GHAIB NA JAANKAR
GHAIB NA JAANKAR
Very often members say ghaib na jaankar first i think it should be said correctly as ghaib na jaannar if you dont agree with me try to listen how is it said in majlis and waaz, secondly on every big and small issues when there is no logical argument left members try to derail and bring this statement TOU PACHI EE TOU GHAIB NA JAANKAR CHE PACHI AEM KIM THAYO, iam not taking sides or favouring someone but this argument is foolish, if that is the criteria who can be a better jaannar then Allah then why did he produce people like firoun and yazeed, it is the will of Allah something that he wants people to go through and face these obstacles and during that process he may want to check the imaan of his beings or Allah knows better, now coming onto Maula if it is stated that he is the jannar of ghaib so were nabi wasi imam and all those at an elevated spiritual position including dai according to our belief but knowing something earlier doesnt give these personalities a license to intermingle with the will of Allah and they follow and obey his commands accordingly like imam Hussain was knowing from the very beginning about his shahadat, but on the last moment when Jibrael presented kidmat to destroy the enemies Maula Hussain asked jibrael YE BARABAR MAGAR KHUDA NI SOU MARZI CHE although everything was destined but this was asked and replied to show people like us the importance of the will of Allah and its acceptance by waliullah. who is the Dai is debatable but according to the bohra belief a Dai is the ghaib na jannar, what to talk about Dai even pious people are sometimes very much aware of future and many have predicted their deaths before time.
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think_for_yourself
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Good Job Salaar. You've got your sensible hat on today.
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jamanpasand
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No human is Ghaib na Jankar. Sometime the intuition works. If Mola was Ghaib na Jankar, then he would he would have made more money in lotteries and casinos instead squeezing his followers by Salam, Najwa, Ziafat etc. etc.
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No one has correctly predicted his time of death and Allah does not reveal this to anyone , this is clearly mentioned in Quran. Your entire post is made up of moot points.
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If the dai is really ghaib na jankar, then why do we have this mess of the nass? Even somebody with a minimum of common sense could have foreseen the problems and would have taken action to ensure a smooth transition. A simple device like a sealed envelope to be opened on the death of the incumbent and deposited with socially respectable institution like the courts could have solved the issue amicably.
There are so many issues where even simple foresight based on common sense could have avoided problems, but the "ghaib na jankar" was not able to understand. Sometimes, looking back at the actions of the incumbents, I feel, they have an IQ that is less than average, let alone being 'ghaib na Jankar". If any body is interested, I will put up incidents and occasions that prove my contention.
There are so many issues where even simple foresight based on common sense could have avoided problems, but the "ghaib na jankar" was not able to understand. Sometimes, looking back at the actions of the incumbents, I feel, they have an IQ that is less than average, let alone being 'ghaib na Jankar". If any body is interested, I will put up incidents and occasions that prove my contention.
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Ghaib Na Jaankar Chay Anay Dunya Nee Kaee Khabr Nathee ............. Saat Asman Peechchay Su Chay Janay Chay, Na'ak Na Neechay Su Thaee Raheu Chay Tay Nathee Janta ............ wah bahi wah .........
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ok my question is do you believe that RasoolAllah saww and panjatan were ghaib na jannar or you think they were not gifted with any quality above the normal human capacity ?
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I very much believe in the above but I would never put the Dai under this category, especially the corrupt ones who have made a business out of religion. Abdes believe that the Dai is Ghaib Na Jaankar because it has been drilled in their minds that Allah = Nabi (s.a.w.) = Mola Ali (a.s.) = Imams and as the Dai looks after hidden Imam's work hence = Dai !! In near future they may even be told that Dai = all the zaadas as they are from the same lineage, having the same so called "Royal" blood !! This is nothing short of a cultish mentality.salaar wrote:ok my question is do you believe that RasoolAllah saww and panjatan were ghaib na jannar or you think they were not gifted with any quality above the normal human capacity ?
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They were gifted people and qualities beyond normal human beings; bigger the task, reater the personality. Having said that I am nut sure if they were Ghaib Na Jaankar; I doubt that. Like Essa was a prophet and not son of God. All prophets were human beins with greater qualities but did not possess super natural qualities (yes one can argue they showed miracles, but with Allah's will - Allah has NOT given anyone the Knowledge of Unknown.)salaar wrote:ok my question is do you believe that RasoolAllah saww and panjatan were ghaib na jannar or you think they were not gifted with any quality above the normal human capacity ?
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My two cents worth:salaar wrote:ok my question is do you believe that RasoolAllah saww and panjatan were ghaib na jannar or you think they were not gifted with any quality above the normal human capacity ?
I believe they were good, decent human beings like us. If they were supermen or if they were ghaib na jaannar, then what they achieved is not surprising and does not mean anything, but they were great because in spite of being ordinary human beings they achieved miraculous success. And that's where God's miracle lies
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ok this is just that i was curious to know from you guys GOOD DECENT HUMAN BEINGS and thats all.
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Belief of the Ahle Sunnah about ‘ilm of the Ghayb
We, The Ahle As Sunnah, believe that Allah has given the knowledge of the Ghayb (unseen), to the Prophet [May Allah bless him and grant him peace], and that it is also permissable to say that our Prophet [May Allah bless him and grant him peace] knows the knowledge of the Ghayb. However, it is not possible, nor permissable to say that the Prophet’s [May Allah bless him and grant him peace] knowledge of the Ghayb is equal to that of Allah - or even like the knowledge of Allah, since Allah’s knowledge is His own and the Prophet’s [May Allah bless him and grant him peace] knowledge has been given to him by Allah.
Allah says in the Qur’an,
“These are the tidings of Unseen that We reveal to you in secret”.
Surah-Ale-Imran, verse 44.
“Nor will He disclose to you the secrets of the Unseen. But He chooses of His Apostles (For the purpose)”
Surah-Ale-Imran, verse 179.
“The Knower of Unseen reveals not His secret to anyone. Except to His chosen Messengers”.
Surah-Al-Jinn, verse 26.
“…Allah has sent down to you the Book and Wisdom and has taught to you what you did not know, and great is the grace of Allah upon you.”
Surah Al-Nisa, Verse 113.
Imam Tabari writes under this verse:
Allah TA’ALA has told the Prophet (May Allah bless him and grant him peace), you must thank Allah TA’ALA Who has informed you of what has already happened and what will happen in the future and this is a great grace of Allah upon you.
(Tafsir Tabari under verse 113 of Surah Al-Nisa).
http://www.alahazrat.net/islam/knowledg ... -gaib).php
We, The Ahle As Sunnah, believe that Allah has given the knowledge of the Ghayb (unseen), to the Prophet [May Allah bless him and grant him peace], and that it is also permissable to say that our Prophet [May Allah bless him and grant him peace] knows the knowledge of the Ghayb. However, it is not possible, nor permissable to say that the Prophet’s [May Allah bless him and grant him peace] knowledge of the Ghayb is equal to that of Allah - or even like the knowledge of Allah, since Allah’s knowledge is His own and the Prophet’s [May Allah bless him and grant him peace] knowledge has been given to him by Allah.
Allah says in the Qur’an,
“These are the tidings of Unseen that We reveal to you in secret”.
Surah-Ale-Imran, verse 44.
“Nor will He disclose to you the secrets of the Unseen. But He chooses of His Apostles (For the purpose)”
Surah-Ale-Imran, verse 179.
“The Knower of Unseen reveals not His secret to anyone. Except to His chosen Messengers”.
Surah-Al-Jinn, verse 26.
“…Allah has sent down to you the Book and Wisdom and has taught to you what you did not know, and great is the grace of Allah upon you.”
Surah Al-Nisa, Verse 113.
Imam Tabari writes under this verse:
Allah TA’ALA has told the Prophet (May Allah bless him and grant him peace), you must thank Allah TA’ALA Who has informed you of what has already happened and what will happen in the future and this is a great grace of Allah upon you.
(Tafsir Tabari under verse 113 of Surah Al-Nisa).
http://www.alahazrat.net/islam/knowledg ... -gaib).php
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prophet(s) was granted this knowledge, ilmul gaib for someone else not clear from these ayats, ALLAH can do and grant any thing.
wallah ho alam.
wallah ho alam.
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Sayyedina Khidr (Alay hissalaam) also knew the Ghayb?
Imam Tabari, Imam Qurtabi and Qadi Shawkani quote the following narration:
Ibn Abbas reported that Khidr was a man who did all his work with the knowledge of the Ghayb because he knew the Ghayb.
[Tafsir Tabari, Tafsir Qurtabi, Tafsir Fathul Qadir, by Imam Tabari, Qurtabi and Qadi Shawkani].
Imam Tabari, Imam Qurtabi and Qadi Shawkani quote the following narration:
Ibn Abbas reported that Khidr was a man who did all his work with the knowledge of the Ghayb because he knew the Ghayb.
[Tafsir Tabari, Tafsir Qurtabi, Tafsir Fathul Qadir, by Imam Tabari, Qurtabi and Qadi Shawkani].
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وَعِندَهُ مَفَاتِحُ الْغَيْبِ لاَ يَعْلَمُهَا إِلاَّ هُوَ وَيَعْلَمُ مَا فِي الْبَرِّ وَالْبَحْرِ وَمَا تَسْقُطُ مِن وَرَقَةٍ إِلاَّ يَعْلَمُهَا وَلاَ حَبَّةٍ فِي ظُلُمَاتِ الأَرْضِ وَلاَ رَطْبٍ وَلاَ يَابِسٍ إِلاَّ فِي كِتَابٍ مُّبِينٍ (6:59)
6:59 For, with Him are the keys to the things that are beyond the reach of a created being's perception: none knows them but He. And He knows all that is on land and in the sea; and not a leaf falls but He knows it; and neither is there a grain in the earth's deep darkness, nor anything: living or dead, but is recorded in [His] clear decree.
So according to the Quran, no one has the knowledge of the unseen but Allah.
“These are the tidings of Unseen that We reveal to you in secret”.
This is knowledge that is already revealed by Allah. So it is not unseen anymore. Even I have knowledge of the unseen that has been revealed to me by the Quran.
The prophet (saw) did not know the Quran and it was taught to him. We didn't know the Quran and it was taught to us. Let us not put 2 and 2 together to come up with 5. If anyone had knowledge of the unseen, then they would've done things to help people. If the Imam had the knowledge of the unseen, he would've helped the more than 2000 Afghan families who died in a landslide!! Your Imams should consider this as a test for their knowledge of unseen from Allah which they failed miserably. With this landslide, Allah was testing these fools who claim that they have the knowledge of the unseen. They were all proven wrong.
6:59 For, with Him are the keys to the things that are beyond the reach of a created being's perception: none knows them but He. And He knows all that is on land and in the sea; and not a leaf falls but He knows it; and neither is there a grain in the earth's deep darkness, nor anything: living or dead, but is recorded in [His] clear decree.
So according to the Quran, no one has the knowledge of the unseen but Allah.
“These are the tidings of Unseen that We reveal to you in secret”.
This is knowledge that is already revealed by Allah. So it is not unseen anymore. Even I have knowledge of the unseen that has been revealed to me by the Quran.
The prophet (saw) did not know the Quran and it was taught to him. We didn't know the Quran and it was taught to us. Let us not put 2 and 2 together to come up with 5. If anyone had knowledge of the unseen, then they would've done things to help people. If the Imam had the knowledge of the unseen, he would've helped the more than 2000 Afghan families who died in a landslide!! Your Imams should consider this as a test for their knowledge of unseen from Allah which they failed miserably. With this landslide, Allah was testing these fools who claim that they have the knowledge of the unseen. They were all proven wrong.
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Q) How can you say that Muhammad (May Allah bless him and grant him peace) has been given the knowledge of the Ghayb when Allah Almighty says in the Qur’an that there are five things of which no one has any knowledge about?
The relevant verse of the Qur’an is as follows:-
“Undoubtedly, Allah has the knowledge of the Hour, and He sends rain and knows what is in the wombs of the mothers and no soul knows in what land it will die. Undoubtedly, Allah is the Knower, All Aware”. (Surah Luqman Verse 34)
There are two answers to this:
The word used in this verse in Arabic is Adri, which refers to that knowledge which someone can attain by guessing. Of course the knowledge of the Unseen of the Prophet (May Allah bless him and grant him peace) was not by guessing. Allah informed this to him.
Hafidhh Ibn Kathir (who met and briefly studied with Ibn Taymiyya) has written in his famous commentary to the Qur’an, ‘Tafsir Ibn Kathir’, the meaning of this ayaat, namely, that no-one can find the knowledge of these things on there own endeavor. Only Allah can give this knowledge, for example Allah gives knowledge to the Angels whose duties are to control rain, and therefore on the command of Allah it rains.
Also Allah commands an Angel who goes into the mother’s womb and hangs a record around the child’s neck what he/she will do in their lifetime. This knowledge is not attained by the Angel but rather it is given by Allah Himself.
If the literal and direct meaning is taken from the above quoted ayaat, then it will mean that only Allah knows what is in the mothers womb but today, we can discover quite easily if the child is a male or female by modern scanning techniques.
If the Angels have some knowledge on the five Unseen things - given to them by Allah, why is it strange if the Prophet (May Allah bless him and grant him peace) also has some of this knowledge - again bestowed by Allah.
During the battle of Badr, the Prophet mentioned the names of the kafirs that were to die the next and also described the manner in which the companions would achieve martyrdom.
These are clear and authentic examples of the Prophet, (May Allah bless him and grant him peace), informing his ummah about future events, hidden from all else (ie ghayb), [Taken from Sahih Bukhari chapter on the Battle of Badr and also Tafsir Ibn Kathir on Surah Luqman Ayaat 34.]
(Q) Did Prophet Muhammad (May Allah bless him and grant him peace) not stop people from saying that he [May Allah bless him and grant him peace] had the knowledge of tomorrow?
On one occasion our Prophet (May Allah bless him and grant him peace) went to a wedding. There, the girls were singing about the battle of Badr. When they saw the Prophet (May Allah bless him and grant him peace) coming they stopped singing about Battle of Badr and started to sing that: "There is a Prophet amongst us that knows about tomorrow". The Prophet (May Allah bless him and grant him peace) said carry on singing what you were singing before. [Miskat chapter Nikah]
If he [May Allah bless him and grant him peace] knew about tomorrow, then why did he stop them from singing it?
The Answer to this is:
These poems were written by a Companion [Sahabi], and had it been incorrect, he [May Allah bless him and grant him peace] would have instructed them to stop immediately and not to repeat.
This means the poem was right. The reason he told them to stop singing was because a wedding celebration was taking place and he wanted them to sing the poem that they were singing before, and secondly he did not want them to praise him in the presence of himself. That was one of the beauties of our Prophet (May Allah bless him and grant him peace), that he didn’t like to be praised.
Everyone knows that our Prophet (May Allah bless him and grant him peace) did know about the future events up to the Day of Judgment and even after, how else could he have told us about the Mahdi, the Dajjal, the second coming of Jesus, the questions to be asked in the grave, the bridge over Hell which everyone will have to cross to get to Heaven, the Meezan (scales) where everyone’s actions will be weighed etc etc.
There are countless more proofs which show without a shadow of a doubt that the Beloved Messenger of Allah, (May Allah bless him and grant him peace), had been given the knowledge of the Ghayb (Unseen) and ALLAH is the knower of all things!
The relevant verse of the Qur’an is as follows:-
“Undoubtedly, Allah has the knowledge of the Hour, and He sends rain and knows what is in the wombs of the mothers and no soul knows in what land it will die. Undoubtedly, Allah is the Knower, All Aware”. (Surah Luqman Verse 34)
There are two answers to this:
The word used in this verse in Arabic is Adri, which refers to that knowledge which someone can attain by guessing. Of course the knowledge of the Unseen of the Prophet (May Allah bless him and grant him peace) was not by guessing. Allah informed this to him.
Hafidhh Ibn Kathir (who met and briefly studied with Ibn Taymiyya) has written in his famous commentary to the Qur’an, ‘Tafsir Ibn Kathir’, the meaning of this ayaat, namely, that no-one can find the knowledge of these things on there own endeavor. Only Allah can give this knowledge, for example Allah gives knowledge to the Angels whose duties are to control rain, and therefore on the command of Allah it rains.
Also Allah commands an Angel who goes into the mother’s womb and hangs a record around the child’s neck what he/she will do in their lifetime. This knowledge is not attained by the Angel but rather it is given by Allah Himself.
If the literal and direct meaning is taken from the above quoted ayaat, then it will mean that only Allah knows what is in the mothers womb but today, we can discover quite easily if the child is a male or female by modern scanning techniques.
If the Angels have some knowledge on the five Unseen things - given to them by Allah, why is it strange if the Prophet (May Allah bless him and grant him peace) also has some of this knowledge - again bestowed by Allah.
During the battle of Badr, the Prophet mentioned the names of the kafirs that were to die the next and also described the manner in which the companions would achieve martyrdom.
These are clear and authentic examples of the Prophet, (May Allah bless him and grant him peace), informing his ummah about future events, hidden from all else (ie ghayb), [Taken from Sahih Bukhari chapter on the Battle of Badr and also Tafsir Ibn Kathir on Surah Luqman Ayaat 34.]
(Q) Did Prophet Muhammad (May Allah bless him and grant him peace) not stop people from saying that he [May Allah bless him and grant him peace] had the knowledge of tomorrow?
On one occasion our Prophet (May Allah bless him and grant him peace) went to a wedding. There, the girls were singing about the battle of Badr. When they saw the Prophet (May Allah bless him and grant him peace) coming they stopped singing about Battle of Badr and started to sing that: "There is a Prophet amongst us that knows about tomorrow". The Prophet (May Allah bless him and grant him peace) said carry on singing what you were singing before. [Miskat chapter Nikah]
If he [May Allah bless him and grant him peace] knew about tomorrow, then why did he stop them from singing it?
The Answer to this is:
These poems were written by a Companion [Sahabi], and had it been incorrect, he [May Allah bless him and grant him peace] would have instructed them to stop immediately and not to repeat.
This means the poem was right. The reason he told them to stop singing was because a wedding celebration was taking place and he wanted them to sing the poem that they were singing before, and secondly he did not want them to praise him in the presence of himself. That was one of the beauties of our Prophet (May Allah bless him and grant him peace), that he didn’t like to be praised.
Everyone knows that our Prophet (May Allah bless him and grant him peace) did know about the future events up to the Day of Judgment and even after, how else could he have told us about the Mahdi, the Dajjal, the second coming of Jesus, the questions to be asked in the grave, the bridge over Hell which everyone will have to cross to get to Heaven, the Meezan (scales) where everyone’s actions will be weighed etc etc.
There are countless more proofs which show without a shadow of a doubt that the Beloved Messenger of Allah, (May Allah bless him and grant him peace), had been given the knowledge of the Ghayb (Unseen) and ALLAH is the knower of all things!
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as usual wahabi RSS agent anajmi steps in with wahabi material, but I would like to make clear ahlul sunna believes prophet(s) was granted ilmul gayb.
most resembling sect to bohras is sunni fiqh, subtracting idiocy of awwal sani saalis everything else is perfectly matched with bohra theology.
most resembling sect to bohras is sunni fiqh, subtracting idiocy of awwal sani saalis everything else is perfectly matched with bohra theology.
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Sufi Monk,
Since when have you been eating nutcakes?
With so many ghaib na jannars around, it is surprising you people are so ignorant.
Since when have you been eating nutcakes?
With so many ghaib na jannars around, it is surprising you people are so ignorant.
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And now, since we have this knowledge, after I give it to my son, I will become a ghaib na jannar for my son. And then I will feed him some nutcakes.Everyone knows that our Prophet (May Allah bless him and grant him peace) did know about the future events up to the Day of Judgment and even after, how else could he have told us about the Mahdi, the Dajjal, the second coming of Jesus, the questions to be asked in the grave, the bridge over Hell which everyone will have to cross to get to Heaven, the Meezan (scales) where everyone’s actions will be weighed etc etc.
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needofreform
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Hello every1, after skq claimed for the daiship i fell in conversation with a fidaai abde..nd argued that if moula was ghaib naa jaannar to evu thavu kivi rite possible chhe(not openly, but like showing concern about the situation, otherwise i wud hav been declare muddai), i was quite curious wat answer i wil get.....i got a iritating answer " ema pan moula ni kai hikmat hase" i realize how solid they get brainwash..
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Yes precisely. Hey once I told an abde that I am a ghaib na jannar. Then my baby made a big mess with his shit cause he didn't have any diapers on. My friend asked me why I couldn't see this since I am ghaib na jannar. I said to him that it was my hikmat and that I wanted to show him what baby shit looks like. The abde fell down in sajda to me and now calls me Al Hayy Al Muqaddas As Shams Wal Qamar.
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hahaha...Now a days it is realy very funny to talk to any abde on religious topic .. vaat vaat par sunvaa malse muffadal moula to muffaddal moulaj chhe
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you seems to be quiet engrossed and have a good command over shits.
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There is no such thing as ghaib na jaankar....a mere human I seriously doubt have the ability to be a ghaib na jaankar....it takes more than to be a human to know the past, present and the future....why are we all sooo superstitious. Our mullahs are mere humans and we have made them gods...worship these humans to be as gods...something is wrong with us not them....
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yeah thats right something is probably wrong with us when we start considering nabi wasi and panjatan as ordinary humans like us, the purpose of initiating this debate was to know how some of our members thinks about panjatan pak a.s. and i guess my doubts were not unfounded.
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conclusion of this conversation is SUNNIS does believes PROPHET(s) was aware of gaib and it is easy for ALLAH to grant such knowledge to any one he wishes.
how much SMB was aware of this knowledge is questionable.
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anajmi moron is unaware of sunni fiqh and anything coming from him should not be taken as sunni stand, he is wahabi joker and they are just good in blowing himself up (bombs) nothing else.
how much SMB was aware of this knowledge is questionable.
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anajmi moron is unaware of sunni fiqh and anything coming from him should not be taken as sunni stand, he is wahabi joker and they are just good in blowing himself up (bombs) nothing else.
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Sufi monkji please mind your language. Anajmi may get a bit overzealous with wahabbism and it is irksome but can I remind you that readers of both sexes visit this forum. I don't mean to be a prude but certain words are just not appropriate on a forum such as this. I feel sometimes that there is too much testosterone fuelled mudslinging going on here. Please gents, calm it down.
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I was talking about bomb blasts which they make every day on street of pakistan/iraq and syria.Spectator wrote:Sufi monkji please mind your language. Anajmi may get a bit overzealous with wahabbism and it is irksome but can I remind you that readers of both sexes visit this forum. I don't mean to be a prude but certain words are just not appropriate on a forum such as this. I feel sometimes that there is too much testosterone fuelled mudslinging going on here. Please gents, calm it down.
next time come with clean brain on ISLAMIC forum.
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humanbeing
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I take pride in considering Prophet and Panjatan to be ordinary human ! and being an ordinary human they achieved extra-ordinary ! Thank god they were not pompous, self glorifying, arrogant aristocrats like those in kothar.salaar wrote:yeah thats right something is probably wrong with us when we start considering nabi wasi and panjatan as ordinary humans like us, the purpose of initiating this debate was to know how some of our members thinks about panjatan pak a.s. and i guess my doubts were not unfounded.
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jamanpasand
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Opinion will vary depending upon your believe. Some out rightly reject it, some will stop at Nabi Wasi, some will extend it to Dai, some more will go down to Bhaisahebs, some more will filter it to Amils, finally ends with Bengali Najumi at Crowford market in Bombay or Empress market in Karachi.