Qutbuddin's sons assaulted by Burhani Guards

[james]

So many have come out of the woodwork!

My sources tell me that Sons of Khuzema along with 20-25 consorts tried to barge in Qubbah Mubarak and were very unruly with mumenaat in Qubbah.Imagine the terror and horror the women would feel when they are faced with 20-30 hooligans at the same time trying to push and shove them. After the initial skirmish,in order to create more fitnat in the month of Sherullah Moazzam and to stop people from doing zyarat and trying hardest to involve them in other activities,Sons of Khuzema went to JJ Police Station and played the "Woe is me" card. He tried to stir more trouble when he came back to Raudat Tahera with Police and with an air of superiority,his consorts tried to jump queue.When other mumineen objected to it,an unruly character named Haider Calcuttawala said some very bad words inside the Raudat and pushed one person and that is when people who were standing in the queue lost their cool and all hell broke loose.If the sons of Khuzema had come with the niyah of zyarat then they wouldn't have been accompanied by a mob of delinquent thugs.They were looking/hoping for a confrontation armed with handycam and taking video inside Raudat when it is clearly not allowed.If the hoodlums wanted to do zyarat,they should have stood in the queue like everyone else.

Why do they keep trying to confront the ladies and harass them ? This has happened before with Habeel Khorakiwala as well when he tried to enter Raudat Tahera via the Ladies Gate and when told not to,abused the mumineen and eventually things boiled over and he registered a false complaint at JJ Police Station.

[james]

Bro, what are you saying?! Stopping those infidels from doing ziyarat is a sin? Hell no. It is simply against the law of the land, and given the present delicate circumstances, it would be better to let them be instead of stopping/obstructing them. It is certainly not a gunaah to stop those lowlifes from doing ziyarat. Ideally those mumineen shouldn't have acted the way they did though, since this sort of reaction is EXACTLY why KQs sons came for Ziyarat. They are looking for dirt. They want to go tell the courts that they were prevented/beaten up when they went to perform ziyarat. They seek public sympathy. Their ziyarat is a farce and a public stunt. Mumineen should see through this. Mumineen seem to forget at times that Maula Mufaddal has to face the brunt of their actions. I do hope this doesn't happen again.

Did Burhanuddin Aqa not constantly guide us to follow the law of the land?! It is interesting to see with what disdain you hold the law of the land of your country - and hence Burhanuddin Aqa. Bro the more you try to hide the truth the more you reveal it.

And definitely for whatever reason, KEEP YOUR PAWS AND CLAWS OFF US when we come to do ziyarat.

Stand in the queue like everyone else and don't barge in the Qubbah with company of 30-40 people and all will be well.

[ghulam muhammed]

Inside raudat tahera, we see only the mufaddali women beating KQ's son and acting violently and not men ! This was a well planned attack because MS and his henchmen wanted that KQ's son and his followers react and counter attack the womenfolk so that they could lodge a police complaint against them for outraging a woman's modesty but their gameplan failed miserably as the other side preferred to remain calm and used their senses.

[Bohra spring]

Can someone name and shame the people in the video who were acting like hooligans

Someone somewhere must be knowing these men and women. Let the world know who they are .

[think_for_yourself]

So many have come out of the woodwork!

My sources tell me that Sons of Khuzema along with 20-25 consorts tried to barge in Qubbah Mubarak and were very unruly with mumenaat in Qubbah.Imagine the terror and horror the women would feel when they are faced with 20-30 hooligans at the same time trying to push and shove them. After the initial skirmish,in order to create more fitnat in the month of Sherullah Moazzam and to stop people from doing zyarat and trying hardest to involve them in other activities,Sons of Khuzema went to JJ Police Station and played the "Woe is me" card. He tried to stir more trouble when he came back to Raudat Tahera with Police and with an air of superiority,his consorts tried to jump queue.When other mumineen objected to it,an unruly character named Haider Calcuttawala said some very bad words inside the Raudat and pushed one person and that is when people who were standing in the queue lost their cool and all hell broke loose.If the sons of Khuzema had come with the niyah of zyarat then they wouldn't have been accompanied by a mob of delinquent thugs.They were looking/hoping for a confrontation armed with handycam and taking video inside Raudat when it is clearly not allowed.If the hoodlums wanted to do zyarat,they should have stood in the queue like everyone else.

Why do they keep trying to confront the ladies and harass them ? This has happened before with Habeel Khorakiwala as well when he tried to enter Raudat Tahera via the Ladies Gate and when told not to,abused the mumineen and eventually things boiled over and he registered a false complaint at JJ Police Station.

A picture speaks a thousand words. Watch the video. The woman is hitting Hussain Bhaisab's head! He is calmly doing ziyarat! I see the brothers around him calm and collected! Sorry your lies won't fly here. And does your impostor of a dai and his sons stand in line to do ziyarat? Why should the Haq na Dai or his sons?

[james]

Can someone name and shame the people in the video who were acting like hooligans

Someone somewhere must be knowing these men and women. Let the world know who they are .

Haider Calcuttawala

Shabbir Dana

Habeel Khorakiwala

Shabbir Tambawala

Arsiwala Brothers are some of them according to my sources.

[ghulam muhammed]

Can someone name and shame the people in the video who were acting like hooligans

Someone somewhere must be knowing these men and women. Let the world know who they are .

The world knows that these hooligans were Muffys followers and that's more then enough. The very fact that there has been no official condemnation from Muffy's office also proves that he himself was a party to the incident who played his cards behind the curtain !

[james]

So many have come out of the woodwork!

My sources tell me that Sons of Khuzema along with 20-25 consorts tried to barge in Qubbah Mubarak and were very unruly with mumenaat in Qubbah.Imagine the terror and horror the women would feel when they are faced with 20-30 hooligans at the same time trying to push and shove them. After the initial skirmish,in order to create more fitnat in the month of Sherullah Moazzam and to stop people from doing zyarat and trying hardest to involve them in other activities,Sons of Khuzema went to JJ Police Station and played the "Woe is me" card. He tried to stir more trouble when he came back to Raudat Tahera with Police and with an air of superiority,his consorts tried to jump queue.When other mumineen objected to it,an unruly character named Haider Calcuttawala said some very bad words inside the Raudat and pushed one person and that is when people who were standing in the queue lost their cool and all hell broke loose.If the sons of Khuzema had come with the niyah of zyarat then they wouldn't have been accompanied by a mob of delinquent thugs.They were looking/hoping for a confrontation armed with handycam and taking video inside Raudat when it is clearly not allowed.If the hoodlums wanted to do zyarat,they should have stood in the queue like everyone else.

Why do they keep trying to confront the ladies and harass them ? This has happened before with Habeel Khorakiwala as well when he tried to enter Raudat Tahera via the Ladies Gate and when told not to,abused the mumineen and eventually things boiled over and he registered a false complaint at JJ Police Station.

A picture speaks a thousand words. Watch the video. The woman is hitting Hussain Bhaisab's head! He is calmly doing ziyarat! I see the brothers around him calm and collected! Sorry your lies won't fly here. And does your impostor of a dai and his sons stand in line to do ziyarat? Why should the Haq na Dai or his sons?

Highlight the lies.

Are you denying that sons of Khuzema came with a mob of 25-30 people ? Are you denying that they tried to jump queue?

Perhaps the three sons of Khuzema would have been given a chance to do zyarat by the people standing in queue but no one would allow group of 25-30 to jump queue.

[ghulam muhammed]

Haider Calcuttawala

Shabbir Dana

Habeel Khorakiwala

Shabbir Tambawala

Arsiwala Brothers are some of them according to my sources.

It means that the ones who were beaten up were Mufaddal Saifuddin, Qaid Johar, Malek ul Ashtar and Dr. Moiz !!

[james]

Can someone name and shame the people in the video who were acting like hooligans

Someone somewhere must be knowing these men and women. Let the world know who they are .

The world knows that these hooligans were Muffys followers and that's more then enough. The very fact that there has been no official condemnation from Muffy's office also proves that he himself was a party to the incident who played his cards behind the curtain !

Regarding official condemnation duplicity, could you please cite examples of the same issued by Khuzema after various Udaipur skirmishes and even the alleged Galiakot incident ?

[Bohra spring]

Can someone name and shame the people in the video who were acting like hooligans

Someone somewhere must be knowing these men and women. Let the world know who they are .

Haider Calcuttawala

Shabbir Dana

Habeel Khorakiwala

Shabbir Tambawala

Arsiwala Brothers are some of them according to my sources.

Your sources know SKQ team names , what about the men and women jostling the visitors ?

[james]

Haider Calcuttawala

Shabbir Dana

Habeel Khorakiwala

Shabbir Tambawala

Arsiwala Brothers are some of them according to my sources.

Your sources know SKQ team names , what about the men and women jostling the visitors ?

Thank you for admitting Khuzema's sons were flanked by his team (so eloquent) who wanted to stir trouble and harass the people already present for zyarat.If only his "team" had stood in the queue for zyarat and not harassed the ladies over there.If only!

[Bohra spring]

So many have come out of the woodwork!

My sources tell me that Sons of Khuzema along with 20-25 consorts tried to barge in Qubbah Mubarak and were very unruly with mumenaat in Qubbah.Imagine the terror and horror the women would feel when they are faced with 20-30 hooligans at the same time trying to push and shove them. After the initial skirmish,in order to create more fitnat in the month of Sherullah Moazzam and to stop people from doing zyarat and trying hardest to involve them in other activities,Sons of Khuzema went to JJ Police Station and played the "Woe is me" card. He tried to stir more trouble when he came back to Raudat Tahera with Police and with an air of superiority,his consorts tried to jump queue.When other mumineen objected to it,an unruly character named Haider Calcuttawala said some very bad words inside the Raudat and pushed one person and that is when people who were standing in the queue lost their cool and all hell broke loose.If the sons of Khuzema had come with the niyah of zyarat then they wouldn't have been accompanied by a mob of delinquent thugs.They were looking/hoping for a confrontation armed with handycam and taking video inside Raudat when it is clearly not allowed.If the hoodlums wanted to do zyarat,they should have stood in the queue like everyone else.

Why do they keep trying to confront the ladies and harass them ? This has happened before with Habeel Khorakiwala as well when he tried to enter Raudat Tahera via the Ladies Gate and when told not to,abused the mumineen and eventually things boiled over and he registered a false complaint at JJ Police Station.

Really ...so sms . conspiracy theory says they would come unescorted to provoke the SMS loyalists right at the centre of your system. ..what is the excuse for hitting them when they were living...or conveniently they made verbal abuses. Ok the lies get better..

What about making it even more spicy and interesting ...

[james]

So many have come out of the woodwork!

My sources tell me that Sons of Khuzema along with 20-25 consorts tried to barge in Qubbah Mubarak and were very unruly with mumenaat in Qubbah.Imagine the terror and horror the women would feel when they are faced with 20-30 hooligans at the same time trying to push and shove them. After the initial skirmish,in order to create more fitnat in the month of Sherullah Moazzam and to stop people from doing zyarat and trying hardest to involve them in other activities,Sons of Khuzema went to JJ Police Station and played the "Woe is me" card. He tried to stir more trouble when he came back to Raudat Tahera with Police and with an air of superiority,his consorts tried to jump queue.When other mumineen objected to it,an unruly character named Haider Calcuttawala said some very bad words inside the Raudat and pushed one person and that is when people who were standing in the queue lost their cool and all hell broke loose.If the sons of Khuzema had come with the niyah of zyarat then they wouldn't have been accompanied by a mob of delinquent thugs.They were looking/hoping for a confrontation armed with handycam and taking video inside Raudat when it is clearly not allowed.If the hoodlums wanted to do zyarat,they should have stood in the queue like everyone else.

Why do they keep trying to confront the ladies and harass them ? This has happened before with Habeel Khorakiwala as well when he tried to enter Raudat Tahera via the Ladies Gate and when told not to,abused the mumineen and eventually things boiled over and he registered a false complaint at JJ Police Station.

Really ...so sms . conspiracy theory says they would come unescorted to provoke the SMS loyalists right at the centre of your system. ..what is the excuse for hitting them when they were living...or conveniently they made verbal abuses. Ok the lies get better..

What about making it even more spicy and interesting ...

Do you wanna have a go again?

[ghulam muhammed]

Regarding official condemnation duplicity, could you please cite examples of the same issued by Khuzema after various Udaipur skirmishes and even the alleged Galiakot incident ?

Official condemnation is issued by the office of the Dai and the incidents that you are referring to had taken place during the era of 52nd Dai, hence it was the 52nd Dai's prerogative to issue statements and not SKQ as he was only a Mazun during that time.

[james]

Regarding official condemnation duplicity, could you please cite examples of the same issued by Khuzema after various Udaipur skirmishes and even the alleged Galiakot incident ?

Official condemnation is issued by the office of the Dai and the incidents that you are referring to had taken place during the era of 52nd Dai, hence it was the 52nd Dai's prerogative to issue statements and not SKQ as he was only a Mazun during that time.

Gotcha!

Did the 52nd Dai RA issue statements after various Udaipur skirmishes and alleged Galiakot incident?

[think_for_yourself]

A picture speaks a thousand words. Watch the video. The woman is hitting Hussain Bhaisab's head! He is calmly doing ziyarat! I see the brothers around him calm and collected! Sorry your lies won't fly here. And does your impostor of a dai and his sons stand in line to do ziyarat? Why should the Haq na Dai or his sons?

Highlight the lies.

Are you denying that sons of Khuzema came with a mob of 25-30 people ? Are you denying that they tried to jump queue?

Perhaps the three sons of Khuzema would have been given a chance to do zyarat by the people standing in queue but no one would allow group of 25-30 to jump queue.

Highlighted the lies for you. Plus the only "attack" we saw was from the woman in the brown rida. The only shrieking was by the ladies. The men escorting the bhaisabs were calm and collected and the epitome of good manners. Why don't you publish the name of the woman in brown rida hitting Hussain Bhaisab on the head. Do these women shout and scream when Mufaddal Saifuddin and his cohorts jump the line?

[think_for_yourself]

The Dai apologised everytime mumineen hurt the sentiments of other communities we live amongst. The lanat incident comes to mind.

[Kharas_Mithas]

Another attempt to derail the subject!!!!! Shameful act by followers of SMS, Tarbiyat se tabiyat jhalakti he. They even forgot all this was done in front of SMB grave. QJ even recited lanat on the incidence, SKQ sons came to pay respect on grave of SMB and showed a great example of it. Whereas the other side revealed what they are taught. Ladies even do not know the ehtraam expected by shariyat-e-rasool.

[Rebel]

Almost 70 percent of the community members are illiterate and absolutely no idea of the principles of Islam. To them Moula is considered Allah. The religion of Islam is intermingled with pagan and othe Hindu practices and according to bohras they practice the most pure and clean form of Islam not realizing the clergy has deformed the concept of religion to serve their purpose.
The video shows how intolerant our community is towards others. The beating and insults of members of the same family tree is living example of how clergy conditions the people to act if they confront KQ and his family. I consider my religion to be fake and un Islamic and in fact this is what we see in every part of bohra community. Why wouldn't they insult alvi, sulemani and other bohras and pick on the KQ group? And why would KQ gang visit the site when they know the problems are so much heightened in the present days? Be it MS or KQ we are all following a religion of pagan rituals immersed in magical, mystical and illogical practices. Bohra religion is based on hatred of others and I have seen it among every aspect of their lives. They hate and insult all other communities all the time and yet live with them to survive - so strange.

[MMH]

Do we hit anyone on the head...let alone hitting on the head when someone come to pay respects on a dai's grave. Hitting on the head is the lowest form of disrespect one can show towards a human being. The SMS floating around states 'bairao e ghani bahaduri dikhaari' I mean by hitting a gair mard on the head is no bahaduri...if this video gets circulated amongst other communities can you imagine how uncouth and insolent our women folk will look. That too in Raudat Tahera..this is how women who live in slums behave.

[Rebel]

Do we hit anyone on the head...let alone hitting on the head when someone come to pay respects on a dai's grave. Hitting on the head is the lowest form of disrespect one can show towards a human being. The SMS floating around states 'bairao e ghani bahaduri dikhaari' I mean by hitting a gair mard on the head is no bahaduri...if this video gets circulated amongst other communities can you imagine how uncouth and insolent our women folk will look. That too in Raudat Tahera..this is how women who live in slums behave.

Most of the people following MS and the gang are a reflection of their own Dai. Members do the community are mad, violent and intolerant with no shame. If the Dai is good, if he preaches truth, honesty and compassion and love, it is understood the people will be good and follow his preachings. If the Dai has psychological problems than God save the followers of the bohra community. The psychiatric problem begins form the top Dai and leads to the community members. The madman MS is not a human, he is satan in disguise.

[ghulam muhammed]

Bro Bohra Spring, think-for-yourself and others,

Please don't get carried away by what James is saying because what he is doing is that he is enacting scenes of the various Qadambosi bethaks, deedar dramas, ziyafat occasions etc. of his Dai, he has only changed the characters !!

[salaar]

Iam in the meesaq of Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin and seeing how my fellow believers were behaving my head bowed down with shame, Maula Ali said "brave is the one who has the power to take revenge but forgives" is this the way to forgive, when Maulana Hur a.s stopped the qafla of Maula Hussain they were dying with thirst what Maula Hussain did he asked his soldiers to provide water to the thirsty soldiers of yazeed and their horses as well, this is our teaching this is our belief, what a piece of bravery exhibited by this bunch who call themselves mumineen but their act is in direct contrast, the women were especially proving their indecency, iam really upset by this rude and barbaric behavior infact the SKQ group deserve appologies of the highest order. may Allah bestow us the spirit of tolerance against those who differ with us and not to behave like fauj e shaam.

[ghulam muhammed]

There is a saying which fits this situation perfectly..... "Jaisa Raja, waisi Praja" !!

[kimanumanu]

There is no defence for this sort of behaviour. I would implore those who are trying to put a positive spin on it to instead reflect and think of what we can do to change this mindset in our community.

[ghulam muhammed]

The news has appeared even in Canada's newspapers :-

Mumbai security men attack rival Islamic leader’s sons during holy month of Ramadan


http://www.vancouverdesi.com/lifestyle/ ... um/766808/

[Rebel]

Iam in the meesaq of Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin and seeing how my fellow believers were behaving my head bowed down with shame, Maula Ali said "brave is the one who has the power to take revenge but forgives" is this the way to forgive, when Maulana Hur a.s stopped the qafla of Maula Hussain they were dying with thirst what Maula Hussain did he asked his soldiers to provide water to the thirsty soldiers of yazeed and their horses as well, this is our teaching this is our belief, what a piece of bravery exhibited by this bunch who call themselves mumineen but their act is in direct contrast, the women were especially proving their indecency, iam really upset by this rude and barbaric behavior infact the SKQ group deserve appologies of the highest order. may Allah bestow us the spirit of tolerance against those who differ with us and not to behave like fauj e shaam.

There are a few good people like you who can see through the problems in the community. Remember, that to the common bohra Maula is akin to Allah. They will do commit every sin as it is command their God the Dai. If followers act the way they do, it is an index that leaders are silently behind the scenes promoting hatred in the community. Tolerance is never to be found in our heritage. As far as I know beginning from 51 Dai and his family, all of them are ruthless usurpers of human rights and will destroy everything and everyone that comes in there path of opposition.

[Rebel]

So many have come out of the woodwork!

My sources tell me that Sons of Khuzema along with 20-25 consorts tried to barge in Qubbah Mubarak and were very unruly with mumenaat in Qubbah.Imagine the terror and horror the women would feel when they are faced with 20-30 hooligans at the same time trying to push and shove them. After the initial skirmish,in order to create more fitnat in the month of Sherullah Moazzam and to stop people from doing zyarat and trying hardest to involve them in other activities,Sons of Khuzema went to JJ Police Station and played the "Woe is me" card. He tried to stir more trouble when he came back to Raudat Tahera with Police and with an air of superiority,his consorts tried to jump queue.When other mumineen objected to it,an unruly character named Haider Calcuttawala said some very bad words inside the Raudat and pushed one person and that is when people who were standing in the queue lost their cool and all hell broke loose.If the sons of Khuzema had come with the niyah of zyarat then they wouldn't have been accompanied by a mob of delinquent thugs.They were looking/hoping for a confrontation armed with handycam and taking video inside Raudat when it is clearly not allowed.If the hoodlums wanted to do zyarat,they should have stood in the queue like everyone else.

Why do they keep trying to confront the ladies and harass them ? This has happened before with Habeel Khorakiwala as well when he tried to enter Raudat Tahera via the Ladies Gate and when told not to,abused the mumineen and eventually things boiled over and he registered a false complaint at JJ Police Station.

A picture speaks a thousand words. Watch the video. The woman is hitting Hussain Bhaisab's head! He is calmly doing ziyarat! I see the brothers around him calm and collected! Sorry your lies won't fly here. And does your impostor of a dai and his sons stand in line to do ziyarat? Why should the Haq na Dai or his sons?

Hey 007 - your Dai is behind this turmoil in the community. Hijacking and conditioning to hate others is the basic practice of TS, MB and now the bipolar MS who is suffering from multiple personality disorder. Go get him checked somewhere in Germany as forefathers were given treatments there as well.

[james]

Highlight the lies.

Are you denying that sons of Khuzema came with a mob of 25-30 people ? Are you denying that they tried to jump queue?

Perhaps the three sons of Khuzema would have been given a chance to do zyarat by the people standing in queue but no one would allow group of 25-30 to jump queue.

Highlighted the lies for you. Plus the only "attack" we saw was from the woman in the brown rida. The only shrieking was by the ladies. The men escorting the bhaisabs were calm and collected and the epitome of good manners. Why don't you publish the name of the woman in brown rida hitting Hussain Bhaisab on the head. Do these women shout and scream when Mufaddal Saifuddin and his cohorts jump the line?

Say,what ?

Opinions cannot be construed as "lies".The fact remains,3 sons of Khuzema were leading a mob of 25-30 people when there were already people in the Qubbah Mubarak doing zyarat or waiting for their turn in the queue. You may offer him a wide berth of having noble intentions of zyarah the first time around.You cannot excuse his nefarious intentions the second time when he instigated the Police against people coming for zyarah in the garb of seeking protection.It would be idiocy to assume that the love for Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA arose one fine day on 4th July 2014. Wasn't there a hearing today in Gujarat High Court IIRC ? If it is,then the intentions are for all to see.

If the purpose was to prevent the mob of 20-25 people from doing zyarah,then there would be absolutely no way for them to even reach the door of Qubbah let alone step inside it.The mob of 20-25 people created mischief and antagonized the people present there already in the queue.If they wouldn't have done that, nothing would have happened. Masochistic bunch of nutjobs seeking trouble deliberately !