BOHRAS - RISE UP AND TAKE CONTROL NOW!

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Mkenya
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BOHRAS - RISE UP AND TAKE CONTROL NOW!

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Unread post by Mkenya » Sun Jan 26, 2014 2:11 pm

QS and MS together with their henchmen are today on a campaign to secure their future by cornering Bohras to sign up support. Bohras, they need you and today cap-in-hand they have come to you to make a choice between them. I tell you: they need your support and not the other way round. Over the years they, and Kothar, have forced you to give them money under the pretexts of wajebaat, khums, salaam, minnat, najwa, daris, nikah, etc. They have not accounted for the money they collect. The vast vaults of money, gold, moveable and unmovable assets are ours. Rightfully ours. To be used for betterment and not their lavish lifestyles. Today they are asking you to support them. Tell them that we have been gullible to support them all these years. They have lined your pockets with billions of dollars from us. Their travels in luxurious comfort, life in palaces, their zadis have a bevy of maids to help them, they have used our money to educate their children in places of learning that the ordinary Bohras can only dream of. Today they are asking you to write over to them the trusts, wakf, masjid, jamaat halls, that they have no right to. It is the rights of Bohras and Bohras alone. Today we can tell them to bugger off and sit down with us. Let us dictate to them that the days of their ayyashi and luxuries are over and grab the power from them. Tell them: ‘Billi ki ankh nau din me khul gayi hei’. Think of this as a call from Imam Zaman, who for some reason cannot do his ‘zuhur’. In fact it could be the Imam who is pointing the Bohras towards what they can do. Revolt and march towards their mahels, devri and throwout all those sheikhs, mullas, and hangers on. This is a great opportunity. QS and MS are seeking our support. They are weak and on their knees. Tell them the game is over and we will dictate everything from now. The Natak of ‘gaib ne jannar’, etc. is over. The Din propagated by them is, was, and will always a farce. The game is up. Bohras, thrown them out of mosques where they have usurped the fundamentals of Islam. Bohras, look around the world and you will see us as a Kaum most subjugated. We have believed in their every ‘wahiyat’ proclamation. MB has the audacity to utter lies from the takhat that Imam Hussein did dua for 52 Dai. What buncum. And here are ten of thusands of us lapping it up and crying. Why did it take QB so many years to disclose the he was done the Nass on. And how could Burhanuddin Saheb do Nass on MB when he was was indisposed that he was incoherent to the world. One has only to emulate Nabi Saheb Muhammed (SA) who on Ghadirulkhum, in front of 120,000 followers to declare Maula Ali that he is the one after me. Man Kuntu Maula Hu, Wa Ali yun Maula Hu. In this day of modern technology it is so easy to communicate a message of Nass to all at the push of a button. We Bohras have been led by a few and now is the time to lead. This opportunity will never come again. ALAS! I KNOW BOHRAS DO NOT HAVE THE "KHAMIRO" TO DO ANYTHING. WE ARE DESTINED TO SUFFER AND WALLOW IN OUR MISERY.

wiseman786
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Unread post by wiseman786 » Sun Jan 26, 2014 3:05 pm

Most bohra people have been brain washed way too much to be able to do anything at all. It is the younger and upcoming generation that they are trying to take control of in order to secure their future. Now if they try to rebel, they have their parents to answer to - who are too brain washed to let the child speak out and make their own decisions. I totally agree, NOW IS THE TIME.

seeker110
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Unread post by seeker110 » Sun Jan 26, 2014 5:46 pm

All kingdoms are destroyed by the revolt from within first and then by rivals. It is time to rise up and get rid of king. No more Fakhir najwa and salams. No more uniforms and dadhi . No more waiz. These people are not scholars or teachers they are lechers. Any person who tries to guide anyone towards one party or the other is doing it for his own good.

Deerseye
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Unread post by Deerseye » Sun Jan 26, 2014 9:07 pm

The big question is that how much support do we have, it takes bravery and courage to first start thinking on these lines, the next step is that how many people will start having this same thought process, and then how to go about this whole job. We still have brain dead people amongst us who have forgotten the existence of GOD. They still don't realise that they were worshipping a Dai who was mortal, they are listening to his son ,and indulging in foul mouthing. Ultimately this son is also mortal, the only absolute truth is the almighty. May Allah enlighten all my community people. May Allah overlook their sins and save this community from shirk.

alam
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Unread post by alam » Sun Jan 26, 2014 9:57 pm

Yes, the revolution - that was brewing is about to erupt.
Everyone, be prepared to take a stand and not back off .
Dont wait to see what your closest friends are doing or not doing.
No matter what, ultimately, you have to realize the Bohra world has changed. Do your part and BE THE CHANGE YOU WISH TO SEE.

Saiyaad
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Unread post by Saiyaad » Sun Jan 26, 2014 10:23 pm

someone had sent me this on whats app , would like to share it here. Its interesting please read it.

Sharmnaak haalaat
Aaj bohra community us tiraahe per khadi hai jiska ek raasta syedna muffadhal ki taraf ,ek raasta syedna khuzaima ki taraf aur teesra raasta sirat e mustaqeem ka hai . ab ya to qoum aankho per patti baandh kar pehla ya doosra raasta ikhtiyaar kare ya allah ki ashraf al makhlooq hone ka haq ada karte hue apni jismani , ruhaani aankhe khol kar teesra raasta ikhtiyaar kare.

Apne da’ai al mutlaq ki jaanasheeni ki kheench taan ne aaj jo haalat bohra community ki kar di hai wo behad sharmnaak hai , da’ai al mutlaq jaise auhade ki mazaaq , beizzati, jaisi hamaari generation ne dekhi waisi guzre waqt mai kisi ne nahi dekhi apne aap ko da’ai al mutlaq jaise moazzam auhade ke nayab bataane wale is chacha-bhatija ki jung ne bohra community ke ser ko sharm se jhuka diya, doosri communities ko aaj bohra jaisi community per hansi bhi aa rahi hai aur taras bhi k “ bohra’s ki jannat ke zaamin hone ka daawa karne wala khaandaan aaj apne hi ghar walo per laanat bol bhi raha hai aur bulwa bhi raha hai , ek doosre ko yazeed , shimar aur na jaane kya kya bad se badtar khitaabo se nawaaz raha hai jiski ummeed kisi paagal, sharaabi , gunde, mawaaliyo se hi ki ja sakti hai , kam se kam kisi da’ai , maazoon ya mukaasir ke auhde par fayiz insaan se to nahi ki ja sakti.

Lekin alhamdolillah jo hota hai achche k liye hota, hai aaj is jung se yeh baat saaf ho gayi hai ki is tarah ki sharmnaak harkat karne wale log duniyawi politics ke leader to ho sakte hai lekin kisi qoum ke mazhabi ya deeni rehnuma nahi ho sakte……..aaj har us musalmaan ko sharm aayegi ki is tarah ke log kisi aisi qoum ki rehnumaai kar rahe hai jo apne ko deen e islaam ka firqa manta hai……. Kyunki deen e islam ki rehnumaai ke liye allah (swt) ne mohammad rasoolallah (saw), moula e qaayenat ali ibne abitalib (as), imam hasan (as), imam hussain (as) , tamaam aayemat tahireen (as) aur unke muntakhab kiye hue muqqaddas , aala o azeem bando ko bheja hai jinki hayaat at’tayyibah kisi se chchupi nahi hai , ek taraf jis saadgi se in aala hastiyon ni apni zindagi basar ki uski misaal nahi mil sakti , moula ali (as) ne jahan poori hayat ad’duniya sirf jou ki sookhi roti kha kar guzaari , imam zainul aabedeen (as) apne baazu mubaarak per gareebon ke liye khaane ka boj utha kar raat ki taariqiyon mai khaana taqseem karne ghar- ghar jaate the jis ki wajah se aap ke baazu zakhmi rehte the…..aur tamaam aisi saadgi ki haqeeqato se taareekh bhari hui hai jisko likhna mumkin nahi ……doosri taraf apne aap ko unhi aala hastiyon ke waris bataane wale aaj ke yeh da’ai jab zyaafat per jaate hai to unke dastarkhwaan per senkdo lazzatdar pakwaan aur aisi nazaaqat o hasham ki numaaish hoti hai jaise kisi baadshah ya underworld don ki daawat hoti hai..

Aaj ka koi nasamajh ya anpadh aadmi bhi aaj k syedna ki aisi lavish life style dekh kar itna to andaaza laga sakta hai ki aaj ke yeh da’ai kam se kam un aala o muqqadas hastiyon ke waris to nahi ho sakte . aaj ke da’ai jo unke nakhsh e qadam per chalna to door unke bilkul ulat qoum k paiso per duniya ki lazzat o aish o aaram se bhari hui zindagi basar kar rahe hai , ek aam aadmi bhi un paak aura ala hastiyon ke bataaye raaste per chalne ki koshish to karta hai lekin khud ko unke waris bataane wale is khaandan ke liye to sab jaayez hai.

Deen e islam mai ilm haasil karne per kitna zor diya hai yeh isi baat se zahir ho jata hai ke allah (swt) ne quraan ke nuzool ki ibteda hi “IQRA” (padho) se ki lekin aaj ke da’ai qoum ko ilm lene ki raza nahi de sakte hai , inko maalum hai ki ek baar qoum ke paas ilm aa gaya to koi inke peecche nahi chalega aur ye log khaas se aam ban jaayenge .

Aaj ke yeh rehnumaa khud bhi gumrah hai aur guzishta kuch saalo se poori qoum ko gumrah karne ke ghinoney kaam ko anjaam de rahe hai sirf aur sirf duniyawi aish o aaraam aur lazzat ki khaatir jo haqiqi deeni aur mazhabi rehnuma ka maqsad nahi ho sakta,

Smart
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Unread post by Smart » Sun Jan 26, 2014 10:51 pm

Yes, there is a saying in Gujarati, "Teepe teepe sarovar bharay". Each of us matters here. We have been fed the falsehood that we are dependent on them for Marriage and burial and going to Jannat. It is the other way round. They are dependent on us for their ayyashi. We just need to stop paying them, respect, money and allegiance. 99.98% of the world's population not only survives, but thrives without them, we can too.

seeker110
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Unread post by seeker110 » Mon Jan 27, 2014 1:41 am

Is it okay for you to see the elders and the followers bow with their hands together, back bent in front of a mullaji or his children. This happens all the time in our masjids. The new Master did uncountable sajdas to a mortal during Nass drama. Only chant one should hear in Masjid is Allah-o-Akber. The house of Allah is not designed for bithday parties and cake cutting or qadam bosi. Allah's house is not for mullaji to rob people.

If you believe your life is worth living, than dont become a slave to any two bit mullah. Fight for Islam, your dignity and your brother n. You have a chance at this juncture, to free your children, yateem, miskeen and community.

Live like Ali, die like Hussain.

AMAFHH
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Unread post by AMAFHH » Mon Jan 27, 2014 3:14 am

Imam uz Zaman is watching everyone of us , and i am sure he want us to stand up for this Injustice where ever or in what ever condition we are .
May Allah (s.w.t) give everyone the Strength to rise against this Tyrant Kothar

think
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Unread post by think » Mon Jan 27, 2014 11:57 am

with the back lashing and crude low class behaviour of sms is not clear that this kind of family cannot be a religious leader. They have completely brainwashed the bohri mumineen . I sometimes wonder is there any truth in their mojezas why people flock around them for shifaa and ask solution for personal problems. If some one is sick and needs a heart operation, the first thing comes to mind is "moula ne raza". after the operation goes well , no credit to the team of doctors that performed this operation. " moula ne raza hati so operation was successful. guys come out of this raza bussiness. There are hundreds of operations taking place everyday and the experienced team of doctors do their best, specially in the west. If the time is up and Allah wants him back no dai and no duaa is going to do any thing.
The word dai means to take care of people and not fill your own pockets. Looking at the world to day, may be sattar edhi would be a good dai. He never wants anything for himself although millions pass through his hands. He is the guy that really takes care of humanity. even when bohras are in trouble his ambulances come to their help.

Qutbi-Hero
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Unread post by Qutbi-Hero » Mon Jan 27, 2014 12:03 pm

Rise Up!

Take Control!

Revolution!
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Firstly folks... a Revolution requires Organisation and Effort = we can't even get a dozen people to answer a survey telling us what skills they have lol!

Secondly folks... a Revolution requires Unity and Leadership = all we do here is argue with each other, and the closest thing we have to leadership is Admin and Mr Insaf - which ain't saying much lol!

Thirdly folks... a Revolution requires Courage and Manpower = this forum has maybe three dozen posters and perhaps three hundred readers, none of whom have the guts to even show their face, nevermind have the guts to do anything else lol!


Dudes, lets not get carried away and keep our feet on the ground - the nearest thing we have to a Revolution right now... is the Qutbi Crew... I wonder how many people will support them eh?

SBM
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Unread post by SBM » Mon Jan 27, 2014 12:07 pm

none of whom have the guts to even show their face, nevermind have the guts to do anything else lol
How about you telling us the true identity of yourself, your true name, address, age, true verifiable qualification Begin with yourself first..

Biradar
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Unread post by Biradar » Mon Jan 27, 2014 12:18 pm

Bohras can't and will not take control. Forget it. We have been brainwashed since birth that the da'i controls our life, he gives us a name, leads us on the path of Islam and will take us to heaven. There is no way that such conditioning can be removed easily, or at all. In fact, these stressful times rather strengthen the faith of the blind, and make them believe in the truth of what they have been told. For them, this is a cosmic struggle between Good and Evil, and only their leaders will lead them to Good. Did you see how people were weeping at the death of SMB? When one is in a large group, individuality dies down and group hysteria takes over. This is what the bohra leaders, SMS and SKQ will do, whip up the frenzy and laugh all the way to the bank.

In reality there is only one choice for the bohras: i.e. to leave completely, and revert to following Islam as they best they can, on their own. Of course, this will also not happen for 99% of bohras. They are too much in thrall of the mullahs to think of life without their constant guidance.

We are, as a community of people are weak, spineless and a bunch of cowards. Be real and don't dream of grand revolutions. Not going to happen.

seeker110
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Unread post by seeker110 » Mon Jan 27, 2014 12:27 pm

Growing up in Karachi, there were two kinds of doctors. One was Dr. Sadiq Alavi, and another was a thief doctor Dr. Yahya Vohra. Even today, if you ask any person from Karachi, he will remember Dr. Alavi as a Gift to man kind. DB-Londoner your mother raised Dr. Yahya Vohra.

Qutbi-Hero
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Unread post by Qutbi-Hero » Mon Jan 27, 2014 12:36 pm

SBM wrote:
none of whom have the guts to even show their face, nevermind have the guts to do anything else lol
How about you telling us the true identity of yourself, your true name, address, age, true verifiable qualification Begin with yourself first..
Why? I'm not a member of the Reformist Jamaat am I!

Besides, you joined in 2004... so obviously should go first - go ahead Braveheart! :wink:

Qutbi-Hero
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Unread post by Qutbi-Hero » Mon Jan 27, 2014 12:39 pm

Biradar wrote:Bohras can't and will not take control. Forget it. We have been brainwashed since birth that the da'i controls our life, he gives us a name, leads us on the path of Islam and will take us to heaven. There is no way that such conditioning can be removed easily, or at all. In fact, these stressful times rather strengthen the faith of the blind, and make them believe in the truth of what they have been told. For them, this is a cosmic struggle between Good and Evil, and only their leaders will lead them to Good. Did you see how people were weeping at the death of SMB? When one is in a large group, individuality dies down and group hysteria takes over. This is what the bohra leaders, SMS and SKQ will do, whip up the frenzy and laugh all the way to the bank.

In reality there is only one choice for the bohras: i.e. to leave completely, and revert to following Islam as they best they can, on their own. Of course, this will also not happen for 99% of bohras. They are too much in thrall of the mullahs to think of life without their constant guidance.

We are, as a community of people are weak, spineless and a bunch of cowards. Be real and don't dream of grand revolutions. Not going to happen.
If Bohras want to leave, they can do so quite easily... any Asheri or Sunni Mosque will welcome them.

The point is, people may hate the Kothar - but they still deeply love the Community... which is actually far better than any other community, apart from maybe the Ismailis.

Personally, I think it's hilarious when people stay if they hate the Community so much!

Just go and be happy playa! Quit hanging around Bohras and whining all the time lol!

Qutbi-Hero
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Unread post by Qutbi-Hero » Mon Jan 27, 2014 12:40 pm

seeker110 wrote:Growing up in Karachi, there were two kinds of doctors. One was Dr. Sadiq Alavi, and another was a thief doctor Dr. Yahya Vohra. Even today, if you ask any person from Karachi, he will remember Dr. Alavi as a Gift to man kind. DB-Londoner your mother raised Dr. Yahya Vohra.
Pay attention... I'm Qutbi-Londoner now baby!

I'm glad your mother raised a Rickshaw Driver - will you give me a discount next time I'm in Karachi?

JC
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Unread post by JC » Mon Jan 27, 2014 12:41 pm

Seeker110, I can very well connect .......... being from Karachi I very well know Dr. Sadiq Alavi and Dr. Yahya Vohra ... I always use to go to Dr. Alavi .......... what a GIFTED doctor!! he was a REAL MAN, a REAL SOUL..!!

JC
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Unread post by JC » Mon Jan 27, 2014 12:43 pm

Nobody is leaving Community ......... this is OUR community, our forefathers community, we are a Muslim group and want to keep it that way ........ we will not let someone hijack this community and make it their baap ke jageer!!

Qutbi-Hero
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Unread post by Qutbi-Hero » Mon Jan 27, 2014 12:47 pm

JC wrote:we will not let someone hijack this community and make it their baap ke jageer!!
That's already happened - what are you going to do about it now? Are you Qutbi or not?

JC
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Unread post by JC » Mon Jan 27, 2014 12:50 pm

Agreed QL ....... however we have to resist ......... I am for SKQ.

hasman001
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Unread post by hasman001 » Tue Jan 28, 2014 10:58 am

As much as i would like to resist and cut myself off from this cult...there is my family that i have to think of...what about my deeply devoted wife and my kid who my wife is painstakingly nurturing to be a devoted Abde! What about my mom, brother and sister who are all very deeply in love with SMS?? I can only wish for a miracle

juzerali
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Unread post by juzerali » Tue Jan 28, 2014 3:11 pm

@hasman001, I can understand your pain brother. Somewhat similar situation here. God have mercy on us all.

Bohra spring
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Unread post by Bohra spring » Tue Jan 28, 2014 3:17 pm

Did anyone say raise the glass for drinks in the the thaal or raise the thaal, what is all this hangama uncho karo and rise.....we don't know these politics politics

The only uprising we know is Maula Husains and even that we are lucky it was 1400 years ago and we do purjosh Matam is that not enough bravery

Anything else is impossible and requires manhood

juzerali
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Unread post by juzerali » Tue Jan 28, 2014 3:32 pm

Leaving the community means to let go. In my opinion, that is the best we can do. Let go of the baggage that we have been carrying around all our life. But letting go is not an easy thing to do. It is to let go of who you are, of the past that is holding you from your neck. I will go on to say that letting go is the most difficult thing one can undertake. We should aim for realistic goals. Since we are hear, debating about all the wrongs in our community, we do still identify with it. Best we can do with our capacities is to try to take the control back, evangelize the young generation, create new proselytes, and try to come to a compromise with family members wherein each one is independent to follow his own beliefs.

wiseman786
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Unread post by wiseman786 » Tue Jan 28, 2014 6:27 pm

hasman001 wrote:As much as i would like to resist and cut myself off from this cult...there is my family that i have to think of...what about my deeply devoted wife and my kid who my wife is painstakingly nurturing to be a devoted Abde! What about my mom, brother and sister who are all very deeply in love with SMS?? I can only wish for a miracle
I cannot agree more and I am glad to see that others think exactly the same as I do. Being surrounded by bohra's here, it is very difficult to think anything anti-bohra. I am still quite young and yet to make any long term commitments but I know that because of my parents I would have to marry within the bohra caste - decisions and situations like that is what keeps this cult going. I too cannot leave as it is not about just leaving a fake religion but also about leaving your whole life behind. I am lucky to have my siblings believe exactly like I do though but it would be next to impossible to get other people to see past the brainwashing.