Imam Hussain RECITATION OF QURAN ON A LANCE

[monginis]

Bismillah...

Sunni take on Imam Hussain RECITATION OF QURAN ON A LANCE

http://sunnitv.com/imam-hussains-recita ... a-lance-2/

[monginis]

Anajmi is a smart guy(some times), but still he is an idiot, so I posted this to make him aware what his own sunni madhab talks about Imam Hussain(s) miracles.

[salaar]

i tell you if Imam Hussain comes in person and reveal maujizaat even then people like anajmi would call it illusions and wont believe, brother there is no use wasting your time on these wahabies their hearts have been sealed

[monginis]

I know there is no point, but this is just HUJJAT/Dalil on him.

[anajmi]

Do you even know the meaning of HUJJAT/Dalil you moron? As soon as the guy said Ali was born inside kaaba, I realized that he was a stooge. And even if he isn't, I do not have to agree with everything every Sunni says no matter how weird it sounds. Is it in line with the Quran and the Sunnah of the prophet (saw)? Does it matter if Ali was born inside the kaaba? Isa (as) was born without a father. His miracle is described in detail in the Quran. If miraculous birth is a criteria for elevation of status, then Isa (as) has a far greater status than Ali (ra). How many bohras say Ya Isa? None. Why? If you worshipped Allah, then you would be objective with regards to his prophets. But you worship idols instead. Now stop wasting your time hunting these youtube videos. For every one video you can find, I can find three which rubbish everything you say.

[salaar]

when anbia a.s encountered with imtihaan or hardships they always took the vasila of Ali you fool but it is waste of time to talk with somebody who even doubts about the place of birth of Maula Ali, as i said earlier your heart is locked you wont believe them even if you try to

[KA786]

So much hatred for Ahl-ul Bayt by these neo-sunnis (Salafi/wahabi). There hearts are always burning with the fire of hate. They have become blind from heart. It does not matter how much they hate, when they offer their salat they still have to sent Durud to Holy Prophet (PBUH) and His progeny. It is a known and historically recorded fact that Hazrat Ali(A.S) was born inside the Kaaba. Your denial after 1400 years will not erase the truth. The best medicine for your aliment (hatred) is to recite Durud. Oh Allah send your Blessing to Muhammad (PBUHM) and His Progeny.

[Muslim First]

KarimAgakhani786
So much hatred for Ahl-ul Bayt by these neo-sunnis (Salafi/wahabi). There hearts are always burning with the fire of hate. They have become blind from heart.

It is not hatred for Ahl-ul Bayt. It is for worshippers of Ahl-ul Bayt. They worshipp Hiding Imam, Gaib Imam and Hazir Imam who is 75% European. His Noorani women are seen Half naked, he himself raises horses. He runs them in races, in which millions are bet and lots of lives are ruined. His hotels have gambling parlor and serve alcohol. He is twice divorced because he cheated on both of them. Now is that progeny of Rasul?

As far as Islam is concerned he was going to institute uniform Ismaili Namaaz 5 years ago.
Ma I ask brother KA 786, when he will issue Farman? Can he recite sure Al-Ala or Rehman verbatim?

[KA786]

There you go again, hurling labels/accusations/hate. You and your ilk have become so mad in hatred for Ahl-AlBayt, that you have gone completely bonkers and all logic has abandoned you. That must be very agonizing. I feel so sorry for you. May Allah have Mercy on you and give some contentment in your heart, so your yearning for hatred subsides. Peace. Oh Allah send your Blessing on Muhammad (PBUH) and His Progeny.

[salaar]

Muslim first and anajmi its not about agha khan or syedna Burhanuddin that matters to you it is the blood of abu jahal and abu sufiyan that is running in your veins that causes you to emit fire against Aale Rasool time after time, after the shahadat of Maula Hussain laeen Yazeed proudly declared that it is today that we have taken the revenge of our forefathers who were killed in Auhad and Badar apparently they accepted islam but their hearts were always filled with the fire of vengeance against Ali a.s , yes ofcourse the siblings of Yazeed are still on the look out for more revenge.

[KA786]

Bismillah...

Sunni take on Imam Hussain RECITATION OF QURAN ON A LANCE

http://sunnitv.com/imam-hussains-recita ... a-lance-2/

Coming back to original subject of the thread. Thanks for sharing. Very good video. A lover of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and his progeny.

[anajmi]

Can one of you guys post the original narration about Ali being born inside the kaaba? I am specifically looking for a narration from someone who was alive at the time of his birth or someone who heard it directly from Ali. Did his sons Hassan or Hussain ever state that Ali was born inside the kaaba? Is there a narration from the prophet (saw) that Ali was born inside the kaaba? How about Fatima (ra)? Does Ali himself narrate about his birth in Nahjul Balagha?

[salaar]

NO consider Ali was not born in Kaaba, these are all fairytales and yes the crack in the wall of kaaba is also not there close your eyes if you ever see it.

[monginis]

Anajmi is not even following sunni madhab, either he is paid agent of RSS or Bajrangdal.

he dont even respect opinion of his own scholars.

A true MORON.

[anajmi]

My original question was

Can one of you guys post the original narration about Ali being born inside the kaaba? I am specifically looking for a narration from someone who was alive at the time of his birth or someone who heard it directly from Ali. Did his sons Hassan or Hussain ever state that Ali was born inside the kaaba? Is there a narration from the prophet (saw) that Ali was born inside the kaaba? How about Fatima (ra)? Does Ali himself narrate about his birth in Nahjul Balagha?

2 idiots (salaar and monginis) obviously have no clue. They are nothing more than monkey see monkey do. Anyone else have a clue?

[KA786]

What is wrong with these two neo-sunni posters on this board? Why do not you search out the answer for your question your self? Because you have doubts we do not. And we do not care whether believe it or not. Your non-belief will not change Imam Ali's(A.S) stature. He is The wasi of the Nabi(PBUH). Naraa E Hydari: 'YA ALI' Oh Allah send your Blessing on Muhammad (PBUH) and His Progeny.

[anajmi]

So that brings the number to three lovers of Ali who have no clue. Anyone else want to guve it a shot?

[monginis]

So that brings the number to three lovers of Ali who have no clue. Anyone else want to guve it a shot?

go to mecca and see walls of kaba by your self, ask any sheikh (who is in khidmat of baitullah) you will get your reply.

fact is you denied your own scholars and now trying to divert topic, but dont worry we are enjoying your idiocy

[monginis]

but any ways just to put one more hujjat here you go,

Sunni sources

Nuru'd-din Bin Sabbagh Maliki in his Fusulu'l- Muhimma, Fasl I, p. 14:

"No one before Ali was born in the Ka'ba. This was a distinction given to Ali in order to enhance his honor, rank, and dignity." [1]
Masudi, writes on page 76 of Volume II of his book, Murooj-udh-Dhahab (The Golden Meadows), that one of the greatest distinctions that Ali enjoyed was that he was born in the House of Allah

1.Muhammad ibn Talha el-Shafei in Matalib-us-saool, page 11.

2.Hakim in Mustadrak, page 483, Vol. III.

3.El-Umari in Sharh Ainia, page 15.

4.Halabi in Sira, page 165, Vol. I.

5.Sibt ibn al-Jauzi in Tadhkera Khawasil Ummah, page 7.

6.Ibn Sabbagh Maleki in Fusoolul Mohimma, page 14.

7.Muhammad bin Yousuf Shafei in Kifayet al-Talib, page 261.

8.Shablanji in Nurul Absar, page 76.

9.Ibn Zahra in Ghiyathul Ikhtisar, page 97.

10. Edvi in Nafhatul Qudsia, page 41.

[monginis]

Can one of you guys post the original narration about Ali being born inside the kaaba? I am specifically looking for a narration from someone who was alive at the time of his birth or someone who heard it directly from Ali. Did his sons Hassan or Hussain ever state that Ali was born inside the kaaba? Is there a narration from the prophet (saw) that Ali was born inside the kaaba? How about Fatima (ra)? Does Ali himself narrate about his birth in Nahjul Balagha?

and why do you think it is really important for ahlul bayt to even mention this?

may be it doesnt even matters to them? their life are more important to us, then where they are born and died.

[Muslim First]

My brothers in Islam

I googled and there is plent of information regarding crack.

Kaaba is structure believed to be built by Hz Ibrahim, it repaired, rebuilt many times. Being born there is chance and to believe in fairy tale that walls opened up and Hz Ali's mother was sucked in and Hz Ali was born etc. etc. are also fairy tale.

Google " The crack in Kaaba" and you will see plenty like this:

The authentic view of Ahl-e-Sunnat is that, Hazrat Ali (RA) was born in the kaaba. But it was an accident, or an unusual incident. Hazrat Ali (RA)'s mother had come to kaaba for some purpose, and Ali (RA) was born during her visit.

This doesn't make Ali (RA) superior. Kaaba was not a maternity home. If being born in the kaaba was a thing of greatness, the prophets, and in particular Rasoolulah (SAWW) would have been born in the kaaba.
http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/archive ... 38397.html

Being a professional with M.S. And 45 years of experience in forensic engineering in Geotechnical and structural field, cracks in masonry structure in desert Environment, subject to flash flooding is common. Cracks in such historical structures are sealed and there is reluctance not to remove blocks due to sentimental reasons.

The Kaaba has been repaired, rebuilt few times since birth of Hz. Ali.
It is more important to concentrate on Salat, Swam, Zakat and Hajj. Four footing of Islam. Without that you are Muslim in name only.
Wasalaam

[anajmi]

and why do you think it is really important for ahlul bayt to even mention this?

may be it doesnt even matters to them? their life are more important to us, then where they are born and died.

Good. So monginis has accepted that the birth of Ali inside the kaaba has not being mentioned by any Ahle Bayt. So we can hence conclude that it is a fabrication that was created later by over zealous "lovers" of Ali. monginis has, unwittingly, helped weaken one of the cornerstones of "love" that the "lovers" of Ali have for Ali.

Masudi, writes on page 76 of Volume II of his book, Murooj-udh-Dhahab (The Golden Meadows),

This is like saying - Anajmi writes on page 786 of his epic monument to the history of mankind "Al Chaloos bin Khaloos bin fek-ul-kabab" that monginis was born in a dumpster behind hotel Sarvi in Nagpada. A few generations from now his descendants will be saying Ya Monginis Ya Seekh Ya Kabab!!

[anajmi]

Oh and by the way, salaar mentioned something about not having suspicion because of a continuous chain upto the Ahle Bayt. Now, since no Ahle Bayt ever mentioned about the birth of Ali inside the Kaaba, how the hell did this come down to salaar? Supicious eh???

[KA786]

LOL. Your logic is pathetic. Go re-read posts again and again and try to not jump to false conclusions. Can you both hand-over your duties to any of your more learned neo-sunnis, so at-least they may make some cogent arguments and make it interesting? Oh Allah send your Blessing on Muhammad (PBUH) and His Progeny.

[anajmi]

My logic is simple. Since you have no reliable source, your information is faulty. And as per your own standards, you have the most reliable source which is the Ahle Bayt. And they have never mentioned about the birth of Ali inside the kaaba. Ergo, he wasn't born inside the kaaba, but it is a fairy tale created later on to elevate the status of Ali for idol worshippers.

[monginis]

Anajmi the more you open your filthy mouth against ahlul bayt the more you expose your self, SUNNI books are filled with ahlul bayt fazail, and denying them and your own scholars shows your true wahabi intentions.

its not a big deal for Ali to be born in Kaba or on arsh, it doesnt matters, his life and his fazail is more importaant to shia.


btw topic was reading of Quraan by Hussain(s) on lance, and its been confirmed by your own scholars, either discard them or say they are really idiots to believe on such fancy stories.(in both case you are loser)

[ghulam muhammed]

Instead of indulging in mud slinging why don't the shias and sunnis on this forum come on a common ground and strengthen the unity of Ummah which is most needed in present times. BTW, anajmi has asked an interesting question which should be answered in a manner which is convincing to both sides.

Even I believe that Mola Ali's status is so great that a mere birth factor cannot undermine his impeccable qualities, he is a role model not only for the Muslims but the entire human race. Leaders like him are born once in a lifetime.

[monginis]

his question is already replied by his own scholars, and now he denies them as well, this thread was all meant to expose his real belief, he is not even sunni, he is folllowing ibn saba and his teachings which are to deny fazail of Rasullullah(S) and his progeny.

[anajmi]

Actually, none of the people you quoted are my scholars. I don't know any of them and you obviously found them after a quickie google search. Nothing surprising over there. I myself did the search and these 10 names listed by the "lover" of Ali are often repeated on the internet. Someone probably created these names and then idiots like monginis ran around distributing them all over the place without any verification. I can safely say that monginis hasn't looked at even one of the references mentioned by himself. Infact, I vouch for it. If he has read even one of the references at the time of this post, I will cut my middle finger.

What is even more shocking is that you people are so fickle that you are now ready to believe Sunni "scholars" more than the Ahle Bayt. What a shame!!

By the way, Sunnis consider a source authentic only if his narration can be traced back to the prophet (saw) or one of his Sahaba. And since we have already agreed to the fact that the prophet Mohammad (saw) never said anything about Ali being born inside the kaaba, these sources can be rejected.

[monginis]

@ Anajmi

so can I take you deny and condemn as liars to all those "so called sunni scholars" ?

I am again stressing on point that taking birth in KABA is not a big virtue for ALI not even if he was born on ARSH, his virtues are his life.

according to sunnis there are more 14 people who was born in KABA.

here are there names.

1. Hakim ibn Hizam (d. 54, Madina)
2. `Asim ibn `Adi al-Badri
3. Huwaytib ibn `Abd al-`Uzza
4. Sa`d ibn Iyas al-Shaybani
5. Makhrama ibn Nawfal
6. Sa`id ibn Yarbu`
7. Sa`d ibn Junada al-`Awfi al-Ansari
8. HASSAN IBN THABIT radyAllahu Ta`ala anh,
the poet of the Prophet and the one supported by the Holy Spirit.
9. Abu `Umara `Abd Khayr ibn Yazid
10. Hamnan ibn `Awf
11. al-Muntaji`al-Najdi
12. Nafi` Abu Sulayman al-`Abdi
13. al-Lajlaj
14. Abu Shaddad al-`Umani