Bohras looking for help

[Admin]

Every now and then we get emails which are misdirected to us, as senders take this site to be the the "official" Dawat site. These emails generally are requesting some kind of help. From now on, we'll publish in this thread these emails (without revealing the full identity of the sender) for two reasons:
1) To show the simple-mindedness of Bohras, and how innocently and genuinely they believe that the Dawat actually exists to help them.
2) If anyone of you are in a position to help/guide these people, we can put you in touch with them.

[Admin]

Here's the first one:
Subject: helping for work
Message: Taslimat Sahab main juzar ..... main ek elecation hu aur motar waindar hu mujhe ek dukan ki zarurat hai mujhe akha moula k tarf se innayat ho

[Al Zulfiqar]

admin,

i wholeheartedly second your action for 2 reasons:

1. it highlights the cries for help from the poor and deserving abdes and the cruel apathy displayed by the community leaders
2. as you have rightly mentioned, we can help. would it be possible to know the location of the senders?

can you set up a fund where anyone willing to help monetarily can contribute?

[think]

There was no need for a waiting period. This should have been done without a second thought from admin. It is doing Gods work and that is where one does not have to think "to do or not to do"

[Admin]

Al Zulfiqar,
Setting up a fund is a good idea, but to be frank, we do not have the time manage it. However, if any individual wants to help directly, send us a PM and we will forward the contact details.,

[Bohra spring]

Admin...good jesture but be careful if there are not criminals trying to spam or scam.

Just as a comment there should be filtering and any Orthodox Bohra would know how to send an Arzi via his jamaat, if he has been ignored it is highly unlikely they would open pdb site and try sending it.

Secondly an electrician in the above message instead of asking for a job wants a dukan,straight away how real is the guy , is it on rent or wants to be given a shop...or is he asking for dua...be careful this does not ed up as mischief

I think AZ has a point if PDB created an upliftment program where people in need can get advise, finance, contacts..it would improve the PDB standing amongst Bohras. But the if there is already an existing charity organisation it should absorb the requests. PDB site can create links and email contacts of who can help, if people want to remain anonymous you can link it to the site PM.

[SBM]

Admin...good jesture but be careful if there are not criminals trying to spam or scam.

Just as a comment there should be filtering and any Orthodox Bohra would know how to send an Arzi via his jamaat, if he has been ignored it is highly unlikely they would open pdb site and try sending it.

Secondly an electrician in the above message instead of asking for a job wants a dukan,straight away how real is the guy , is it on rent or wants to be given a shop...or is he asking for dua...be careful this does not ed up as mischief


I think AZ has a point if PDB created an upliftment program where people in need can get advise, finance, contacts..it would improve the PDB standing amongst Bohras. But the if there is already an existing charity organisation it should absorb the requests. PDB site can create links and email contacts of who can help, if people want to remain anonymous you can link it to the site PM.

Br Bohra Springs
To you point person was asking for Dukan, well that is what normal Bohras do, when they are looking to Kothar and Moula they think Moula will build them and give them everything an unfortunate assumption on the part of our unfortunate brethren
Bohraji and many well meaning people from both side of spectrum had created account for Poverty in Ahmedabad but there were problems in fund
transfers and people from different countries depositing the monies
I do know that Mr. Asghar Vasanwala and Br AZ do have some organizations which helps everyone and both these organizations are registered as Charitable and they do help in setting up businesses as well as other needs, then there is Zakat Foundation of India to which you can contribute and give them specific instructions to help and they do it. Let us publicize those organizations

[londonwala]

Some of the participants on this forum are very much against the practices and faith of orthodox bohras, which they ridicule. Do they genuinely want to give money to orthodox bohras? Such people are unlikely to show gratitude to them, they will say it is Syedna’s ne’mat and barakat.

I have heard about Karimjee Jivanjee, the bohra philanthropist in East Africa who gave vast amounts to the community and to individuals, but fell foul of the kothar to such an extent that the people that he had helped with his generosity would say la’nat on him. Some members of this forum may be able to expand about this man and what he did, and also others like him.

[Bohra spring]

As one opens this aesthetically well-presented book with an ancient-looking photo of three men in front of a historically prominent Zanzibar door, Hatim A. Karimjee tells us of how he met Gijsbert Oonk, and decided to embark on this journey with him. Hatim A. Karimjee claims that this book is the author’s story, a complete stranger to Karimjee Jivanjee family. Yet 200 years of an entrepreneurial family history could not have been written without the full dedication of the family members and mainly Hatim Karimjee’s ‘life mission’. The book is very appropriately, dedicated to the ancestors who dared to cross the ‘kalapani’ – the dark waters of the Indian Ocean.

The Karimjee family originally came from Mandvi, India. They are Muslim Dawoodi Bohras. This fact becomes important in the book when later on we witness the philanthropic nature of the family following one of the basic principles of Islam. The author describes the book as that of ‘business history, where business, politics, social welfare and family walked hand in hand’(p13).

What is unusual of this family history is the fact that it has survived 200 years of passing down their business ethics through family. The author claims that kings of trade and commerce – such as Tharia Topan (1823–1891), Sewa Haji (1851–1897), Alidina Visram (1851–1916) and Nasser Veerjee (1865–1942) – were there but survived one or two generations only ,and have vanished from economic playing field of East Africa. In 1950s, the Karimjees were referred to as ‘the Merchant Princes of East Africa’.

The second unusual fact is that they availed all their business and family documents to the author so that 200 years of history is documented for future generations of the family. It is indeed unusual for the business community to lay bare their story.

The book is divided into seven chapters. This follows the author’s two basic principles. The first is telling the history of the family. Chapter one sets the scene, while the second tells us of the cultural and economic connections between Asia and Africa and why the Karimjees moved to Africa. The third chapter goes through the business history (1880–1924), while the fourth chapter tells us of the transition from trade to estates. Chapter five gives us a picture of the political turmoil of independence of Tanganyika/Zanzibar and the Arusha Declaration (1964–1990). Chapter six shows us the importance of East Africa in the global economy then, and the role of Asian community, while the last chapter takes us through the 21st century Karimjee family.

The book also follows the author’s second principle, presenting four portraits of ‘historical champions’ as he calls them. Intermittently set between chapters, the author gives us an insight into the personalities who played catalytic roles in the family business and linked it to national politics and the global economy. Two of his champions were knighted by the Queen of England. Through documentation of the portraits we as readers travel through historical times, places and spaces of innovativeness that these charismatic personalities created in their quest for living their full lives.

PORTRAITS

A) Yusufali Karimjee (1882–1966) (Chapter 3)

He was known as the ‘Lion of Zanzibar’ and was instrumental in setting up the Indian National Association of Zanzibar, which was triggered by the 50 per cent increase in customs duty by the British rulers. He was also a bold entrepreneur who did business from Hanover to Japan, and later married a Japanese woman, thus introducing a world citizenry to the Karimjee family. He was knighted by the Queen of England for his numerous philanthropic works and was instrumental in giving the greatest gift, The Karimjee Hall, in 1955 to the City Council of Dar es Salaam while he was a member of Legislative Council. This hall later became the House of Parliament. His son, Abdulkarim (see D below) became an ardent supporter of the independence movement of Tanganyika.

B) Abdalla Mohamedali Karimjee (1899–1978)

He was known as the sisal baron (p18) of Tanga, and received an OBE (Officer of the British Empire) in 1961. He was instrumental in the move of the family from trades to estates (Chapter 4). Charismatic in nature he went to South Africa on a pikipiki (motorbike) to negotiate a family deal with Caltex for the distribution of petroleum in 1924.

He also became a member of the Tanganyika Legislative Council, attended the coronation of Queen Elizabeth II in 1953 and welcomed Princess Margaret to Tanga in 1956. His second marriage was to a German woman. Since the couple travelled often to Europe, this fact created an issue when the Germans lost the war to the British. Through ‘silent lobbying’, according to the author, Abdallah managed to buy the former German-owned estates taken over by the British Custodians of Enemy Properties after World War II, which were being sold to European companies only – the Kisangara Sisal Estate. He was another member of Karimjee family who internationalised the family and frequented Davos, Switzerland for holidays with his children.

C) Tayabali Karimjee (1897-1987)

Born in Zanzibar, he went to school in Zanzibar. He was known to give away 60 per cent of his earnings to charities, building schools and hospitals in East Africa. He was knighted in 1955 and became a close friend of the Sultan of Zanzibar. He established the prestigious Tayabali Karimjee Cricket Cup and Scout Club with a passion. In 1931, he was nominated the unofficial member of Legislative Council by the Sultan. He walked out of the Legislative Council when it passed the Clove Monopoly Bill on 23 July 1937. He saw the bill as benefiting Europeans to the detriment of Zanzibaris. He also saw the bill separating the financiers (the Asians) from the landowners (the Arabs) in order to control both groups politically as a hidden agenda of the British colonialists. Mass walkout from the Legislative Assembly followed and all shops and businesses closed on that day in Zanzibar.

D) Abdulkarim Karimjee(1906 –1977)

The son of Yusufali Karimjee, he served as deputy Mayor in 1952 and 1956 and Mayor of Dar es Salaam in 1954 and 1957. In 1959 he was he was appointed the Speaker of the Tanganyika Legislative Council. With the independence of Tanganyika, he became the first speaker of parliament, which sat in Karimjee Hall. He presided over the independence ceremony and had gone through a process of a nominated parliament to an elected one, with increased membership from 29 to 81.

From 1961–70, he became the vice chancellor of University College of Dar es Salaam, director of National Development Corporation (NDC) and National Bank of Commerce (NBC) and founded the Tanganyika National Library.

Julius Nyerere, who became the first president of Tanganyika, was a close friend during the independence struggle. He supported Nyerere in his policy of 1967 Arusha Declaration and the 1971 Building Aqcuisition Act. Like Nyerere he believed that ‘the well-to-do and well-educated peoples of East Africa were obliged to share their knowledge and wealth with the disadvantaged people’. The author claims that he ‘foresaw difficult times for Asians in East Africa but he maintained his position of serving the country’. The family lost much of their property and most of them left East Africa. A six-page list of properties owned by the Karimjees is given at the end of the book (pp162-67).

Between 1824–1861, the Karimjees accumulated capital and grew into a prominent trading family. ‘The study of this family demonstrates how Asian families played a vital economic and political role in East Africa’, states the author. He sees this as the advantage of basic research and sets out to balance the ‘economic environment’ and the ‘context of the Karimjee family history’ through out the chapters of the book. The author, very ably, takes us through various historical epochs of East African history – like the transfer of capital of Sultan Seyyid Said from Oman to Zanzibar in 1832 and its impact on commerce; the abolition of slave trade and how it weakened the Sultan’s empire; and how the British and Germans took slices of East Africa and Africa as a whole after the Berlin Conference of 1884. They left Zanzibar and Pemba to be ruled by Seyyid Said but later on declared it a British protectorate. Thus emerged the complex political economy of Zanzibar in the 19th century.

According to the author, ‘The Arabs owned plantations and produced cloves and spices. Some were involved in the caravan trade, collecting ivory from the mainland, and in the slave trade. The Indian moneylenders who neither owned land nor ventured into the interior themselves were half way up the social ladder…’(p14). There is a section in the book dedicated to sisal production when the family moved from the ‘trades to estate’ phase of their development. The turbulent political chapter takes us through the various decrees, the nationalisation phase tied to the socialism phase – ‘Ujamaa’ – of Tanganyika, the union between Zanzibar and Tanganyika, and the formation of Tanzania, giving us insights into how political development affected the lives of not only businesses but also the people that lived through it. Tayabali Karimjee, born and bred in Zanzibar and who had given 60 per cent of his earnings to philanthropic deeds in East Africa, died in Karachi in 1987, with the words ‘I don’t belong here; I am waiting for the bus to Zanzibar’, thus raising the identity question of the east African Asians of today also.

The author also takes us through migration connectivity. In the case of Karimjee family, he talks of the adventurous spirit of the Mandvi sailors, from where the family originated. The seafaring history was indicated by the vastness of dhow building at Mandvi, the booming trade with Aden, Muscat, Mogadishu, Zanzibar and Malindi; it is said that Vasco de Gama used the Mandvi sailors in his journeys. The monsoon winds provided the rhythm of the trade between the continents surrounding the Indian Ocean dating back 2000 years. ‘…Vasco de Gama was surprised to encounter Arabs and Indians in Mozambique, Mombasa and Lindi in 1497’, observes the author.

However it is only in 19th century that South Asians began to settle on the East African coast. The author demonstrates this with maps of settlements in the book, and also documents the first Bohra mosque. In late 19th century the Karimjees established their household at 236 Hurumzi Street, which still stands, now a hotel. They now became settlers and Africa became their home and their future.

The first Bohra graveyard near Mnazi Moja has a tombstone (p31) of Alibhai Karimjee(1851–1883), his wife Fatema (1923), Hassanali Alibhai Karimjee (1872–1918) and Mohamedali Karimjee(1876–1940).

The author analyses the era of trading empire building of the Karimjees between 1880–1924, when political power was in the hands of the Germans, British and the Sultan. In 1832, Seyyid Said made Zanzibar his capital and with him came many Asian traders and financiers from Oman.

Jairam Sewjee was his custom collector who in turn convinced Buddhabhoy Karimjee to explore the opportunities in Zanzibar. In 1839 the British signed a pact with Seyyid Said to engage in trade on the island, thus establishing a consulate which ‘gave Asians a sense of security in dealing with Arab aristocracy’, states the author. He sees this era as having three factors which shaped the history of Karimjee Jivanjee family history: Firstly, the arrival of Europeans opened up trade with Europe. Secondly, Tanganyika became a more stable political economy and adopted legislative order. Thirdly, the contribution of the ‘three great Karimjee tycoons who directed the family to a new level of wealth, political ambitions and charity’.

It is this era which saw extensive property acquirements, including the now Zanzibar People’s Bank which was nationalised from the Karimjees. The most outstanding feature of this building is its door, which is known as the ‘Mona Lisa of the Zanzibar doors’. This building used to belong to the German merchant Rudolph Heinrich Ruete who sold it to the Karimjees. He married the famous Princess Salme who later on wrote the first historical book ‘Memoirs of a Princess’, documenting Zanzibar as it was then.

By now the Karimjees had established an impeccable reputation. With extensive travels by Yusufali Karimjee in Europe, Japan, Germany, Oman and beyond, coupled with home knowledge of marketable products by Hassanali and Mohamedali, the company bagged trading deals with 40–50 European and American companies. This was also the age of philanthropy and in the tradition of the family, adhering in practice to the principle of ‘wealth imposes obligation’.

The book gives details of all the schools, scholarships, public libraries, hospitals, maternal clinics, dispensaries, community centres and institutional support – like the majestic Karimjee Hall in Dar es Salaam – which bear witness to the philanthropic nature of the family philosophy (p127–146). The Raskazone Swimming Club was open to all unlike the European Yacht Clubs, thus attempting to break the racial divide that prevailed then. Yusufali Karimjee, known as the ‘Lion of Zanzibar roars’ is quoted in a press cutting, after a heated debate in the Legislative Assembly as saying to British Governor of Zanzibar, ‘If His Excellency wishes to really benefit the poor natives, we want the duty on rice and khangas reduced’. Yusufali Karimjee also believed that ‘we should not join the white men’s war’ (p55).

From 1925–1963 (p58), the author sees this as an era of movement from the trade dominated economy of the Karimjees to an estates economy. German rule in East Africa was over and the British became custodians of ‘enemy properties’ which were on sale, but only to European buyers. Through quiet diplomacy, Abdalla Mohamedali Karimjee who had married a German settler woman, managed to get six sisal estates in Tanga, feeding Tanga’s economic boom. The Korean War of 1950-53 caused a rise in the price of sisal from 18 to 250 pounds a ton. Tanganyika was the third largest producer of sisal, the white gold of Tanganyika. The Karimjees moved to a new level of entrepreneurship, employing hundreds of workers but with the same benevolence of their basic principle of obligation with wealth, thus building housing, hospitals and schools for the workers’ families.

The author sees the period of 1964–1990 as politically turbulent, and economically declining phase for the Karimjee family. He quotes the film by the Italian Gualtiero Jacopetti which witnesses the political turmoil of the isle of Zanzibar in 1964, and sees the Union with mainland in 1964, the nationalisation phase of Tanganyika and Zanzibar, the Arusha declaration of 1967, as main contributing factors to uncertainties in business community and decline in the economy of the land.

The Karimjees had to diversify into businesses that would sustain them but curtailed most of their activities. They lost all their massive properties through the nationalisation process (p161-7) Most of the family left, except for Abdulkarim Karimjee, who remained committed to the principle of the well-to-do must share their wealth and supported the first president of Tanganyika, Mwalimu Julius Nyerere in his socialist endeavours and Ujamaa policies.

It is also in this period –1968 – that the Karimjee family was excommunicated from the Dawoodi Bohra community. The spiritual leader of the community, His Holiness Seyedna, who was a frequent visitor, was asked to leave Tanzania on 14 August 1968. ‘The government of Tanganyika became seriously concerned when large amount of religious taxes were being collected from the Bohra community and exchanged for gold in order to transfer the funds to Bombay. This went against foreign exchange regulations’ of the country. According to the author, the ‘Karimjee family were blamed for this grave embarrassment’ – thus the excommunication. ‘Abdulkarim as a pious God fearing Muslim was very offended for being blamed for something he had not done and had no control over’ (p129).

The Karimjees had learnt the lesson to ‘stick to knitting’ i.e. do what they know best in times of difficulties and get by. Toyota Tanzania Ltd became their sole business, making them a locally-owned business by a global family. Only Alibhai, Anver and Hatim Karimjee remained with the management calibre to ably run the business and make it viable for the family. In 1987/8 it became the Tanzania ‘Pajero’ (p153). Sales picked up from 350 to 2,000 vehicles by 2005.

To prevent family fragmentation over time, the family established a family council and agreed to publish this particular book for the benefit primarily of the presently globally scattered family to know a shared past. In 1998 a family reunion took place in London, whereby two programmes were also established for the family. One was a three-month study tour for the younger generation to consider a career in family business in Tanzania. The second package is a two-year graduate training, whereby family members would focus on a particular profession within the family business and also learn on the job, thus keeping with the family tradition. The family council also merged six charitable trusts into a single The Karimjee Jivanjee Foundation. (p155). It is to give scholarships to gifted Tanzanian children and to other charities with the principle ‘It is not giving if you profit by the giving’ taken from Rubbaiyat of Omar Khyamm, states the author.

As a reader and living in East Africa with a diasporic background myself, the book spoke volumes on the era of migration and issues of identity. Rich in its Islamic cultural history, the author very ably brings out the tradition of benevolence of the Karimjee family, adhering to a basic principle of Islam. Although capitalist in nature, the family did business with a heart for justice, a rare commodity in today’s practices of the business communities globally.

The book is also very rich in images of the time, thus as a reader one gets a feel of the era. It abounds in visuals: Passport stamps, family portraits, images of cars and buildings, sisal production, stamps (p126) from inauguration of Karimjee Hall. However I would have liked to see more images of the numerous majestic buildings of the family, which were nationalised and some of which are still used as state buildings.

The author also goes further into the family myths and beliefs, such as women not being permitted to wear diamonds following the death of young members of the family, and no keeping of a peacock as a pet for fear that its ego will split the family union. Now when I pass Karimjee Hall in Dar es Salaam, where peacocks abound in its grounds I wonder what the ancestors must be feeling.

Although the author interviewed Fatema Karimjee and has her portrait, and women feature in photographs throughout the book, he does not bring out the contribution of women’s wisdom in the development of the family. The curiosity for us as readers is did women play any role at all or were they just passive members of family? Where are their stories?

The book is aptly dedicated to Karimjee ancestors and published for a generation who shared a past. Let us hope that this life mission of Hatim Karimjee bears fruit in the future generation of Karimjees who not only will continue to stamp their mark on the map of development of East Africa, but also maybe think of documenting the wisdom that women bring to the fold through generations of strong bondage. It is women who culturally hold the thread of not only families but also society in partnership with their male counterparts. As Nyerere once said at the birth of Umoja wa Wanawake (UWT) in Tanganyika: ‘Society will only limp if we do not count and recognize women’s contribution’. We need women’s stories within the Karimjees.

Recently, a number of writings from Asian-African perspectives have been published. For example Madhvani in ‘Tides of Fortune’ (2008), Nanjibahi Kalidas Mehta – the original was in Gujarati in 1967 later translated to English, and Sophia Mustafa’s ’The Tanganyika Way’. Then we have Awaaz magazine from Nairobi, which voices Asian–African stories and recognises their contribution in liberation movements and independence struggles through personalities like Gora Ebrahim, Karim Essak from South Africa, Makhan Singh, the trade unionist, Pinto from Kenya, Sugra Visram of Uganda, Amir Jamal and Alnoor Kassum of Tanzania, to name but a few. We also have a walking exhibition at the Nairobi Museum of how they came in dhows set up by Sultan Somji of Kenya, and the biennial SAMOSA Festival which depicts cultural fusion music, dance, paintings, publications, films and various aspect of Asian-African life in East Africa which takes place in Nairobi.

[Admin]

We received this email today:
Message: i wana go to india to celebrate moulama borhan aldeen birthday what do i need to do to get there can u please help me i live in melboune australia . please tell me who i need to contact to get their thanks

[think]

wait for a mojiza .

[Bohra spring]

We received this email today:
Message: i wana go to india to celebrate moulama borhan aldeen birthday what do i need to do to get there can u please help me i live in melboune australia . please tell me who i need to contact to get their thanks

Fake.....don't trust ..cannot spell, , Australia...do they speak Spanish as national language I guess so, Melbourne has a port, if he cannot get to an airport...take a boat! Or wait as someone said moajiza.

OzM can sort the guy...I ,mean help..not get the poor guy waterboarded.

[abde53]

786-110
Baad Salaam,
I am from Pachora Dist Jalgaon Maharashtra I have son Named Aliasger age 1 yr which has problem in ear. Medical Report Says : Biletral profound Hearing Loss Suggested COCHLEAR IMPLANT SURGERY.The estimated expense of surgery is near about 7 TO 8lakhs. The Treatment is under Dr. Shabbir Indorewala of Nasik ( Indorewala ENT Nasik ).
As my financial condition is weak in front of this treatment I need Help in form of Enayat or Qardan Hasana. With the Dua Of Sayedna Mohammed Burhanuddin Aka & Aliqadadar Moula I have yaqeen that I will cross this situation. I also need help from muminnen. My Contact details are as follows.

My Name: Mufaddal Ismailbhai Chittalwala

Place: Pachora Jameat: Burhanpur

Aamil Ilaka: Jalgaon

eJmaaat No. 50469729

Contact No. Mobile: 09226137869 Landline: 02596240672

Vali MullaSaheb's Phone No. 02596240110

Jamaat Secretary No. 02596240472

[Admin]

From: jkshri2010@gmail.com
Subject: Need Help
Message: hi sir.
Myself kiran shrimali writing behalf of Tasleem a Bohra Muslim.
Can you help tasleem, a Widow admit at T B Hospital, Sewree (Mumbai City). She is in poor condition Rely need help from trust or any individual.
Patient Address: bed no: 321, Ward no. 6, ladies ward, 2 nd floor, T B Hospital, Sewree (Mumbai City).
Kindly Do the Needful

[Rocksolid]

what a shame, while people are spending crores on bloody useless birthdays, widows in community is dieing without medications......

[Rocksolid]

if mufaddal and his team mates cut down on first class air trips, he can easily save enough that no widow or orphan in community would come in begging situation.

[Admin]

Please try to keep this thread free of personal commentary. What is needed is practical and timely help. Thank you.

[Rocksolid]

Please try to keep this thread free of personal commentary. What is needed is practical and timely help. Thank you.

you are correct, but these idol worshipers abdes shud know every thing they doing is incorrect and they need to change it by raising voice....

Dear Admin, I have some thing to offer to this momeena by grace of ALLAH, please reply my PM soon....

[Rocksolid]

Some of the participants on this forum are very much against the practices and faith of orthodox bohras, which they ridicule. Do they genuinely want to give money to orthodox bohras? Such people are unlikely to show gratitude to them, they will say it is Syedna’s ne’mat and barakat.

I have heard about Karimjee Jivanjee, the bohra philanthropist in East Africa who gave vast amounts to the community and to individuals, but fell foul of the kothar to such an extent that the people that he had helped with his generosity would say la’nat on him. Some members of this forum may be able to expand about this man and what he did, and also others like him.

brother no matter abde say lanat on karimji, but I am sure he did all charity for the sake of ALLAH, and I am sure ALLAH will provide him better destiny here and hereafter.

[Rocksolid]

Those who (in charity) spend of their goods by night and by day, in secret and in public, have their reward with their Lord: on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve. Al QURAAN

[KM1]

can we know that how much has admin or any other members of this forum has helped or willing to help someone

by blaming others or pointing fingers we are not doing anything better

if you all seriously considering to help someone start a organization with your own funding without asking any donations or funds then you can show how different you are from others

[Rocksolid]

can we know that how much has admin or any other members of this forum has helped or willing to help someone

by blaming others or pointing fingers we are not doing anything better

if you all seriously considering to help someone start a organization with your own funding without asking any donations or funds then you can show how different you are from others

you have no rights to ask this, coz none of us claims to be ilahul ard, or that we pray for each other to live taa qayamat, we belive we are mortals, and we do good for the sake of ALLAH and not for show off like your masters....

[think]

no need for organization. Help on an individual basis and forget. naiki kar durya me phenk.

[wise_guy]

For all those criticizing souls, there is one organization called Rabeha Solar which is installing solar powered systems in mumineen homes where power is scarce. The funding comes from a lot of donations by people who are mostly from developed countries ( I have seen their names being mentioned on zeninfosys).

Stop criticizing all the time. People who are addicted to criticism can't see an iota of goodness happening anywhere.

[KM1]

For all those criticizing souls, there is one organization called Rabeha Solar which is installing solar powered systems in mumineen homes where power is scarce. The funding comes from a lot of donations by people who are mostly from developed countries ( I have seen their names being mentioned on zeninfosys).

Stop criticizing all the time. People who are addicted to criticism can't see an iota of goodness happening anywhere.

I think only your name has wise n not yr brain is that wise

FYI Rabeha and BBCC was started by same crook MR Hatim intially they do good work to con people

Today BBCC is in mess and has made more then 100 hundreds of people fools and scam amount is running in millions of rupees Pls get your facts corrected before you open your mouth and misguide people

[ghulam muhammed]

The funding comes from a lot of donations by people who are mostly from developed countries

Please get your facts right and don't mislead people :-

How Do I Apply:
APPLICATION FOR THE RABEHA SOLAR 52 PACKAGE ONLY.

With dua mubarak of Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin T.U.S., Rabeha Solar is happy to announce a bigger system "Solar52", medium size solar system for medium size houses. This system has the following features. It can operate:

4 lights
2 fans
LCD tv
Mobile phone recharge
Note: lights and fans are included.

Please take the time to fill in all the details carefully. We need accurate information to analyse your application. Our team will soon get in touch with you with details.

BUDGET DETAILS:
What is the Amount You can Pay:

The price of this system will be Rs. 59,900 plus installation charges depending on location.

[ghulam muhammed]

Link to the above post :-

http://www.rabehasolar.com/apply-solar52.html

[ghulam muhammed]

Rabeha and BBCC was started by same crook MR Hatim intially they do good work to con people

Abde Syedna T.U.S.
Hatim Aliasger bhai saheb Shakir
Amil Saheb- San Francisco, U.S.A.
And President Rabeha Solar

[Bohra spring]

$3200 barakat for a 1kw systems (4 lights 2 fans LCD tv ) when ebay is selling them for kit $1,500 and battery for $650
The guy is making a cool profit on sell and installation...

are western abdes falling for the con and giving donations and does the poor abdes in India paying too ?

[abde53]

$3200 barakat for a 1kw systems (4 lights 2 fans LCD tv ) when ebay is selling them for kit $1,500 and battery for $650
The guy is making a cool profit on sell and installation...

are western abdes falling for the con and giving donations and does the poor abdes in India paying too ?

Bohra Spring Bhai
How did Rs 60,000 became $ 3200 dollars It is 1$ equal to 50 rupees so it is only about $ 1200.00 With your own calculation kit at ebay 1500 plus 650 equls 2150 which will be 1,07,500 rupees. I know you want to bring revolution but be careful and double check before you blame people for their good work. If that is how who calculated about bring reform in DB good luck.