M in Bohra Life

[abde53]

Bohra ni jindagi ma only. M

Maula,Mansus, Mukasir Majum, Mulla,
Masjid, Madressa, Misak,Money
Munajat, Matam, muvasat,mujakirat,
majlis, mavaid Musafarkhana
Mumenien, Mumenat, .Mumin
Minnat,,,Malumaat
and above all
Murgi

[Mamluk-E-Syedna]

The list above is not complete by any means for the following obvious ones are missing: Malik, Mamluk, Mohammed, Mufaddal, Moharramaat, Moharram, Madresa, Milaad, Madeh, Marsiya, Markaz, Mahal, Mojiza -- oh, I can go on and on and .....

[Al Zulfiqar]

oh, I can go on and on and .....

oh, please do go on and on and on and .... lol!

[SBM]

Mukhlis--Mardood Layeen--

[Al Zulfiqar]

munafiq, mukhalif, murtad, muljim, mushriq, manhoos... epithets for those who oppose the dai and his ayyash family.

[Aymelek]

M for Mukhtasar bayaan... which goes on for atleast another couple of hours

[porus]

And you forgot mithaas? tch, tch!

And add maqdam majlis.

[Al Zulfiqar]

how can we forget 'muddai', the biggest gaali for dai's detractors?

[seeker110]

Ghareeboun ki MARTE raho MOLA.

MADRASA E MAZAAK

Mukhbari

MAJLIS E BENOOR

MATTI KE PUTLE.

[Adam]

What a bunch of incompetent childish fools!
If you'll even knew the basics of Arabic grammar, you would know that EVERY (almost every) ORIGIN (3-4 letter) word can have an "M" in the beginning.
It is the simple grammar of فعل فاعل مفعول (Fe'l, Faa'il, Maf'ool - Verb, Subject, Object), where the "M" comes from the Maf'ool.
For example
سجد (Sajada), becomes مسجد (Masjid)
درس (Darasa) becomes مدرسة (Madrasah)

And the list goes on.
So good luck in making an "M" out of virtually everyone word in Arabic.

Idiots.....

[Al Zulfiqar]

If you'll even knew the basics of Arabic grammar, you would know that EVERY (almost every) ORIGIN (3-4 letter) word can have an "M" in the beginning.
Idiots.....

so in that case your name should become 'm'adam', right? madam actually suits you better, because you go into hiding like a coward when things get really hot for you here and then re-surface when you think its safe to emerge and flaunt your knowledge, knowledge which you use to defend your criminal haram-khau masters.

idiot!

[Adam]

so in that case your name should become 'm'adam', right?

No, technically not.
Adam is not an Arabic word, so it wont.

Sorry.

[porus]

How about 'mu'addam' then? That is Egyptian for 'muqaddam'.

Muqaddam means First. As far as his knowledge of Arabic is concerned Adam is 'muqaddam'.

[Al Zulfiqar]

in fact i would go further and award madam the title of 'aql al awwal'. he is up there at the top, there is no one who compares with him..

[Adam]

How about 'mu'addam' then? That is Egyptian for 'muqaddam'.

Muqaddam means First. As far as his knowledge of Arabic is concerned Adam is 'muqaddam'.

Coming from PORUS and is equally (if not better) background in Arabic, I will take that as a compliment.

An no, i'm just a small drop in the ocean. I know a few basic things about Arabic as well.
At least enough to compliment. (Unlike others, who are blank)

[Al Zulfiqar]

I know a few basic things about Arabic as well.
(Unlike others, who are blank)

a few basic things about arabic is all you know, otherwise your conscience and mental faculties to judge right from wrong are BLANK!

[porus]

Adam,

Coming from PORUS ......., I will take that as a compliment.

It was indeed a compliment. I liked the way you accurately and succinctly made an Arabic grammatical point. In addition to 'maf'ool', lisan-e-daawat has borrowed lots of 'masdars', most of which do not begin with 'm'. Exception is 'muqaabala' (mufaa'ala). One example is 'talaqqi'.

I recall a previous discussion in which we argued if 'dhul fiqaar' was an 'idafa' or not. I have done some reading and conclude that you were right. 'dhu' is one of 'asmaa'ul khamsa' and follows similar 'sarf' rules. However, when used in 'dhul fiqaar', it behaves as 'zarf ul-makaan' (maf'ool fihi). Hence it is 'mudaf' , 'mudaf ilayhi' structure.

By the way, I must point out that neither of the examples you quoted, masjid and madrassa, are maf'ool. They are examples of 'ism al-makaan'. Although, I can imagine them being used as maf'ool.

[Al Zulfiqar]

let me repeat this again.

adam knows arabic and arabic grammar, but his conscience and ability to judge right from wrong are blank! he supports and defends rascals and criminals who are misusing religion to loot and lord it over their simpleton and gullible followers and live a life of ayyashi. i have no respect for someone with misplaced knowledge who is on the side of haramkhors.

[anajmi]

There was a time when the Arabic of porus impressed me. But that was before I had any knowledge of it. But I have been studying Arabic for the last 2 years and that is no longer the case. I am still a beginner as far as the Quran is concerned, a beginner as in kindergarten, but his grasp of Arabic doesn't impress me anymore and neither does that of Adam. What they have presented is nothing more than basic Arabic grammar taught in the first semester of Arabic. If what they have presented is considered advanced Arabic, then consider me a scholar in Arabic!!

Remember, these are the people who still haven't understood from the Quran who the Ahlul Bayt are and are still opposed on who is allowed sajda by the Quran!!

Infact, according to porus, knowledge of Arabic has nothing to do with understanding the Quran.

[Adam]

Adam,

Coming from PORUS ......., I will take that as a compliment.

It was indeed a compliment. I liked the way you accurately and succinctly made an Arabic grammatical point. In addition to 'maf'ool', lisan-e-daawat has borrowed lots of 'masdars', most of which do not begin with 'm'. Exception is 'muqaabala' (mufaa'ala). One example is 'talaqqi'.

Thank you for the compliment.
Yes, LD does use a lot of Masdars. I would like to know about your research in to the Lisan Dawat Grammar.

I recall a previous discussion in which we argued if 'dhul fiqaar' was an 'idafa' or not. I have done some reading and conclude that you were right. 'dhu' is one of 'asmaa'ul khamsa' and follows similar 'sarf' rules. However, when used in 'dhul fiqaar', it behaves as 'zarf ul-makaan' (maf'ool fihi). Hence it is 'mudaf' , 'mudaf ilayhi' structure.

Yes, I recall this discussion. Too bad AL- Zulfiqar wont agree.

By the way, I must point out that neither of the examples you quoted, masjid and madrassa, are maf'ool. They are examples of 'ism al-makaan'. Although, I can imagine them being used as maf'ool.

You are very correct. I was just trying to make the point clear that "M" can be used with every word, for brevity I used two common words. Masjid and Madrasah are indeed اسم المكان which also has a "M" in the beginning, like Maskan (hostel), Maktabah (Library). So "M" is used in every word.
The Maf'ool of سجد would actually be مسجود , hence a Qiblah would technically be a Masjood.

Thank you for clarifying that.[/color]

[anajmi]

Here is the interesting thing about this discussion regarding these two completing each others expertise in Arabic.

It was indeed a compliment. I liked the way you accurately and succinctly made an Arabic grammatical point.

and in the same post

By the way, I must point out that neither of the examples you quoted, masjid and madrassa, are maf'ool. They are examples of 'ism al-makaan'.

Apparently, Adam accurately and succinctly made an incorrect Arabic grammatical point.

[LionHunter]

There was a time when the Arabic of porus impressed me. But that was before I had any knowledge of it. But I have been studying Arabic for the last 2 years and that is no longer the case. I am still a beginner as far as the Quran is concerned, a beginner as in kindergarten, but his grasp of Arabic doesn't impress me anymore and neither does that of Adam. What they have presented is nothing more than basic Arabic grammar taught in the first semester of Arabic. If what they have presented is considered advanced Arabic, then consider me a scholar in Arabic!!

Remember, these are the people who still haven't understood from the Quran who the Ahlul Bayt are and are still opposed on who is allowed sajda by the Quran!!

Infact, according to porus, knowledge of Arabic has nothing to do with understanding the Quran.

this is very true understanding of QURAAN has nothing to do how great your arabic is, if that was the case all arabic professors would be awliyah or some kind of prophets.

QURAAN can be reached by HIQMAH, and only ALLAH decides to give this HIQMAH to whome ever he wishes.

ALHUMDOLILLAH.

[LionHunter]

ADAM is a good example about how arabic cant help to understand AL QURAAN.

he might be knowing arabic basics and might also be able to read quraan more accurately yet he is unable to understand simple message of QURAAN.

[LionHunter]

many jewish and christian professors from oxford and vetican knows better arabic then many islamic scholars...

[porus]

many jewish and christian professors from oxford and vetican knows better arabic then many islamic scholars...

Yes, that is possible, though not very probable. Could you cite names of some Jewish and Christian Professors who know better Arabic than 'named' Muslim Scholars? By the way, try using the word Muslim instead of Islamic.

Neither Adam nor I have mentioned the Quran in this conversation. Why are you doing it?

Can you list the number of discplines in the Sciences of the Quran (uloom ul-Quran) that you will need to master in order to acquire an 'understanding' of the Quran? Hint: Look at Quran Academy syllabus. Make sure if it does not list Classical Arabic in the curriculum.

There is 'anajmi academy of Quran' where you will become an expert in Quran without knowing any Arabic or learn Arabic 'anajmi-fashion' for two years and consider yourself qualified in making inane comments about Arabic knowledge of Adam and porus.

[LionHunter]

many jewish and christian professors from oxford and vetican knows better arabic then many islamic scholars...

Yes, that is possible, though not very probable. Could you cite names of some Jewish and Christian Professors who know better Arabic than 'named' Muslim Scholars? By the way, try using the word Muslim instead of Islamic.

Neither Adam nor I have mentioned the Quran in this conversation. Why are you doing it?

Can you list the number of discplines in the Sciences of the Quran (uloom ul-Quran) that you will need to master in order to acquire an 'understanding' of the Quran? Hint: Look at Quran Academy syllabus. Make sure if it does not list Classical Arabic in the curriculum.

There is 'anajmi academy of Quran' where you will become an expert in Quran without knowing any Arabic or learn Arabic 'anajmi-fashion' for two years and consider yourself qualified in making inane comments about Arabic knowledge of Adam and porus.

google for it.

http://www.bintjbeil.com/articles/en/02 ... bjews.html

and I was just talking about how Arabic is not needed specially when it comes to understanding of QURAAN.

one dont need to have masters or PHD to understand concept of tawheed.

[porus]

http://www.bintjbeil.com/articles/en/02 ... bjews.html

and I was just talking about how Arabic is not needed specially when it comes to understanding of QURAAN.

one dont need to have masters or PHD to understand concept of tawheed.

That website gives names of some non-Muslim Arab scholars. It does not give any comparison of their Arabic expertise with that of Muslim scholars. You claimed that there are 'many Jewish and Christian professors from Oxford and Vatican who know better Arabic than many Muslim Scholars'. Give me the names of these Professors from Oxford and Vatican and compare them with Muslim Scholars. Otherwise retract your statement.

If you do not know Arabic of the Quran then you will rely on understanding of others who know Arabic of the Quran. That would be second hand. You will then never be certain that your (in truth, their) understanding is correct.

Let us not even begin talking about 'Tawheed'. If it could be explained simply, why are volumes, in Arabic, written on Tawheed by great Muslim scholars? Ponder over that and then list some of the books on Tawheed that you have consulted.

[LionHunter]

http://www.bintjbeil.com/articles/en/02 ... bjews.html

and I was just talking about how Arabic is not needed specially when it comes to understanding of QURAAN.

one dont need to have masters or PHD to understand concept of tawheed.

That website gives names of some non-Muslim Arab scholars. It does not give any comparison of their Arabic expertise with that of Muslim scholars. You claimed that there are 'many Jewish and Christian professors from Oxford and Vatican who know better Arabic than many Muslim Scholars'. Give me the names of these Professors from Oxford and Vatican and compare them with Muslim Scholars. Otherwise retract your statement.

If you do not know Arabic of the Quran then you will rely on understanding of others who know Arabic of the Quran. That would be second hand. You will then never be certain that your (in truth, their) understanding is correct.

Let us not even begin talking about 'Tawheed'. If it could be explained simply, why are volumes, in Arabic, written on Tawheed by great Muslim scholars? Ponder over that and then list some of the books on Tawheed that you have consulted.

I am preety sure and I did came across to jewish and christians professors who are doing research on arabic and they know better then muslim scholars in many aspects.

as far as tawheed is concern, I strongly believe one dont need PHD or tons of books to understand that " our creator is one"

and this is the only reason ALLAH chose ummmi man (prophet Muhammed(s)) to be the last prophet of ISLAAM, to set an example that paper knowledge is useful to certain areas not every where.

[Adam]

@PORUS
*WARNING*
I suggest you stop after you've made your point clear, orelse, like every conversation, you'll end up banging your head on the wall!

[SBM]

@PORUS
*WARNING*
I suggest you stop after you've made your point clear, orelse, like every conversation, you'll end up banging your head on the wall!

Wow" Just like an Aamil Adam started issuing warnings. But Adam may be you never know that Br Porus may be a member of Qasre Aaali if I remember he mentioned in one of his previous post that he resides in Chicago and guess who also resides in Chicago hint Mazoon saheb's family..
just wonder