Dawoodi Bohra Forum

porus,

let us say the prophet was not made to forget, then why did the knowledge of the night have to come from the Imam. And do you know what the Imam says about the night? Well, if you don't then go ask him, if you can that is.

Otherwise go read one of my previous posts and you will know how ...

porus,

you say ""And finally, please do not ascribe forgetfulness to Prophet. If he is not clear to you then, you need to learn a bit more. Amongst Muslims, an article of faith insists that Prophet has not left anything unanswered. ""

You do not believe one word of what the prophet has said ...

Br. Barwani,

That is the reason why I wanted to end the dialogue. Since you are not sure about what you believe in, what is the point in discussing what I believe in!!

As far as the moon is concerned, I do not know where that discussion came from but I still follow the bohri calendar and will be celebrating eid on the 5th of December Inshaallah. I do pray laila-tul-qadr on the 23rd night and then I pray 4 rakats of laila-tul-qadr on the other odd nights during the ...

Islam sure is in dire need of leaders right now. What it does need is people to be leaders instead of people complaining about them.

"What matters is most Muslims do not know the exact date of the most blessed night of the year and they should just admit this, instead of degrading the prophet by claiming he intentionally "forgot" it in order to make his followers pray more or some other stupid speculative argument like that ...

All that you said is pretty good, the fact remains that the night of laila-tul-qadr is not known as a surety.

It may be anyone of the odd nights in the last third of the month and that is a fact.

23rd, 27th is what one sect believes as against another. And the prophet did not cheat his ...

Why don't you go talk to a few people in the bohra clergy and find out about this night. Then go talk to some Sunni Ulemas about this night and then go and talk to some Shia Ulemas about this night and then let us discuss. And then if you find out that it was the 23rd or the 27th because the prophet ...

Well, I made a small mistake when I said sunnis pray on every odd night. They pray more on the 27th than on other nights, however they pray that laila-tul-qadr is on the 27th, unlike the bohras they do not know it.

Also when you say

"According to that logic we shouldn’t have been told precisely when Ramadhan is so that we would fast many more months instead of just one month. "

You seriously believe if that had been the case, you would've fasted for more months huh!! How many bohras pray more than one ...

Brother Muslim,

What you personally think does not matter. The fact is that the prophet forgot about which night Laila-tul-qadr falls on. The bohras believe this and the Sunnis believe this.

Bohras believe it is on the 23rd night because prophet saw a dream in which when he was praying on the ...

An interesting article by Dilip D'Souza

The Implication Being

Of course, everything is always a muslim's fault.

I mean he is a muslim after all, it has to be his fault right?

And that was precisely the reason why the prophet was made to forget which the exact night of Laila-tul-qadr is. Otherwise Muslims would pray for only one night in their entire lifetime.

Brother Barwani,

Let me ask you a question, do you believe in the existence of God (Allah and not Brahma or some other such)?

Well, actually let me ask you one more, if you do believe in Allah, then do you believe in Prophet Mohammed (saw)?

Brother Barwani,

I guess I have to end this dialogue over here. I have nothing more to add.

porus,

That is exactly right. I wish the Syedna would reveal the exact meaning of Qard Hasana and stop fooling simple minded bohras.

And what is the point of giving an interest free loan to someone who can afford to get it out of his own assets in any case?

There is Allah who promises to ...

Brother Barwani,

I am truly amazed at your argument. Isn't a parent supposed to force a child to do what is good and not do what is bad?

What you think is that religion is a matter of convenience, no its not. For those who believe, it is more important that even eating and drinking. That is ...

Does anyone over here know what the meaning of Qardhe Hasana is?? (I may not have transliterated it properly so please forgive me)

Believer,

I thought I would comment, but then what is the point. Reading your statements makes me think that it will be a complete waste of your and my time.

Brother barwani,

Please tell me who it was that forced you to fast or to pray 5 times a day?

Nobody in Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan forced anybody to fast or pray or give zakat. If you know of any instance where this happened, let me know.

As far as women and modesty go, it affects the ...

nausicaa,

If you look at my statement properly you may understand what I am trying to say. I said, Muslim nations are not looking to build nuclear weapons to dominate the world. I didn't say Muslim nations are not looking to build nuclear weapons.

Well, the irony is that the jewish God and the ...

nausicaa,

the arabic saying you pointed out was probably in the pre-islamic days. Remeber in the battle of badr the army of the prophet was 1/3rd the size of the army of the enemies. God promised them victory and they won.

When Jesus Christ said that the meek shall inherit the earth, he didn't ...

nausicaa,

Many superpowers have come and gone, the egyptians who took advantage of the jews, gone, the jews are still there, the romans, gone, the british empire on which the sun never set is now a whore of america, germany - the 1000 year reich lasted for 11 years.

Well, for you this world is ...

And yeah, I forgot to mention, most of the Muslim countries in the middle east, have no taxes.

Maybe what we need to do is open a few strip bars in all the Muslim countries and then they will grow.

Let us look at some of the Muslim countries.

Saudi Arabia, amongst the richest countries in the world, lot of people with a lot of wealth. Before people from third world countries started coming to the US for jobs they would want to go to Saudi Arabia. Most of the time complaints against the ...

Know what, I will take the easy way out over here. I will blame the plight of the muslim nations on the western nations. Muslim countries have been sitting on the heart of the world for hundreds of years. The western nations have specific policies for the muslim nations. Dictatorship, with dictators ...

Brother Barwani,

This is like the old saying, heads I win and tails you loose. If you want strip bars, nobody says you cannot. If you want to follow Islam, then you cannot, simple. If you still want to, then you can, but then you are no longer following Islam. You can go the nausicaa way, say God ...

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Only an Ismaili would not be able to understand the point of that article.