Does Molana Ali a Faqir, a Dervish, needs Gold on his gr
Does Molana Ali a Faqir, a Dervish, needs Gold on his gr
This is regarding fund raising tactics used by Bohra clergies. As we knowthe Present Dai (Bohra supreme leader) family is at helm for more than 120years. Bohras consider every one related to Dai sacred and pure like progenyof Mohammed and Ali. Bohras must bow, Salam, Taslim, and respect each maleor female member of this clan which number above 10,000 souls. Each member of this clan now possesses immense wealth. The wealth that iscollected from Bohras of India, Pakistan, Europe, Middle East, Far East,Europe, and USA. Presently a grandson of present Syedna is on fund raising tour of USA. Hisname is Ebrahim Bhaisaheb, 35; he is son of Shahzada Qaid Zoher. (Sons andgrand sons are called Prince and Princess and Syedna himself is calledSultan of Bohras, Master (Aqa), or Mola (Master))On July 20, 2008, Ebrahim Bhaisaheb came to Orange County center USA tocollect fund. He said he wants to build a golden Zari to Molana Ali's tombin Najaf and also reconstruct an old mosque in Kufa, Iraq. He exhorted womento giveaway whatever gold they were wearing for this project so that goldwill shine on Molana Ali Zari rather than on their bodies. He exhortedBohras to even sell their residence and contribute; even if they have tomove in an apartment, it was a great Sawab. He supplied envelopes to eachBohra present to stuff their gold. It is a clever trick of collecting.However, he was very arrogant and abusive and compelled Bohras in giving.The collection went on till 1:00 am, past mid night. People were not serveddinner till then and most left as they couldn't stand hunger and youngchildren got restless This made Ebrahim Bhaisaheb more angry. Molana Ali was a Faqir a Dervish; he was disconnected with wordy opulenceand Gold. I wonder why Ebrahim Bhaisaheb would force women to give up goldto adore Ali's grave. Why would he want Bohra families to sell their housesand live in apartments? To do so would be painful to Molana Ali's soul. Ingeneral, collected Bohra funds are never accounted for. They never post howmuch was collected and what balance remained. There is no account,whatsoever. Most of the time collected funds go into pockets of many, mostin Shehzadas' pockets that they further invest in Stock market and inventure capital. Every year so called grand schemes are purported, funds arecollected, and then nobody knows what happened to the last fund and a newscheme starts. No one dare ask or he will be kicked out of Jamat. In pastalso, some Zaris were made but the Ithna Ash'ari folks form Iraq and Irandisapproved; they discarded Bohra Zari. Bohra clergy then sold Zari'ssilver/gold to Bohras as Tabarruk. Bohras were told that angles had touchedthat Zari. Lot of money was collected second time from the same project. As we all know power and money is corrosive; it corrupts. We find so manyleaders and senators have mistresses and illegitimate relations. These globetrotting, young, rich, and powerful clerics can remain pure, isunimaginable. When any exploit comes to surface, it suppressed with greatforce and diplomacy.
Re: Does Molana Ali a Faqir, a Dervish, needs Gold on his gr
I am posting a more readable version. I understand that the said Ebrahim Bhaisaheb, the son of Shahzada Qaid Zoher is all poised to fleece Atlanta Bohras in a majlis organized for that purpose to-morrow.
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From: asghar vasanwala [mailto:asgharf@roadrunner.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 4:49 PM
To: ahl-e-shouq@lists.elistx.com
Subject: Does Molana Ali a Faqir, a Dervish,needs Gold on his grave? Are wenot hurting his soul?
This is regarding fund raising tactics used by Bohra clergies. As we know the Present Dai (Bohra supreme leader) family is at helm for more than 120 years. Bohras consider every one related to Dai sacred and pure like progeny of Mohammed and Ali. Bohras must bow, Salam, Taslim, and respect each male or female member of this clan which number above 10,000 souls.
Each member of this clan now possesses immense wealth. The wealth that is collected from Bohras of India, Pakistan, Europe, Middle East, Far East, Europe, and USA.
Presently a grandson of present Syedna is on fund raising tour of USA. His name is Ebrahim Bhaisaheb, 35; he is son of Shahzada Qaid Zoher. (Sons and grand sons are called Prince and Princess and Syedna himself is called Sultan of Bohras, Master (Aqa), or Mola (Master)) On July 20, 2008, Ebrahim Bhaisaheb came to Orange County center USA to collect fund. He said he wants to build a golden Zari to Molana Ali's tomb in Najaf and also reconstruct an old mosque in Kufa, Iraq. He exhorted women to giveaway whatever gold they were wearing for this project so that gold will shine on Molana Ali Zari rather than on their bodies. He exhorted Bohras to even sell their residence and contribute; even if they have to move in an apartment, it was a great Sawab. He supplied envelopes to each Bohra present to stuff their gold. It is a clever trick of collecting.
However, he was very arrogant and abusive and compelled Bohras in giving. The collection went on till 1:00 am, past mid night. People were not served dinner till then and most left as they couldn't stand hunger and young children got restless This made Ebrahim Bhaisaheb more angry.
Molana Ali was a Faqir a Dervish; he was disconnected with wordy opulence and Gold. I wonder why Ebrahim Bhaisaheb would force women to give up gold to adore Ali's grave. Why would he want Bohra families to sell their houses and live in apartments? To do so would be painful to Molana Ali's soul. In general, collected Bohra funds are never accounted for. They never post how much was collected and what balance remained. There is no account, whatsoever. Most of the time collected funds go into pockets of many, most in Shehzadas' pockets that they further invest in Stock market and in venture capital. Every year so called grand schemes are purported, funds are collected, and then nobody knows what happened to the last fund and a new scheme starts. No one dare ask or he will be kicked out of Jamat. In past also, some Zaris were made but the Ithna Ash'ari folks form Iraq and Iran disapproved; they discarded Bohra Zari. Bohra clergy then sold Zari's silver/gold to Bohras as Tabarruk. Bohras were told that angles had touched that Zari. Lot of money was collected second time from the same project.
As we all know power and money is corrosive; it corrupts. We find so many leaders and senators have mistresses and illegitimate relations. These globe trotting, young, rich, and powerful clerics can remain pure, is unimaginable. When any exploit comes to surface, it suppressed with great force and diplomacy.
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-----Original Message-----
From: asghar vasanwala [mailto:asgharf@roadrunner.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 4:49 PM
To: ahl-e-shouq@lists.elistx.com
Subject: Does Molana Ali a Faqir, a Dervish,needs Gold on his grave? Are wenot hurting his soul?
This is regarding fund raising tactics used by Bohra clergies. As we know the Present Dai (Bohra supreme leader) family is at helm for more than 120 years. Bohras consider every one related to Dai sacred and pure like progeny of Mohammed and Ali. Bohras must bow, Salam, Taslim, and respect each male or female member of this clan which number above 10,000 souls.
Each member of this clan now possesses immense wealth. The wealth that is collected from Bohras of India, Pakistan, Europe, Middle East, Far East, Europe, and USA.
Presently a grandson of present Syedna is on fund raising tour of USA. His name is Ebrahim Bhaisaheb, 35; he is son of Shahzada Qaid Zoher. (Sons and grand sons are called Prince and Princess and Syedna himself is called Sultan of Bohras, Master (Aqa), or Mola (Master)) On July 20, 2008, Ebrahim Bhaisaheb came to Orange County center USA to collect fund. He said he wants to build a golden Zari to Molana Ali's tomb in Najaf and also reconstruct an old mosque in Kufa, Iraq. He exhorted women to giveaway whatever gold they were wearing for this project so that gold will shine on Molana Ali Zari rather than on their bodies. He exhorted Bohras to even sell their residence and contribute; even if they have to move in an apartment, it was a great Sawab. He supplied envelopes to each Bohra present to stuff their gold. It is a clever trick of collecting.
However, he was very arrogant and abusive and compelled Bohras in giving. The collection went on till 1:00 am, past mid night. People were not served dinner till then and most left as they couldn't stand hunger and young children got restless This made Ebrahim Bhaisaheb more angry.
Molana Ali was a Faqir a Dervish; he was disconnected with wordy opulence and Gold. I wonder why Ebrahim Bhaisaheb would force women to give up gold to adore Ali's grave. Why would he want Bohra families to sell their houses and live in apartments? To do so would be painful to Molana Ali's soul. In general, collected Bohra funds are never accounted for. They never post how much was collected and what balance remained. There is no account, whatsoever. Most of the time collected funds go into pockets of many, most in Shehzadas' pockets that they further invest in Stock market and in venture capital. Every year so called grand schemes are purported, funds are collected, and then nobody knows what happened to the last fund and a new scheme starts. No one dare ask or he will be kicked out of Jamat. In past also, some Zaris were made but the Ithna Ash'ari folks form Iraq and Iran disapproved; they discarded Bohra Zari. Bohra clergy then sold Zari's silver/gold to Bohras as Tabarruk. Bohras were told that angles had touched that Zari. Lot of money was collected second time from the same project.
As we all know power and money is corrosive; it corrupts. We find so many leaders and senators have mistresses and illegitimate relations. These globe trotting, young, rich, and powerful clerics can remain pure, is unimaginable. When any exploit comes to surface, it suppressed with great force and diplomacy.
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Re: Does Molana Ali a Faqir, a Dervish, needs Gold on his gr
Brother Aftab,
The new Idea of errecting Golden Zarih of Imam Ali invented only after the mass criticism of their evil plan to collect the gold for construction of Zarih for Syeda Fatima bint Mohammed (PBUH) in Madina. Every one knows that no one allowed to touch the graves in jannatul Baquee grave yard of Madina so the only option is to do something in Iraq again.
Lot of gold has been collected on the name of Zarih for Syeda Fatima and no one knows where it has gone. Even when they collect the gold, they never give the total quantity collected and used.
The new Idea of errecting Golden Zarih of Imam Ali invented only after the mass criticism of their evil plan to collect the gold for construction of Zarih for Syeda Fatima bint Mohammed (PBUH) in Madina. Every one knows that no one allowed to touch the graves in jannatul Baquee grave yard of Madina so the only option is to do something in Iraq again.
Lot of gold has been collected on the name of Zarih for Syeda Fatima and no one knows where it has gone. Even when they collect the gold, they never give the total quantity collected and used.
Re: Does Molana Ali a Faqir, a Dervish, needs Gold on his gr
Brother Hussain_KSA ,
What else is new? Good point.
What else is new? Good point.
Re: Does Molana Ali a Faqir, a Dervish, needs Gold on his gr
If Zarih in Iraq and Syria has to be re-done, I am sure Govt. of Iran can do in no time. Just as Saudis are taking very good care of Holy Mosques in Saudi Arabia( even though I dislike Saudi regime but I have to admire their dedication in keeping those 2 holy mosques clean and upgraded)in the same way, Iranian government can do the same, There has to be a reason why Iranian government or no Jafferia organization has ever requested funds to re- do the zarihs for Imam Ali or Imam Husain or any of the Ahl-ul-Bait
why this rush from KOTHARIS (Come on Taheris, jayanti, piggy, gulpie, TB, FB start your cursing attack on me and start your moula praising wagon for taking the gold from Bohra sheep, how low can they go?)
why this rush from KOTHARIS (Come on Taheris, jayanti, piggy, gulpie, TB, FB start your cursing attack on me and start your moula praising wagon for taking the gold from Bohra sheep, how low can they go?)
Re: Does Molana Ali a Faqir, a Dervish, needs Gold on his gr
Collection of gold in the name of Hazrat Ali gives a whole new meaning to "Ya Ali Madad"!!
Re: Does Molana Ali a Faqir, a Dervish, needs Gold on his gr
Proggies,
What is ur problem? What is wrong if the Zarih Mubarak of Moula Ali, Moulatena Fatema is made in gold,silver and jewwls? Do u have any problem with it? person calling Moulana Ali faqir is the biggest faqir and needs aql in bheek. Proggies have expertise in creating controversy out of nowhere. True what else can they do.
Please answer my question in yes/No.
Is there any problem in having zarih of imams in gold & silver?
What is ur problem? What is wrong if the Zarih Mubarak of Moula Ali, Moulatena Fatema is made in gold,silver and jewwls? Do u have any problem with it? person calling Moulana Ali faqir is the biggest faqir and needs aql in bheek. Proggies have expertise in creating controversy out of nowhere. True what else can they do.
Please answer my question in yes/No.
Is there any problem in having zarih of imams in gold & silver?
Re: Does Molana Ali a Faqir, a Dervish, needs Gold on his gr
@truebohra
Why do you orthodox bohras have to react by galigaloch, whenever somebody posts something. Can't you reason? Is it alien to your upbringing?
Is courtesy not taught to you?
Please try and answer my question, without swearing and in a reasonable manner, then I will accept that you may have something that makes sense.
Why do you orthodox bohras have to react by galigaloch, whenever somebody posts something. Can't you reason? Is it alien to your upbringing?
Is courtesy not taught to you?
Please try and answer my question, without swearing and in a reasonable manner, then I will accept that you may have something that makes sense.
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Re: Does Molana Ali a Faqir, a Dervish, needs Gold on his gr
There is no problem. All we want to say that they can't even touch the grave of Syeda Fatima in Madina than why they are collecting gold and fooling the bohras.
Even we are ready to donate some if there is some kind of transparncy or accountability. We all know what is their evil purpose and how they are cheating the masses.
Even we are ready to donate some if there is some kind of transparncy or accountability. We all know what is their evil purpose and how they are cheating the masses.
Re: Does Molana Ali a Faqir, a Dervish, needs Gold on his gr
Who is Collecting ? From whome ? Kidding ? Any Name ? REALLY ??? How much u gave ?Originally posted by Hussain_KSA:
There is no problem. All we want to say that they can't even touch the grave of Syeda Fatima in Madina than why they are collecting gold and fooling the bohras.
Even we are ready to donate some if there is some kind of transparncy or accountability. We all know what is their evil purpose and how they are cheating the masses.
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Re: Does Molana Ali a Faqir, a Dervish, needs Gold on his gr
Local Aamil and jamat commeitee collecting it from abde syednas and orthodox bohras. Do some reasearch and you will know the truth. I did not give as I am not abde syedna.Originally posted by babu:
Who is Collecting ? From whome ? Kidding ? Any Name ? REALLY ??? How much u gave ?Originally posted by Hussain_KSA:
There is no problem. All we want to say that they can't even touch the grave of Syeda Fatima in Madina than why they are collecting gold and fooling the bohras.
Even we are ready to donate some if there is some kind of transparncy or accountability. We all know what is their evil purpose and how they are cheating the masses.
Re: Does Molana Ali a Faqir, a Dervish, needs Gold on his gr
Decoration
I seek a simple man; a man without guild & decoration
I seek simple life; life without pomp
May every one else finds it anomalous
However, my heart finds it beautiful
Why do you decorate tombs of Godly Men?
Their thoughts, all you need
Pomp and luxury are seeking of lustful persons
Jogis and Qalandars seek only ashes
Call is pending from your creator
Decorate your life with jewelry of good deeds
Decorate like a Qalandar, away from travails
You must return to your creator
Oh my heart, get into indulgence
Take appointment with your creator
Though call may come tomorrow
Prepare for the meeting today
I seek a simple man; a man without guild & decoration
I seek simple life; life without pomp
May every one else finds it anomalous
However, my heart finds it beautiful
Why do you decorate tombs of Godly Men?
Their thoughts, all you need
Pomp and luxury are seeking of lustful persons
Jogis and Qalandars seek only ashes
Call is pending from your creator
Decorate your life with jewelry of good deeds
Decorate like a Qalandar, away from travails
You must return to your creator
Oh my heart, get into indulgence
Take appointment with your creator
Though call may come tomorrow
Prepare for the meeting today
Re: Does Molana Ali a Faqir, a Dervish, needs Gold on his gr
This is a poem a of a Gujarati poet Kamlesh Sonawala, on issue of decoratingtombs and idols.
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Hussain_KSA
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Re: Does Molana Ali a Faqir, a Dervish, needs Gold on his gr
marvelous post brother Aftab.