of Jamea.

@Adam

It does concern me coz my folks are believers. I only hope who they believe in is the right one.

Some of the conspiracy theorists on this thread put David Icke to shame !

It is now clear that Adam is insider of kothar and knows many internal things.
he is only interested to convince us on one point that SMB Ra said in rozat video that "Mufaddal Bhai ne Nass nu Taaj" is clear. He is not ready to listen others that the original video which was published by fatenidawat.com was not clear. This video was withdrawn by fatemidawat.com because of objection from the SMS side on copyright issue and it has been reproduce by some alteration.
He wants to prove the proverb that "100 wakhat juth bolo to sachu lagva lage".

maxthemature wrote:now even if burhanuddin aqa ra from the kabar wakes up and call individually and say syedna muffadal saifuddin is true haq na dai and haq will never end till qayamat

Muffaddal Bs said that "AAto dai che kaipan kari sake che". Wish that he comes back and clear the mesh and save the whole community become laughing stock in the public.

Maqbool wrote:It is now clear that Adam is insider of kothar and knows many internal things.
he is only interested to convince us on one point that SMB Ra said in rozat video that "Mufaddal Bhai ne Nass nu Taaj" is clear. He is not ready to listen others that the original video which was published by fatenidawat.com was not clear. This video was withdrawn by fatemidawat.com because of objection from the SMS side on copyright issue and it has been reproduce by some alteration.
He wants to prove the proverb that "100 wakhat juth bolo to sachu lagva lage".

Here we go again.One more conspiracy theorist crawls out of the woodwork.

There is absolutely no alteration in the video currently available on Youtube. In order to put your lizard infested mind at rest, you can request Khuzaima to post it on his dailymotion handle.

Mulla and Mulla gave any particular reason for backing off?

Maqbool wrote:the original video which was published by fatenidawat.com was not clear. This video was withdrawn by fatemidawat.com because of objection from the SMS side on copyright issue and it has been reproduce by some alteration. .

When SKQ claims to be the rightful DAI, then how come he bowed down to SMS camps claim of copyright ! and what copyrights of a video which is meant for public display for an event related to faith of people ! this is not their private property, that video represents a WILL or base of evidence to prove the successorship of non-profit trusts of bohra community ! It is surprising that SKQ camp removed the original video under pressure from SMS camp.

Apart from all the drama that is going on …. SMS camp is more active, worried, involved to keep people convinced, whereas SKQ camp is sitting pretty at thane residence and issuing website updates.

On the website they have mentioned their official address to be saifee mahal, then why is SKQ living at Thaane Residence (Darus-Sakina) ?

SKQ must have expressed his love for SMB more vigorously by action. Did he visit Raudat Tahera to do Ziyarat of SMB for 40 days ?

Did he reach out to people in various bohra dominant towns and cities and convince them in person of his rights ?

Few have commented regarding threat to his life and stuff ! does a true dai with valor fear such threats on the path of righteousness ?

Had SKQ kept quiet, he would have till date enjoyed mazoon position. SMS would not have dared to go against his papa and grandpa’s decisions. Such an act of mutiny gave the boldness to SMS camp to come out all open and wash it out in public.

It is not surprising to see SMS camp dishing out innovative evidences one after another, they can go to any lengths, manipulation is not new to them. Kothar has the mastery to shout out loud lies until it becomes the truth and faith of abdes.

humanbeing wrote:
It is not surprising to see SMS camp dishing out innovative evidences one after another, they can go to any lengths, manipulation is not new to them. Kothar has the mastery to shout out loud lies until it becomes the truth and faith of abdes.

Yes, bullying, stalking, picketing, and abuse of power are the values of the current Dawat-e-Fitnat.
The chanting of laanaats, baraat is alive and well as evidenced in Zikra majlises in most places in India and africa. They are lying to the courts that they don't do baraats.

This is strange that any body who puts contrary view becomes Kothari agent or member of Kothar.

Maqbool bhai there are ''n'' number of psychos trolling on this forum. Dont you have some message for them..

Adam wrote:I stopped believing in KQ as The Mazoon after the wafaat of Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA, when he openly contested the Rutba of the 53rd Dai, and he made his Dawedaari public. At that moment, he seized to remain a Mumin, let alone the Mazoon. The 53rd Dai Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin released him of his position as being a Mazoon. This was further clarified when the farmaan of the Dai was to remove his name from the Misaaq and Ruqu Chitti's….That is my position of where it started. And in my opinion that should be what any Dawoodi Bohra Mumin should believe….Whatever the Dai tells us, we will follow. The 52nd Dai said to accept him as The Mazoon, we said "yes". The 53rd Dai says he removed him from the position, we accept.

Does SMS believe there must be 3 Rutbaas in the daawat ? if yes ! who is the Mazoon under his daawat ? Is the real mazoon (batin) still under seclusion, now declared that zaahir mazoon turned out to be evil ! It is a matter of shame, that STS had such a son and SMB had such a brother. What a fault in their divine bloodline and upbringing of royals ! While SMS is the only milk washed !

Is SMS going to keep the real baatin mazoon in hiding too, along with Imam ? as a matter of protection from Zaahir mazoon.

May be SMS can come up with another video, audio, risala shareef, letter, diary, witness and a candidate appointed as the real mazoon by SMB !

SKQ must have expressed his love for SMB more vigorously by action. Did he visit Raudat Tahera to do Ziyarat of SMB for 40 days ?

He did try to go with police protection. The police advised him that they will be able ot provide protection up to raudat . If anything happens to him beyond that because the SMS supporters would react violently, they wont be responsible. Didnt you get the message from the Burhani Guards Chief asking the youngsters to 'beat the crap out of him'?

Maqbool wrote:It is now clear that Adam is insider of kothar and knows many internal things.
he is only interested to convince us on one point that SMB Ra said in rozat video that "Mufaddal Bhai ne Nass nu Taaj" is clear. He is not ready to listen others that the original video which was published by fatenidawat.com was not clear. This video was withdrawn by fatemidawat.com because of objection from the SMS side on copyright issue and it has been reproduce by some alteration.
He wants to prove the proverb that "100 wakhat juth bolo to sachu lagva lage".

I think in one of Adam's post he asked everyone to check the properties of the London Nass video posted......as if everyone has access to the original video! I wonder why he mentioned that. Probably he is one of the goons of Kothar who does have access to the video....

humanbeing wrote:

Adam wrote:I stopped believing in KQ as The Mazoon after the wafaat of Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA, when he openly contested the Rutba of the 53rd Dai, and he made his Dawedaari public. At that moment, he seized to remain a Mumin, let alone the Mazoon. The 53rd Dai Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin released him of his position as being a Mazoon. This was further clarified when the farmaan of the Dai was to remove his name from the Misaaq and Ruqu Chitti's….That is my position of where it started. And in my opinion that should be what any Dawoodi Bohra Mumin should believe….Whatever the Dai tells us, we will follow. The 52nd Dai said to accept him as The Mazoon, we said "yes". The 53rd Dai says he removed him from the position, we accept.

Does SMS believe there must be 3 Rutbaas in the daawat ? if yes ! who is the Mazoon under his daawat ? Is the real mazoon (batin) still under seclusion, now declared that zaahir mazoon turned out to be evil ! It is a matter of shame, that STS had such a son and SMB had such a brother. What a fault in their divine bloodline and upbringing of royals ! While SMS is the only milk washed !

Is SMS going to keep the real baatin mazoon in hiding too, along with Imam ? as a matter of protection from Zaahir mazoon.

Is SMS going to remove the term Mazoon from misaaq ?

Humanbeing, Your questions of 3 rutbas - see this link on the innovation and gradual brainwashing of the Jameea Students about zahir-baatil philosophy.

https://web.archive.org/web/20100312003 ... index.html

Its month of razab only it will peak in month of ramazan

Someone please upload video and audio.............
still waiting..........................................................................................

Strict announcement was made "Not to do recording...No Raza for Recording "

yuzarsif wrote:Strict announcement was made "Not to do recording...No Raza for Recording "

and you/people really followed that instruction?

true_bohra wrote:This is strange that any body who puts contrary view becomes Kothari agent or member of Kothar.

Bhai, that happens because anyone who questions Dai or Jamaat becomes a Qafir.

Wazz was relayed on local cabel network incabel networks many indiviual who saw wazz on cabel are have recorded audio and veido as not possible in masjid after no raza for recording

Watched the hospital video over the weekend. More of the same hocus pocus. Moula raised his arm, QJ bs made a speech, MS did some burbur. Hardly even recognized Moula and he looked a lot healthier than he did in Raudat Tahera. This thing raises more questions than it answers. There is no new information here. No clear video and audio that can be undeniable proof of Moula doing nass. Which then begs the question, if he was willing to go through so much trouble to do nass after he lost his speech and possibly a good amount of cognitive ability (raising arm requires far less cognitive ability than understanding speeches, knowing what's going on and disagreeing with it...) Anyway, if he was willing to go through so much trouble to do nass and make it public after he had lost his speech, why not do nass in the preceding 50 years?!! It makes me think that Moula never intended to do public nass of MS. He is a bit of a fool, why would Moula want to do nass on him anyway? Someone said one can't cure stupid, I think you can't hide stupid either... That QJ bs sounded a lot more together in the video at least than MS did.

I dont know why but Qj bhai sahab looks more reliable than muffy as per body language.

I know QJ is goonda and has strong connection with underworld, but still he looks better and sounds better.

Many people are interested to know the reason Mr Aban refused to proceed the case of Mufaddal Saifuddin. Please inform

No idea on the reason for Mulla and Mulla recusing.

This whole bohra thing is beginning to feel like a bunch of BS. Looks like our souls are the merchandise in someone's business. How can they lead our souls to heaven in the afterlife when they cannot even manage a simple succession? Maybe the show does end when the lights go out. Let us enjoy the show!

So now they want people to discuss their feelings after watching the video. Adam finally you can express yourself to people like you.

Baad Salaam il Jameel,
Aap ne Syedna Taher Saifuddin RA aney Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin Aqa RA na zikra ni majlis ma hazir thawu naseeb thayu, Aqamaula tus ni hazrat ma bethi ne Aale Mohammed SA na ulum ni zikr suni, laqimat manzar dekhi basirat tez thai. Zaroor aap na dil par asar hasey. Ye Ne'mat no shukr karta huwa aap ne koi jazabaat, koi feelings share karwa hoi to zaroor hamne share karye. Hamesha apney Aqamaula tus ni doa mubarak ne haath jori talab karta rahye.

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I was not aware they were to show the video..I missed it because I knew SMS will hijack the day of STS death anniversary for self glorification. And anyway I don't recognise STS that much , Why can these bushra announcers ever say in advance what the agenda are ? I heard family member were stuck in for hours .

They came all blushing and reconverted and I needed to explain and challenge them what they saw was probably doctored and intentional. After 3 days they have come back to reality and agree that something was a miss with the way the video was put together . So thankfully the video impression is wearing off.

We are unable to get a mole who can leak such content ?

What my point is of the million Bohras no one not one ever recorded the video and they really followed the instructions of the kothar not to record it. What an example of how much obedience ...I am amazed. Bohras are really faithful slaves.
We reformists or SKQ have very little probability of success .

If, as claimed in this thread, these audio and video were presented to the court as evidence then surely SKQ side has access to them and can make them public. Although, given how they were forced to take down the Raudat Tahera video maybe they will not be allowed to.

SKQ has lost.
99% of my relatives and friends are now convinced that SMS is the rightful dai after this video. I guess same thing everywhere.
Well played by SMS camp !

Waiting for a last update on fatemidawat.com