Sajda at Shrines

[hunni]

I have seen many ppl doing sajada at the Roza's in Burhanpur before doing the zyarat. I guess this has been started by Syedna itself and majority of the ppl are following it.

How does the ruling go on this ? On the other hand if Syedna himself can do sajada, then how its wrong if ppl do sajada to him ?

[porus]

I do not understand why this keeps coming up again and again. Allah has prohibited sajda to anyone except to Him alone. Allah's ruling on this issue should be final. Why is that so difficult to understand?

Let us go over this again. Here is ayat 37 from Surat Fussilat (41:37):

وَمِنْ آيَاتِهِ اللَّيْلُ وَالنَّهَارُ وَالشَّمْسُ وَالْقَمَرُ ۚ لَا تَسْجُدُوا لِلشَّمْسِ وَلَا لِلْقَمَرِ وَاسْجُدُوا لِلَّـهِ الَّذِي خَلَقَهُنَّ إِن كُنتُمْ إِيَّاهُ تَعْبُدُونَ

Everything that is in the creation is nothing but a sign of Allah. Allah is beyond all that. Everything that is created is subject to annihilation. Only Allah, beyond creation, He abides for ever.

In this ayat, Allah mentions the Sun and the Moon as examples of His signs and then forbids you to do sajda to them, and by extension to anything other than Him. The use of the Sun and the Moon is symbolic representing everything created. This device is also used in several other places in the Quran, particularly in the episodes involving Nabi Ibrahim when he realizes the folly of worshiping the Sun and the Moon.

How much more categorical can Allah get?

[LionHunter]

lets just keep sajda for ALLAH



period

[Adam]

Just clarifying the Ismaili Fatemi Dawoodi Bohra belief.

As stated in Kitab al Himmah, the Sajda to the Imam is actually a sajda and ta'zeem to Allah. Through the Imam reaching Allah. (Story of Adam AS and Yusuf AS). Sajda is only to Allah.

As explained by Syedi Sadiq Ali Saheb:
"Just like through a Masjid Qibla (Imam) who reach the Ka'bah (Allah)"

It is the amal of Syedna Saheb to keep the Qabr on his right or left side (depending where he stands) and give Sajda towards the Qibla.

Like I said, clarifying DB belief.
Others can say and do what they want.

[Bohra spring]

Syedi Sadiqali, who is he ? Why is he so influential in Bohra ideology ?

[Al Zulfiqar]

As stated in Kitab al Himmah, the Sajda to the Imam is actually a sajda and ta'zeem to Allah. Through the Imam reaching Allah. (Story of Adam AS and Yusuf AS). Sajda is only to Allah.

As explained by Syedi Sadiq Ali Saheb:
"Just like through a Masjid Qibla (Imam) who reach the Ka'bah (Allah)"

It is the amal of Syedna Saheb to keep the Qabr on his right or left side (depending where he stands) and give Sajda towards the Qibla.

Like I said, clarifying DB belief.
Others can say and do what they want.

yes, we know by now that you are a mushriq, trying every trick in the book and all sorts of fancy footwork to justify sajda to dai.

answer these few simple questions.

1. is the kitaab al himmah higher in rank than quran?
2. is sadiq ali a higher authority than the prophet or ali, who never ever allowed a sajda even to themselves? ali even went to the extent of calling someone who once did sajda to him as an enemy of islam.
3. why has sadiq ali become so important to bohra ideology all of a sudden, when for decades, they had banned his nasihats where he has clearly ended his narrative at the last true dai, the 46th, and then reintroduced the nasihats after careful doctoring and redaction of certain texts?
4. you are a wolf in lamb's clothing, we do not consider you a muslim and neither a spokesman for the true dawoodi bohra beliefs. you are an agent for the present corrupt dawat and a stooge planted here to mislead and spread lies and deceit. you can say and do whatever you want, no one is falling for your bullshit. be honest, have you managed to convert even one progressive minded bohra here with your kufr filled arguments?
5. as for the amal of syedna, what do we care for the amal's of a religious leader who goes out hunting wild animals for sport and pleasure? a sport indulged in the past only by decadent maharaja's and morally corrupt aristocrats? when the prophet himself has been quoted saying that those who cause needless pain, suffering and death to animals for no rational reason except personal pleasure, are to be condemned as they have incurred the wrath of allah?
6. what is the point of quoting the example of syedna who gladly accepts gold coins, bars, hefty salaams and women's jewellery on his birthday and who does not question the source of huge sums of money offered to him for ziyafats, kadambosi's, paghla's etc, when it is obvious to even the biggest fool that the majority of the money comes from tax evaders and people of dishonest character who drink, smoke and have a long list of vices? in fact all the money that the syedna and his family receive is itself undeclared and a crime against the laws of the country?

in conclusion, stop trying to sell your kufr crap here. go lecture the gullible fools in your jamaat who do sajdas to dai and will swallow any sabak garbage you dish out to them.

[seeker110]

Br.zulfeqar wrote
"5. as for the amal of syedna, what do we care for the amal's of a religious leader who goes out hunting wild animals for sport and pleasure?
I would not call it hunting, its simply killing. Does he look like a person who can stalk a prey with rifle and ammunition ? I think they bring the animal to his range, and he pulls the trigger.

[humanbeing]

It is the amal of Syedna Saheb to keep the Qabr on his right or left side (depending where he stands) and give Sajda towards the Qibla.

I have seen many bohras give sajda towards the direction of Qabr, Also if one pays a little attention to cries and wish list of people, they cry to deceased person in the Qabr of fulfilling their wishes.

“Maula mane aa aapi do and aam karo aapo etc”

Any comment ?

Or is this also a good question !

[alwan]

I do not understand why this keeps coming up again and again. Allah has prohibited sajda to anyone except to Him alone. Allah's ruling on this issue should be final. Why is that so difficult to understand?

Let us go over this again. Here is ayat 37 from Surat Fussilat (41:37):

وَمِنْ آيَاتِهِ اللَّيْلُ وَالنَّهَارُ وَالشَّمْسُ وَالْقَمَرُ ۚ لَا تَسْجُدُوا لِلشَّمْسِ وَلَا لِلْقَمَرِ وَاسْجُدُوا لِلَّـهِ الَّذِي خَلَقَهُنَّ إِن كُنتُمْ إِيَّاهُ تَعْبُدُونَ

Everything that is in the creation is nothing but a sign of Allah. Allah is beyond all that. Everything that is created is subject to annihilation. Only Allah, beyond creation, He abides for ever.

In this ayat, Allah mentions the Sun and the Moon as examples of His signs and then forbids you to do sajda to them, and by extension to anything other than Him. The use of the Sun and the Moon is symbolic representing everything created. This device is also used in several other places in the Quran, particularly in the episodes involving Nabi Ibrahim when he realizes the folly of worshiping the Sun and the Moon.

How much more categorical can Allah get?

041:037 And of His signs are the night and the day, the sun and the moon. Prostrate not yourselves to the sun and moon, but bow yourselves to God who created them, if Him you serve.

maybe some people think prohibition of sajdas to the sun and the moon does not apply to God chosen Wasilas.

This verse 041:037 does not say Allah has prohibited sajda to anyone except to Him alone but its your interpretation only.

Otherwise how do you explain
Joseph’s parents prostrated before Him? (012:100)
eleven planets, and the sun, and the moon prostrated before Joseph? (012:004)