Dawoodi Bohra Forum

Ok. That is one way to look at it. But it doesn't make any sense. If the war of Karbala was a religious war, then was Yazid fighting to preserve the deen? Definitely not. Was he fighting to expand his empire? kind of yes since if Hussain would've agreed to accept him as his khalifa, Yazid would've h...

You didn't answer my question though. What is the difference between a religious war and a political war? What is the criteria to classify a war as one or the other? Since you are absolutely certain about Karbala being a religious war and not political, you should be able to answer that question fai...

So no one can tell me the difference between a religious war and a political war as per the Shia/Bohra?

secondly only some radicals and ahle sunnat wa jamaat beleive siffin was politcal war. some say there is some ambiguious ness in it ok --even if it was a politcal war Karbala was definitely not by any stretch of imagination. Can you please tell me the differences between a war that is religious and...

Aw come on. Muawiyah and Yazid are the cornerstone of bohra religion. They get mentioned almost as much as Ali and Hussain if not more. So much so that the last few bohra Dais actually followed in the footsteps of Muawiyah and Yazid (as we both agree). And other Shias too who value their Gaddi far m...

So religion can be separated from politics? We can remove Muawiyah and Yazid from the picture (as you suggest removing tyrants from the picture) or not (maybe you want to remove only some tyrants from the picture and not all?) cause then it doesn't suit our political agenda? Sorry I am getting my lu...

But since as per you, religion cannot be separated from politics where does that leave people like you? No longer Muslims? Same as those who follow Muawiyah and Yazid? Unable to follow the teachings of the prophet (ﷺ) because your leaders are corrupt? Or can you go back to the times when things were...

If it wasn't politics then it was religion and if so, then I have some bad news for brother Biradar. His Dai and his Dai's competitor are all following the religion of Muawiya and Yazid who were ready to split the Ummah rather than accept someone else as the true successor. They gave the gaddi to th...

Kya hua? Pol khul gayi? Saare Ali waale tere Jaise jhoote hai kya?

Abe aql ke aur ankh ke andhe. Dikha de kahan par Muawiya ko RA kaha hai. Aur agar nahin dikha saka to chullu bhar pani le aur doob ja.

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Hazrat Abu Bakr Siddiq (ra), Hazrat Umar Farooq (ra), Hazrat Uthman ibn Affan (ra) and Hazrat Ali (ra) these are the 4 rightly guided khalifas of Islam. Muawiyah was a politician who wanted power for himself and his son just like the bohra Dais of today, the ayatollahs of Iran or the Kings of Saudi ...

anyone who mentions ra besides the name of whom, who faught with rightly guided caliph deserves LA after his name.
you cannot claim that who fought with rightly guided caliph--both are right.

Both cannot be right. But both can definitely be wrong.

No Muawiyah was a sahabi of the prophet (ﷺ)
No he was not.
No he was.
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1400 years later
No he was not
No he was.

My point is, who is following in the footsteps of Muawiyah and Yazid?

Muawiyah is respected because he was a sahabi of the prophet (ﷺ). However, Sunni still do not consider him to be from amongst the Khulafa-e-Rashideen. The rightly guided khalifas. The bohra Dais and their sons are actually more like Muawiyah and Yazid than they are like Ali (ra) and his sons. The Bo...

Khadija (ra) gets mentioned in Sunni mosques quiet frequently when the discussion is about women or about those who supported the Prophet (ﷺ) during his first and his worst days. She gets mentioned in the year of sorrow when she and the prophet's (ﷺ) uncle passed away. Salaam With all due respect, ...

Khadija (ra) gets mentioned in Sunni mosques quiet frequently when the discussion is about women or about those who supported the Prophet (ﷺ) during his first and his worst days. She gets mentioned in the year of sorrow when she and the prophet's (ﷺ) uncle passed away.

I am not saying that. Allah is saying that in the Quran. And yes, the prophet (saw) is unique and the best human being, but there is a reason why Allah chooses to call out his status in the Quran. So that people don’t do what they did to Isa (as) or what the Bohras did to Ali (ra). But hey, the foll...

Of course, if you plug in the Dai and the Imam in every ayah, then everything goes.

Here is another interesting ayah. Beauty of google search أَمِ ٱتَّخَذُواْ مِن دُونِهِ أَوْلِيَآءَ فَٱللَّهُ هُوَ ٱلْوَلِىُّ وَهُوَ يُحْيِـى ٱلْمَوْتَىٰ وَهُوَ عَلَىٰ كُلِّ شَيْءٍ قَدِيرٌ How can they take protectors besides Him? Allah alone is the Protector. He ˹alone˺ gives life to the dead. And H...

This Brought a smile to my face. Plug in the Dai and the Imam everywhere. See the moon, plug in the Dai, see the women, plug in the Dai, see the river of honey, plug in the Dai :-) Now we just have to figure out which Dai it is going to be. ;-) The key Pillar of Islam is that of walayaat, i.e. the l...

Wouldn't the companions of the Ark be the animals that were loaded on the ark in pairs? They were definitely not companions of Nuh(as). Unless the animals are the taawil for something?

Forgot to add the Alavi Bohra Dai to the mix. Yeah he claims the exact same thing.

It is amazing how the STFs and SMSs and SMBs will not miss an opportunity to glorify themselves or to justify their claims to power. Doesn’t matter if it is on the backs of the martyrdom of Ali (ra) or Hussein (ra).

Bro Biradar, Thanks for clarifying your stance. Everything Ali knew about the Quran, he was taught by the prophet (ﷺ). I am 100% in agreement with that. However, whatever was taught to Ali was by no means special or only for Ali. It was being taught to every other Sahaba who cared to learn from the ...

The fact that the Quran was revealed upon the Prophet (ﷺ) is mentioned in the Quran. The Quran wasn't revealed BY the prophet (ﷺ). It was revealed TO him. But the taawil wasn't revealed to Ali. It was revealed BY Ali!! What does that mean? Ali is the better than Allah?

{It is reported that Ali and his slave Qanbar brought the completed text (which apparently was very voluminous) but the people rejected it. Ali then exclaimed that "By God! You will never see it again. My duty was only to inform you when I had collected it".} I believe this entire incident...

Though, it is possible that this refers to the Eternal Tablet.

The eternal tablet is not revealed. (Nazzalna) only the Quran is revealed. So no this ayah does not refer to the eternal tablet.

First, the preservation of the Quran is guaranteed by Allah in the Quran itself. إِنَّا نَحْنُ نَزَّلْنَا الذِّكْرَ وَإِنَّا لَهُ لَحَافِظُونَ Behold, it is We Ourselves who have bestowed from on high, step by step, this reminder? and, behold, it is We who shall truly guard it [from all corruption]....

I think the answer to guy_sam's question is simple. If you are apprehensive about whose translation, the best approach would be to learn Arabic and understand the Quran yourself. There are many free courses available on the web which will teach arabic in detail. Nouman Ali Khan's course is excellent...