silvertongue wrote:In this forum, every Tom Dick & Harry talks like a learned scholar or Maulana. Sending Lanats on each other and abusing. My challenge and question is How much does one believe in what is written. We all know that Quran is a context so it doesnt cover up everything and that is why we have Hadiths which some find authentic and some dont. That depends on narrators as well. So Where do we stand. Instead of a fight, let us all get together and find these pure authentic sources from the Quran & the Hadith/Sunnah/Books to reach a definite conclusion about our beliefs. And if it contradicts to what you currently believe, are you wiling to change it? thats more important....
Excerpt of an article found on the internet :-
I've been a student of Hadeeth literature for more than three years . Analytically , critically and subjectively reading, material called the " Sahih books " and also the four books of the Shi'i sect including the Nahajal Balagha . This sectarian view among the Muslims arises from opinions , gathered from books other than the Qur'an .
I've been searching for answers for a little more than two and half decades , then came across some material from Al-Azhar university Cairo . This person is the Deen or head of the university , in correspondence with another stalwart Alim . The first question this Stalwart Alim asks the Deen is " - The first generations of Muslims did not follow the Sunni Imams that is the Four imams of the Sunni sect . (2) the doors of Ijthehad were open among the Muslims and their rulers , why were they closed. Other then the Qurani'c concept , man made opinions were made compulsory ?
The messenger of Allah passed away in eleven Hijri. ( 11th Hijra )
a) Abu Hanifa ( no proper name , only father of Hanifa ) born in 80AH died in 150 AH.
b) Imam malik , born in 95AH died in 169 AH .
c) Imam Shafii born in 150 AH died in 204 AH .
d) Imam ibn Hanbal ( no name father , son of Hanbal ) born in 164 AH died in 241 AH .
then comes the supreme clergy of Arabia , from whom the supreme Muttawa bin baaz took inspiration . Ashari born in 270 AH died in 302 AH . The first three generations of early Muslims did not follow these four Imams , they followed the Taabin and tabe-taabin .
Then comes the era of the Six great collectors and compilers of Hadith literature .
*) Imam Bukhari ( Mohammed ibn Ismail Bukhari from Bukhara then Faras (Persia ) = Iran now .
*) Imam Muslim ( Muslim ibn al Hijjaj al Qushyasi from Nishapur Iran ( Faras )
*) Imam Tirmizi from the city of Tarmind = Faras , Iran .
*)Imam abu Dawud ( no name - only father of ) from the city of seestan =Iran then Faras.
*) Ibn -e - Maaja ( no name - only son of ) from Qizween =Iran then Faras .
*) Imam Abdur Rahman Nasssi from Nassa ,Khuransan = Faras .
One will observe , none of these persons are of Arab origin . Then comes the surprising aspect of all , Imam Bukhari himself claims , that at the age of mere TEN he set out to collect and compile traditions of the holy prophet .
Then he adds one more interesting aspect to it.
He claims , for every tradition he heard he required two witness , then he would perform ablution , pray two raka nafil Namaz then make note of these traditions .( sayings of the prophet) In his own words , he collected more than Eight lakh traditions ! He then sat down to SIFT them , thereby discarding more than eight lakh traditions , presumably claiming six thousand Hadiths as authentic , out of which two thousand are repetitions , that means only four thousand are firm and authentic . So also the five others .
By what manner of measurement or judgement Bukhari discarded eight lakh traditions remain a mystery ? ( in his own word : if one rejects , even one tradition of the prophet ceases to be a Muslim ) Was it to imply that he was not ?
Now comes the real eye opener : who and where were the sources for these six imams ?
According to this correspondence from the head of Al-Azhar university , Cairo ,Sunni Alim Shaykh Salim al-Bishri , says ,The other Alim with whom he corresponded claims ,
these six Imams never travelled to Arabia nor Medina but to Kufah now part of Iraq , which then was a Satellite town of the Zoroastrian Persian ( Faras ), which had not forgiven the messenger of Islam nor the Arabs for destroying their ancient Zoroastrian Persian culture . Persia Now Iran was then a world power. Neither the Jews forgave , for being driven out of Medina and Khyber .
The soil of Kufah was then the hot bed of the Khariji people ( hypocrites ) who would claim to have become Muslims for opportunities then renounce that they had become Muslim . They were the first innovators among the Muslims . The apostate among the Muslims had adopted the first name Khariji , then Rafidi and then the first Shia . from wherein the concept of Shi'ism started .
Time now for some real hard facts :the other Alim - Abd al Husayn Sraraf-al Din claims he has
a list of more than hundred names of Kufi Shi'i scholars , who were the actual source for the six Imama of Sunna to learn ,collect and compile their traditions from .
Here are some of their names :-
* Aban ibn Taghlib, ibn Riyah : Qari or reciter of the Quran , a disciple of Imam Zain al-Abidin . Muslim writers of Sunna : Abu Dawud , Tirmidhi , Nasai and ibn- Majah have taken traditions for their Sahih .
* Ibrahim ibn Yazid, ibn Amr ibn Aswad ibn amral-Nukhai the Jurist of Kufah .
* Ahmed ibn Mufaddal ibn al Kufi al Hafri .
* Ismail ibn Aban al Azadi al Kufi al Warraq : was a teacher and Shaykh of Bukhari .
* Ismail ibn Zakariya, Khalqani al Kufi : the authors of the six books of Sahih have borrowed his traditions for their books .
* Ismail ibn Abbad, ibn Abbas al Taliqani : he was the vazir under the Abbasid Khalifa Mu'ayid-al-Dawla Wlami . Taliqani being the first shi'i rose to the rank of VAZIR for two reasons , first for being a Shi'i and then belonging to the princely family of the powerful Zoroastrain family the Buwayhiyah family of Persia .
* Ismail ibn Abd al Rahman ibn Karimah the famous commentator known as Al-Suddi : he was the author who severely criticized the first and second Khalifa of Islam .
Tirmidhi , Abu Dawud , ibn maaja and Nasai have taken traditions from him .
* Harith ibn Abdullah al Hamdani :
* Habib ibn Abu Tahbit al asadi al Kahili al Kufi ;
the six books of traditions have without restraint borrowed from him even after knowing that he was a stauch Shi'i .
* Al Hasan ibn Hayy whose real name was Salih ibn salih Hamdani
:He was a great critic of Uthman.
* Hammad ibn isa al Juhani al kufi : he was assigned an abbreviation Ta Qaf for the numerous times the sunna writers borrowed traditions from him .
* Himran ibn A'yun , an abbreviation was coined for him as Qaf .
* Khalid ibn mukhlad al Qutwani abu al Haytam al Kufi : A Shaykh , a teacher and mentor of Bukhari . Bukhari has taken traditions directly from him .
* Zayd ibn habab al Hasan al Kufi al Tamimi : A pillar of Kufi traditions .
* Sulayman ibn Surd al Khuza'i al Kufi : one of the great shi'i form Kufa . Sahi Bukhari has taken tradition for his SAHIH .
*Sulayman ibn al Taymi al Basri .all the writers of the six books have borrowed from his traditions .
* Sha'bah ibn al Hujjaj surname abu Bastam : Iraqi : six books of Sahih have taken his traditions .
* Sa sa ah ibn Sawhan ibn Hajar al Abdi al Kufi : he is one of the writers of the battle of Jamal
*Ubaydullah ibn Musa al Abasi al Kufi ; teacher of Bukhari .Bukhari mentions in his Sahih of him as one of his teachers .
* Muhammed ibn Abdullah al Hakim al Naysaburi : he was a hafiz and recorder of traditions. It is he who says that the holy prophet was born CTRCUMCISED and smiling , he was a staunch Shi'i who held firmly to the claim that Ali was the actual successor of the prophet .
* Muhammed ibn Muslim ibn Ta'ifi : the first author of the book of WUDU = ablutions .
* Nuh ibn Qays ibn al hadani al Tahi al Basri : author of the book on drinks .
* Hisham ibn Ammar ibn Nasir ibn Maysarah abu al Walid : author of the books of sales , measures , war drinks and qualities ; He was the teacher of Bukhari and Bukhari has incorporated his traditions under those chapters or books .
The list is exhaustive , some of these should suffice to give an idea of where these traditions originated in the name of the holy messenger of Allah .Perhaps these are without prejudice and without bias . this should answer many questions about the authenticity of the books of traditions .
. All Ahadeets are not about shia sunni fight.