Dawoodi Bohra Forum

I think the answer to guy_sam's question is simple. If you are apprehensive about whose translation, the best approach would be to learn Arabic and understand the Quran yourself. There are many free courses available on the web which will teach arabic in detail. Nouman Ali Khan's course is excellent...

Mohd Asad does translate 4:83 with an AND. The harf used is waw harf ataf. So I think AND is more accurate.

And yes you may claim that the translation can say AND, but then that would not be accurate. It has already been established that it is possible to disagree with those in authority.

Now, the second half of the verse may indicate that ultimately there are only two real sources of infallible knowledge: Allah and the Prophet, i.e. in practice the Qu'ran and the Prophetic hadith. However, in the same surah there is another verse (Q 4:83) in which it says that "... if they had...

Thanks bro Biradar, There is actually clear unambiguous evidence from the Quran itself that no one other that the Prophet (ﷺ) of Allah is infallible and this evidence is in the ayah often quoted by the Bohra clergy to demonstrate their own authority and infallibility. Ayah 4:59. But read the full ay...

"You were asking for proof of Infallibility of Ahl al Bayt(as) from Quran." I was asking for proof of Dai’s infallibility from the Quran. You provided a Shia quote of the prophet (ﷺ) and an ayah referring to the household of the prophet (ﷺ) in which Allah is talking to the wives of the pr...

https://www.al-islam.org/man-and-universe-murtadha-mutahhari/chapter-36-imamat-quran Can I assume now that you have given up on proving the Dai's infallibility from the Quran? As I mentioned in my previous post, that ayah has nothing to do with Imamat unless you do a lot of jugglery like the author...

"You were asking for proof of Infallibility of Ahl al Bayt(as) from Quran." I was asking for proof of Dai’s infallibility from the Quran. You provided a Shia quote of the prophet (ﷺ) and an ayah referring to the household of the prophet (ﷺ) in which Allah is talking to the wives of the pro...

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The link you posted talks about the infallibility of the ahlul bayt and Dai is not ahlul bayt.

which dai ever claimed to be infallible Like in written format If they haven’t claimed infallibility, then they are fallible. And a fallible person cannot guarantee jannah to anyone since he himself is fallible and his own jannah is not guaranteed. If the dai hasn’t claimed infallibility, then the ...

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Thanks SBM. We lost electricity in our home and had to go live with a friend for a couple of days. But it’s all good now alhumdulillah.

If you kids behave then I won't have to be come back. If you don't, then - I'll be back!!! I think the biggest pull of the Dai is that he promises Jannah to his followers without hindrance. No matter what a Bohra does, as long as he is paying the Dai, bowing down before him and doing sajdah to him h...

Why even care about what the scriptures say? Let's suppose the books say that the Dai is infallible, does it make him so? One does not need to go far into history to prove that even Imams -- let alone Dais -- were not infallible. Please do your research and don't ask me for evidence. As for the Dai...

Biradar, A brilliant summary on the progressive movement. It's high time someone outside of the formal progressive movement acknowledged and recognized our contributions and successes. This has been long overdue, to say the least. For years and years myself and a couple of others have been champion...

Walaikum Assalaam Bro Muslim First We are doing fine Alhumdulillah. Haven't been checking this forum. Was looking for a discussion that we had way back in 2006 with porus and the others and hence logged in. Glad to know you are ok. Not sure when you might login to check again.

When Rasulullah started preaching, he faced many hardships.. one of the toughest challenges he faced were in Taif where the locals over there injured him very badly. He was resting by a tree when someone, at the instruction of Muhammed bin Al Waleed offered the prophet 18 grapes. The prophet thanke...

Bro Biradar gave the answers to the questions but his answers were simply due to "Most of us are born into the belief system which we keep for the rest of our lives. We don't do analysis and then determine which course to take, as by the time we are mentally capable of this, our minds are alrea...

I do check in once in a while.

That is an idiotic argument. It is like saying that since Abu Jahal remained a kafir then by logic (more specifically, YOUR logic) the prophet (saw) has failed to deliver the message of Islam!!! Your analogy does not apply at all. Think about it. The argument made is court is about the survival of ...

The same applies for Dai al-Mutlaq; if the Imam has gone into satr then his representatives, the Dais (once again by Fatimid theology) must also carry on through nass until when the Imam returns from satr. If you are saying that the Imams and Dais have failed to establish a clear nass, then by logi...

They also strategically isolated Syedna especially towards the end of his reign, preventing true reports from every reaching him. So the bohra claim that the Dai is ghaib na jaankar is a lie correct? 2) This goes fundamentally against Fatimid ideology and logic. If the people are left without any c...

It is amazing how the Shia of Ali consists only of the ignorant and the blind!!

So people are aware of things he did not declare? First If he didn't declare it, how do you know about it? Second, if he didn't declare it, there was a reason behind it. Maybe he didn't want people to celebrate it. And yet, bohras have gone against the will of the prophet (saw)!!! and Third, the quo...

So what you are saying is that the quote attributed to Imam Jafar As Sadiq that

Allah has not sent any prophet but that he celebrated this day as Eid and was aware of its sanctity.

is a fabrication correct?

There is no evidence of the prophet having celebrated this day as Eid. This day was celebrated as Eid long after the death of the prophet (saw). Not even Ali or his sons celebrated this day as Eid. If they did, provide your evidence. Second, 5:3 - this verse was revealed on the day of Arafah of the ...

Yes. This ayah is in the Quran. Surah 49 Ayah 14 قَالَتِ ٱلْأَعْرَابُ ءَامَنَّا ۖ قُل لَّمْ تُؤْمِنُوا۟ وَلَٰكِن قُولُوٓا۟ أَسْلَمْنَا وَلَمَّا يَدْخُلِ ٱلْإِيمَٰنُ فِى قُلُوبِكُمْ ۖ وَإِن تُطِيعُوا۟ ٱللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُۥ لَا يَلِتْكُم مِّنْ أَعْمَٰلِكُمْ شَيْـًٔا ۚ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ غَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ The...

. Note that as Walker mentions, the very fact of performing nass is a validation of an Imam. Hence, an Imam can not pass away without designating a successor. (BTW: This does not mean, as Ahmed Ali Raj in a lecture implied, that an imam can't die if he has not appointed a successor. It simply means...

.Allah has not sent any prophet but that he celebrated this day as Eid and was aware of its sanctity.

There is no evidence of the prophet (saw) having celebrated this day as eid. There are only two Eids and one is not allowed to fast on those days.

God isn't killing innocents around the world dropping MOABS!!. "Reasonable" humans are fool. When will this fool wake up?