Dawoodi Bohra Forum

Mkenya wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 3:52 pm Sunnis waiting for Mahdi......!?

Qadir wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 6:08 pm

RedBox wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 4:35 am My this post is for those who are still alive in terms of Imaan and deen.

Mohti waat nathi karto. Pun banne smb and kq ni maut joi lo. Banne kewa gaya che duniya thi. Ibrat lewani zaroorat che. Paisa maate deen no saudo karso to aawij halat thase.

Ibrat lo imaan waalao.

Burhanuddin Moula lived a perfect life. Was born to a current Dai, got ilm became ready for the azeem rutba of dawat. Became dai at the age of 52, improved mumineens life in deen and duniya for 50 years. Readied his son for becoming his successor, saw him take responsibilities for three long years. Wafat on day of Jumoa on 16th of month of Rasulallah's shahadat. Thousands of mumineen showed up for his janaza and is sleeping next to shamsud duatil mutlaqeen, Syedna Taher Saifuddin in a qabr of khake shifa under the saya of quran majeed. Hundreds of thousands come for his ziarat every year and his legacy will remain until the end of times.

Your last posts are proof that you have fully drowned in sea of jealousy. 'Qul Auzu be rabbil Falaq........ Wamin sharre hasedin iza hasad'.

I just want to let you know even if you reply to this post i am not going to ever reply to posts of the likes of you. People like you are even worse than sunnis and hindus who might not follow the dai but atleast don't disrespect them.

ajamali wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 2:42 pm It is my theory that Mamma’s boy Redbox either
A) Got denied a US VISA Or
B) got thrown out by ICE
He really gets all wound up on the green card, US-India travel thing...
Mummy’s boy, chillax. There is nothing wrong in being a world citizen. It is not a sin.

dal-chaval-palidu wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 11:16 pm

dal-chaval-palidu wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 11:11 pm

Did someone specifically tell you the above underlined claim, or, this is just your guess?

Bhai Qadir,

You made quite a serious (dare I say) accusation above. You essentially are saying that SKQ when to STS and told him to remove SMB (my take since SMB was already publicly declared the mansoos of STS) and put him instead as a dai.

That is a darn serious accusation. You should at least back it up, since you said the above. Who told you that?

On what basis are you making such a claim?

dal-chaval-palidu wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 11:11 pm

Qadir wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 6:26 pm

Even though I don't think KQ was mansoos, I don't agree with what you said here. I think KQ actually thought he was the mansoos.
Initially he asked STS to change nass because SMB being 52 would die in next 20-30 years whereas him being 27 would bring stability as was the case with STS. No one knew SMB would be granted longer life than any other duat.
Now, when that didn't happen he probably believed that SMB will one day do nass on him because he made him the mazoon over all his other brothers and kakas. Now when Burhanuddin moula did nass on Mufaddal Moula he lost his mind. After 50+ years of thinking he's next when he found out he's not becoming dai he planned the whole thing probably in 2013. That's why initially we see him accept nass because he and his sons had to. But then fatemi dawat website was made sometime then and his whole plan came to work after SMB's wafaat.
He wasn't khamosh because he was instructed by SMB but because he didn't have a plan in 2011 and 2013 was too late to challenge when SMB was still alive.

Did someone specifically tell you the above underlined claim, or, this is just your guess?

Qadir wrote: ↑Wed May 20, 2020 6:19 am My Mom said her Nana said that. He used to take sabaq from STS and SMB in saifee mahal.

HMALAK wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 4:36 am Hi to all Forum Members participating in this topic.

I wanted to know what is the Full Family Tree of Khuzaima Qutbuddin (SKQ) and that of Taher Fakhruddin (STF). Anyone having any idea.

This is to know how things would go further in this camp if there is a succession.

Because I see that there Doctrine is clear and straight forward as to they publicize the Dai and Mazoon both in a larger manner.


Regards

HMALAK

MohammedG wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 11:28 am

HMALAK wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 4:36 am Hi to all Forum Members participating in this topic.

I wanted to know what is the Full Family Tree of Khuzaima Qutbuddin (SKQ) and that of Taher Fakhruddin (STF). Anyone having any idea.

This is to know how things would go further in this camp if there is a succession.

Because I see that there Doctrine is clear and straight forward as to they publicize the Dai and Mazoon both in a larger manner.


Regards

HMALAK

I think the family tree is relatively simple, Grandson of Syedna Taher Saifuddin RA, Nephew of Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA, Son of Syedna Khuzema Qutbuddin RA. Unlike you-know-who, Syedna Taher Fakhruddin does not claim to be a direct descendent of the Prophet Mohammed (SAW).

Yes, consistent with the bayaan of Syedna Jafar b. Mansur al-Yaman (Baab of Imam Mu’izz), Syedna Fakhruddin teaches that the Mazoon is the second highest in the three rutbas of Dawat by whom the Imam is said to be present. The Mukasir is the third.

Qadir wrote: ↑Wed May 20, 2020 6:19 am My Mom said her Nana said that. He used to take sabaq from STS and SMB in saifee mahal.

MohammedG wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 11:28 am

HMALAK wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 4:36 am Hi to all Forum Members participating in this topic.

I wanted to know what is the Full Family Tree of Khuzaima Qutbuddin (SKQ) and that of Taher Fakhruddin (STF). Anyone having any idea.

This is to know how things would go further in this camp if there is a succession.

Because I see that there Doctrine is clear and straight forward as to they publicize the Dai and Mazoon both in a larger manner.


Regards

HMALAK

I think the family tree is relatively simple, Grandson of Syedna Taher Saifuddin RA, Nephew of Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA, Son of Syedna Khuzema Qutbuddin RA. Unlike you-know-who, Syedna Taher Fakhruddin does not claim to be a direct descendent of the Prophet Mohammed (SAW).

Yes, consistent with the bayaan of Syedna Jafar b. Mansur al-Yaman (Baab of Imam Mu’izz), Syedna Fakhruddin teaches that the Mazoon is the second highest in the three rutbas of Dawat by whom the Imam is said to be present. The Mukasir is the third.

HMALAK wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 9:37 am I have asked for Family Tree Downwards and not Upwards. Ofcourse I know who is the Grandfather and Father of SKQ and STF. What is the Family Tree post STF????

MohammedG wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 11:28 am

I think the family tree is relatively simple, Grandson of Syedna Taher Saifuddin RA, Nephew of Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA, Son of Syedna Khuzema Qutbuddin RA. Unlike you-know-who, Syedna Taher Fakhruddin does not claim to be a direct descendent of the Prophet Mohammed (SAW).

Yes, consistent with the bayaan of Syedna Jafar b. Mansur al-Yaman (Baab of Imam Mu’izz), Syedna Fakhruddin teaches that the Mazoon is the second highest in the three rutbas of Dawat by whom the Imam is said to be present. The Mukasir is the third.

Qadir wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 2:21 pm

MohammedG wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 11:28 am

I think the family tree is relatively simple, Grandson of Syedna Taher Saifuddin RA, Nephew of Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA, Son of Syedna Khuzema Qutbuddin RA. Unlike you-know-who, Syedna Taher Fakhruddin does not claim to be a direct descendent of the Prophet Mohammed (SAW).

Yes, consistent with the bayaan of Syedna Jafar b. Mansur al-Yaman (Baab of Imam Mu’izz), Syedna Fakhruddin teaches that the Mazoon is the second highest in the three rutbas of Dawat by whom the Imam is said to be present. The Mukasir is the third.

Another simple fact is just how Hujjat or Bab al abwab are high rutbas of dawat in zaman of zuhur, the mansoos of Imam is considered higher in darajah than them.

Bohra spring wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 4:48 pm Can STF declare openly that the next Diai will not be selected from direct relationship but will be on merit. Lead the change from within.