Shias and Sunnis

[anajmi]

Kufri at perfect zero,

You are kicking no one's ass over here except your own like a circus clown. If according to you, this forum is for entertainment only, then you are the biggest joker around here. And since you keep telling people to get laid, I am assuming you moonlight as a pimp too. And let us know how your foot tastes in your mouth after you have kicked your own ass with it.

who spends his life joining Shia Forums to trample on our beliefs

Didn't you say some website had rational arguments against your beliefs? Are you talking about people trampling on those beliefs? Foot-in-mouth-after-kick-in-ass anyone?

[badrijanab]

There is no Sunni Islam.
those who do not follow XYZ version of Islam but only follow Quran and authentic Sunnah of prophet have come to be known as Sunni Muslim.

1) Who authorised work of Bukhari, Muslim, etc to be AUTHENTIC sunnah? No one. Sunni ASSUMES & IMAGINE that their Siha-Sitta is completely true! Hence they are living in fool's (assumption) paradise.

2) You are so much distracted from Islam that to cover mistakes and sins of etc, etc & etc you have started claiming that Prophet Mohammed s.a.w.w. too can commit mistakes (citing forged and unproved and unattested and non-vetted fake hadees: Mohammed s.a.w.w. gave wrong advise about dates plantation). Per Sunni's Prophet Mohammed s.a.w.w. has committed error but their Bhikhari and non-Muslim cannot commit error in their Sahi's!!! Wah wah! Abde 1/2/3 are idiots in same way Abde MB or MS.

3) Sunni's act against the sunhat. Eg) Prophet s.a.w.w. never offered nafil namaz in congregation but Sunni's does!!!

4) Thousands of sects in Sunni's fight among themselves contending their way is correct Sunnat and rest are all wrong! So it is conning statement to say, "those who do not follow XYZ version of Islam but only follow Quran and authentic Sunnah of prophet have come to be known as Sunni Muslim."

5) Prophet Mohammed s.a.w.w. has not authorised 1/2/3 as any Islamic authority after him. They are self appointed Godman like Asaram or Burhanuddin sahib or Nityanada. If they do not have any authority then why Sunni's follow them!!! Because they are brainwashed and intellectually dishonest.

[anajmi]

Admin,

If you do not want any shia vs sunni discussions then why is this thread still open? Please lock it.

[zinger]

Admin,

If you do not want any shia vs sunni discussions then why is this thread still open? Please lock it.

sorry bro, but if you dont want admin to allow any shia-sunni discussions, then sunni's shouldnt be allowed here to begin with!

[anajmi]

That is a good point. I guess we can have shia sunni discussion after all. I hope you people won't be running to the Admin to ban the Sunnis anymore and neither will badrijanab, I guess.

[salaar]

this guy anajmi is not a sunni he is probably from the worst form of wahabiyat and i feel he never was frm a bohra family i recommend to check his lineage i wont be surprised if it just go straight and links up to his forefather abu sufiyan

[silvertongue]

Shia sunni discussions are endless.. Instead of wasting time for that we need to focus on the current events that are taking place in our community.

[Muslim First]

Shia sunni discussions are endless.. Instead of wasting time for that we need to focus on the current events that are taking place in our community.

There are four Bohra forum for that. This is Islam forum and we non Bora respond only when needed.
Br anajmi is ex Bohra and does participate in Bohra forums.

Yes you are right "Shia sunni discussions are endless". It is not going to stop here.

BTW you should read this by ex Shia
HOW TO APPROACH THE SHIA BROTHERS/SISTERS – A STRAIGHT FORWARD LOGIC INSTEAD OF A NEVER ENDING DEBATE
These days any one who is interested in discussion on Islamic subjects will come across a lot of discussion boards where there are a long and often-pointless debates going on between Shia Muslims and Mainstream Muslims (I prefer to use the term “Main Stream” rather than Sunnis which gives an impression of sectarianism).

More read at
http://islamistruth.forumotion.com/t23- ... rs-sisters
Wasalaam

[silvertongue]

My brother if there was any way to solve this issue then Shia and Sunnis wouldn't have been fighting since 1400 years.. No matter how the approach or whatever the proofs.. There is no end to it.

[Muslim First]

My brother if there was any way to solve this issue then Shia and Sunnis wouldn't have been fighting since 1400 years.. No matter how the approach or whatever the proofs.. There is no end to it.

Do Shia ever wonder after Ghadir Mansoos Ali should have become no.2 for last 6 months of Prophet's life.
Why were Ansars gathered at Sakifa, didn't they know Prophet had already appointed Ali as their Maula? Why didn't Prophet ask Ali, his appointed Mansoos to lead prayers and run affairs of Muslim in his absence due to illness.

Read this

Rational proofs which refute the Shia myth of taking Ali(ra) as a divinely appointed Caliph.

Rational Proof #1:
The occurrence of incident of Saqifah itself is an irrefutable proof that, there wasn’t a divine Caliph after Prophet(saw) nor was there a Caliph appointed by Prophet(saw).

Rational Proof #2:
Allegations Against Uthman(ra) Disproves Wilayat of Ali(ra)

Rational Proof #3:
Letter of Ali(ra) to Mu’awiya(ra) disapproves that, Ali(ra) considered himself to be divinely appointed Caliph.

Rational Proof #4:
Ali(ra) not making takfeer of those who fought against him proves that he was wasn’t divinely appointed Caliph.

Rational Proof #5:
Ali(ra) refutes his supposed Caliphate after Prophet, while refuting Ansar.

Conclusion:
Hence in the light of above mentioned rational proofs it is proven, that the Caliph after Prophet(saw) wasn’t going to be a divinely appointed person from progeny of Prophet(i.e Ali). These are some important facts which readers should ponder over, in order to analyze the reality regarding the false claim of Shi’ites that Ali(ra) was divinely appointed Caliph by Allah or Prophet.

Allah(swt) states in his Book: No soul can believe except by Allah’s will, and He brings disgrace on those who do not use their reason.(Quran 10:100).

Read all this at
http://youpuncturedtheark.wordpress.com ... ed-caliph/

[KA786]

My brother if there was any way to solve this issue then Shia and Sunnis wouldn't have been fighting since 1400 years.. No matter how the approach or whatever the proofs.. There is no end to it.

Very aptly put. We should leave each person to their own conclusion and respect it even if it does not agree with your understanding. Because 'There is no compulsion' in the matter of faith. And God is the ONLY judge of one's faith.

As mentioned in the Holy Quran:

"No soul can believe, except by the will of Allah, and He will place doubt (or obscurity) on those who will not understand."(10:100)

Just pray that God does consider us among those who understand (so we continue to have strong faith)

For any one who is serious about the subject and has an open mind should study this book (there is an English translation):
Al-Muraja'at A Shi'i-Sunni dialogue
By Sayyid 'Abd al-Husayn Sharaf al-Din al-Musawi

Best Regards

[JavedhJuma]

[quote][/silvertongue wrote:
My brother if there was any way to solve this issue then Shia and Sunnis wouldn't have been fighting since 1400 years.. No matter how the approach or whatever the proofs.. There is no end to it.quote]

Get rid of the Mullahs who are the boulders in the path of people and who breed contempt and hatred in peoples' hearts. They convince children to kill Shias by strapping bombs, with the promise of virgins in Paradise! Without Mullas people would be like brothers and sisters. They do not need Mullas to interpret Qur'an. People can use their own Aql. Before Al-Qaeda ran over Iraq, Sunnis and Shias lived peacefully. They even inter-married. With infiltration of Al-Qaeda into Iraq during the war, Shia and Sunni wars broke out.

Those who kill people for Virgins in Paradise should ask the Mullas to strap bombs to themselves as a demonstration!

Follow a Mulla and you are doomed!

It was sad to watch the documentary on Mumbai Attack, in which the person at the other end tells the suicide bomber to kill innocent people, especially the Jewish couple, because that was Allah SWT's wish and they will get houris in Paradise.

What sick minds!

[silvertongue]

True indeed.. Mullas are doing business in the name of religion and be it from any sect. Either it will be money or power, normal people are being dragged to slavery and people are so innocent to do that. May be coz of fear of survival in the society. and as for Muslim First rational proofs, I think even if we keep aside every proof of Quran or Hadith, the first and foremost Sahaba in every quality we compare Ali a.s. comes on the top list. Bravery, Politics, Poetry, Astronomy, Faithfullness, Loyalty, First Male Muslim, victorious, you can bring any quality and Ali a.s is at the top of list. Its mere logic to simplify it rather than making it complicated. I would again like to quote that majority of them just bring down the Quran and start commenting what they fir right and defend their views, but note this, "Islam was spread by the Sword of Ali and the wealth of Khadija" - Prophet Mohammed pbuh.

[AMAFHH]

My brother if there was any way to solve this issue then Shia and Sunnis wouldn't have been fighting since 1400 years.. No matter how the approach or whatever the proofs.. There is no end to it.

Do Shia ever wonder after Ghadir Mansoos Ali should have become no.2 for last 6 months of Prophet's life.
Why were Ansars gathered at Sakifa, didn't they know Prophet had already appointed Ali as their Maula? Why didn't Prophet ask Ali, his appointed Mansoos to lead prayers and run affairs of Muslim in his absence due to illness.

Read this

Rational proofs which refute the Shia myth of taking Ali(ra) as a divinely appointed Caliph.

Rational Proof #1:
The occurrence of incident of Saqifah itself is an irrefutable proof that, there wasn’t a divine Caliph after Prophet(saw) nor was there a Caliph appointed by Prophet(saw).

Rational Proof #2:
Allegations Against Uthman(ra) Disproves Wilayat of Ali(ra)

Rational Proof #3:
Letter of Ali(ra) to Mu’awiya(ra) disapproves that, Ali(ra) considered himself to be divinely appointed Caliph.

Rational Proof #4:
Ali(ra) not making takfeer of those who fought against him proves that he was wasn’t divinely appointed Caliph.

Rational Proof #5:
Ali(ra) refutes his supposed Caliphate after Prophet, while refuting Ansar.

Conclusion:
Hence in the light of above mentioned rational proofs it is proven, that the Caliph after Prophet(saw) wasn’t going to be a divinely appointed person from progeny of Prophet(i.e Ali). These are some important facts which readers should ponder over, in order to analyze the reality regarding the false claim of Shi’ites that Ali(ra) was divinely appointed Caliph by Allah or Prophet.

Allah(swt) states in his Book: No soul can believe except by Allah’s will, and He brings disgrace on those who do not use their reason.(Quran 10:100).

Read all this at
http://youpuncturedtheark.wordpress.com ... ed-caliph/

At the event of Ghadeer Umar ,Abu Bakr & Othman have given the Oath of Allegiance to Ali(A.s) and this is is Narrated in many Sunni Books

[silvertongue]

infact Umar was the first one..

[Muslim First]

infact Umar was the first one..

Was it oath or congretulation?

If Ali was appointed Mansoos then drama at Sakifa was not necessary.

Read
Rational proof #1 and learn

[KA786]

infact Umar was the first one..

Was it oath or congretulation?

If Ali was appointed Mansoos then drama at Sakifa was not necessary.

Read
Rational proof #1 and learn

The drama at sakifa happened because those who were gathered there chose not to follow Holy Prophet's (PBUH) Ghadeer Khum command.

Using the word "rational' does not make rational.

I can understand you want to rationalize your sect's false premise for its existence. You can do that on your own salafi forums.

Oh Allah protect us from people who try to mislead knowingly.

[anajmi]

Actually, the prophet (saw) did not issue any command at ghadeer. It is simply an erroneous interpretation and almost all people at ghadeer understood it as such except the ones who were bent upon creating fitna.

[Muslim First]

Oh Allah protect us from people who try to mislead knowingly.

Aamin
Like Followers of white guy who claims copy of Allah and Noor of Allah,
Do they realize that he needs to eat and drink and pee and take crap just like other human beings.

Brother

Imams do not fly it is Al Stupido Murid like you make them fly.

O he is Noor Allah, o he is Noor Allah, B.S.
He wears pants one leg at times just like you.

Can he recite Sura Rehman verbatim?

[Muslim First]

The reality is that Ghadir Khum is one piece of the puzzle, all the other puzzles before and after it must fit, but they don't. Many other puzzles contradict Ghadir Khum; Imam Ali withdrawing his divinely appointed successorship and giving allegiance to Abu Bakr, overwhelming Muslims (99.99%) not supporting Imam Ali as a successor nor believing he was a divine agent, no mention in the Quran of Imam Ali or that the Prophet will have divine successor, the concept of Imamat not clearly defined in the Quran, Imam Ali never declared to the masses that Allah chose him as a divine agent,

[KA786]

Your behavior reminds me of the resistance and tactics which Iblis used to not obey Gods order to prostrate in front of Adam(PBUH). Your denial will not make 'Ghadder Khum' hadith go away. Hazrat Ali (A.S) is with Haq and Haq is with Hazrat Ali (A.S). As the Holy Prophet (PBUH) said I am the city of Knowledge and Ali (A.S) is its gate. Whoever wants to enter the city, enter properly through the gate. That is why even Sunni based Sufi orders consider Ali (A.S) as their Wali as well. But alas, your purpose here is not to understand. Allah guides whom He chooses. Oh Allah send your Blessings to Muhammad(A.S) and His Progeny.

[JavedhJuma]

Oh Allah protect us from people who try to mislead knowingly.

Aamin
Like Followers of white guy who claims copy of Allah and Noor of Allah,
Do they realize that he needs to eat and drink and pee and take crap just like other human beings.

Brother

O he is Noor Allah, o he is Noor Allah, B.S.
He wears pants one leg at times just like you.

Can he recite Sura Rehman verbatim?

Yes, he can, now can you? If you knew the meaning of Sura Raheman you wouild not be showing your stupid face on this forum.Listen brother. stop shaking in rage. It is not the Sunnah of Prophet and false rage against anybody is not in Qur'an. It is the sign of a jealous person

Listen what you are saying is not a sign of a good Muslim. White guy, ha, ha, ha! Read the rest of your post. I wonder why Admin allows such childish posts on a forum like this.

Continue your hatred, afterall, my Imam is doing his job and you are greeen with envy. Ha! ha! ha!

Remember next year Canadian schools are going to teach about Aga Khan and your children will have no choice but to learn about him. Touche.

Imams do not fly it is Al Stupido Murid like you make them fly.

Huh???? Are you smoking something?

Good Muslims do not envy others because they are secure in their beliefs. They are calm and cool people. Unless of course, they follow your cult Then it is a different story.

[JavedhJuma]

Was it oath or congretulation?

If Ali was appointed Mansoos then drama at Sakifa was not necessary.

.

Drama at Sakifa happened because they knew Ali AS was busy with the burial of the Prophet SAW. Tell me, MF, whose Sunnah you follow, if you were present when the Prophet SAW passed away, would you have left him and run to choose a new leader! What was the hurry! The hurry was that Ali AS would not be there to remind them of the message of Ghadeer E Khum.

Another thing, what did Hazarat Umar congratulate Ali AS for. Say for the sake of argument, it was not an oath although he called Ali AS: Amirul Momnin. Why did Hazarat Umar congratulate Ali AS

We are grown adults. Why fight like kids over matters of personal choice, afterall, Allah SWT says there is no compulsion in religion. You follow yours and let us follow ours. No matter how you bad mouth our Imam, it is not hurting him, it is only hurting you because look at the rage you are going through. Anger is not a sign of good Mominin. Peace.

[anajmi]

Holy Prophet (PBUH) said I am the city of Knowledge and Ali (A.S) is its gate.

Well, Ali (as) is dead. Good luck entering the city of knowledge without the gate!!

[KA786]

Why so much hate and show of ignorance? I will still reply. I am already living inside the city of knowledge by the Grace of Almighty Allah, by accepting Ali (A.S) as my Imam after Holy Prophet (PBUH). Allah guides whom He chooses. Oh Allah send your Blessings to Muhammad(A.S) and His Progeny.

[salaar]

enemity of Maula ALI will keep his enemies burning till they finally enter into the gates of hell, Ali has departed from this world but his philosophy his ideologies and his love will keep warming the hearts of his Shias, NARA E HAIDRY..... YA ALIIIIII

[anajmi]

salaar,

Your lack of knowledge has been exposed on this board many times. So we can assume that you are not living in the city of knowledge. And now, you have two cities of knowledge. And since the gate is gone, you are not going to be entering the city anytime soon.

KA786,

Stop talking nonsense. Ali is dead and that is a fact. Not hatred or ignorance. You are living in the city of ignorance and not knowledge. If you had knowledge you would've known the difference between tawheed and idol worshipping.

The fact that the two of you think that it is not possible to get knowledge or enter jannah without accepting Ali (whatever the heck that means) automatically makes you guys mushriks. I accept only the teachings of Ali (ra). And there are many of those. I don't care if he was supposed to be the first Imam or first khalifa. It doesn't matter to me. If the only knowledge that Ali is providing to you guys is about his own elevated position, then you guys are doomed!!

[salaar]

WE SAY LAANATULLAH AL KAZIMEEN on the knowledge and ilm minus Maula Ali, there have been many who tried to trespass the city of ILM but we call them thieves

[anajmi]

What you call whom and what you say doesn't really matter. I call you fools and mushriks, but does that matter to you? Of course not.

[salaar]

whos denying that