Inaction of Central Board

[reformbohra]

It is surprising that the central board has not taken the advantage of two dawedars fighting for bohra property? As per fundamental tenets of our constitution and democracy , only the central board or a board of trustee should get ownership of such properties and now this dawedar issue should be fully exploited to get the position of daee itself to be delegitimized officially. Once the post of daee is de recognized all the powers should be vested with the central board. This is a ripe time to create a strong pitch and liberate the bohra properties from these thiefs , as a corolary both the dawedars should also be arrested and put behind bars for extortion. KQ should infact be more responsible as he is the direct son of TS and a deputy dai , Mufaddal is lesser evil.

[reformbohra]

If there is proper pitching , then even the govt would love to get control over the bohra properties directly or indirectly(through central board) and the govt itslef can be convinced to fight for its right to appoint members of the central board and collect its share of revenue. The supreme court verdict is needed to form a fresh central board with members appointed by govt. Like how BMC bank etc were nationalized.

[Sufi monk]

after complete failure of luring dawoodi bohras to wahabi methodology, freebohra aka abbas petiwala is attacking reformists because this forum is not appreciating any of his wahabia shiit.

ADMIN kindly check this guy IP address and make it permanently banned.

thank you

[SBM]

For the attention of reformbohra
https://imageshack.com/i/nrb30sj

[Humsafar]

Mr reformbohra,
First off, stop pretending to be a bohra or reformist when you are neither. It's people like you give a bad name to reformists and this Forum. You are no more than a Saudi shill, hiding your concern for Bohras and their properties behind your Wahhabi ideology. How much are Saudis paying you for your troll work here? Or are you as brainwashed as abdes to do it for free?

[Ozdundee]

Mr RBohra...can you help us by advising how in detail on this blog you have started, PDB would take control of community assets while davedars are so called arguing . If your strategy is worthwhile surely it will take it on.

What is proper pitching to government ? How do we liberate properties ? Are you in the frontline of the fight ?

If your plan is worthwhile I will suggest you become the leader !

And by the way no Sunni Shia Wahhabi comments just tactical and operation planning steps.

[SBM]

Mr RBohra...can you help us by advising how in detail on this blog you have started, PDB would take control of community assets while davedars are so called arguing . If your strategy is worthwhile surely it will take it on.

What is proper pitching to government ? How do we liberate properties ? Are you in the frontline of the fight ?

If your plan is worthwhile I will suggest you become the leader !

And by the way no Sunni Shia Wahhabi comments just tactical and operation planning steps.

Ditto

[reformbohra]

bro humsafar,
It is really disgusting people always resort to "wahhabi" labeling . Well I used to be a bohra and I am no longer now alhamdulillah. But I see my relatives etc stuck in it. And I found that they are in not because they believe in it but because of the society. And this dai is the main culprit which keeps all things united and strong. Everything should be done to get the daee position to be de legitimized in court.

[reformbohra]

bro sbm,

I know about those cases and in none of them the actual daae position is challenged , why the reformists still want someone to be their daee? even when the dawedars themselves fight ? why you still have the belief in dai in your "about us" page?

Be practical and work towards complete explicit removal of the yolk of daee. I guess adamjee peerbhai also wanted this in his cases , but at that time only taher saifuddin was the claimant but this time we can clearly show that the dawedars are self declared and they have no authority from imam to be the daee.

[Sufi monk]

bro humsafar,
It is really disgusting people always resort to "wahhabi" labeling . Well I used to be a bohra and I am no longer now alhamdulillah. But I see my relatives etc stuck in it. And I found that they are in not because they believe in it but because of the society. And this dai is the main culprit which keeps all things united and strong. Everything should be done to get the daee position to be de legitimized in court.

this guy was a alawi bohra, and every one knows alawis are losers, now this guy wants to deviate bohras to wahabias.

[reformbohra]

this guy sufi monk is a the agent of KQ trying to get sympathy for his new found master because he does not have anywhere else to go , right?

chamdi gai lekin tangdi nahi gai?

It is you who is looser as you want some person like the KQ to be your daee, when he himself is naked in the same pool.

Dont you want to see a daee free bohra world with a group controlling rather then a single person?

[Sufi monk]

this guy sufi monk is a the agent of KQ trying to get sympathy for his new found master because he does not have anywhere else to go , right?

chamdi gai lekin tangdi nahi gai?

It is you who is looser as you want some person like the KQ to be your daee, when he himself is naked in the same pool.

Dont you want to see a daee free bohra world with a group controlling rather then a single person?

yes this is your level of understanding and your true motive...time for ADMIN to block ur new avatar as well.

alawi bohra trying to bring revolution and turning dawoodi bohras to become wahabi? ROFL haha

[zinger]

Reformbohra/freebhora and whoever else you are.

kindly take a hint and buzz off.

i would prefer to use a stronger word, one that suits your kind, but i will mind my manners on an open forum.

Anyways, you have nothing to do with Bohras, Dawoodi or Reformist, hence do us all a favour and go back to where you came from,

[reformbohra]

in poll it was agreed that non bohras are allowed to participate. PERIOD

Anyways even you people are not bohras , bohras are only those who believe in daee. And if you say otherwise then I am also a former bohra.

[zinger]

in poll it was agreed that non bohras are allowed to participate. PERIOD

Anyways even you people are not bohras , bohras are only those who believe in daee. And if you say otherwise then I am also a former bohra.

Participate, agreed. Diss, no. This is one of the reasons that Muslim First has been banned from here. And you are just 2 steps away from it

Belief in the Dai is one of the many tenets that make us Bohras. The others being the cultural influences.

And i know you are a "former" Bohra. The day you decided to move out, you were not a Bohra anymore. Hence kindly stay out of this.

And BTW, if it is your friends and family that you are concerned about, about being trapped in this community, please feel free to preach them. save yourself the time of posting here and us the time of replying to you

[Ozdundee]

Mr RBohra...can you help us by advising how in detail on this blog you have started, PDB would take control of community assets while davedars are so called arguing . If your strategy is worthwhile surely it will take it on.

What is proper pitching to government ? How do we liberate properties ? Are you in the frontline of the fight ?

If your plan is worthwhile I will suggest you become the leader !

And by the way no Sunni Shia Wahhabi comments just tactical and operation planning steps.

Rbohra stop avoiding the question...let us know what is your strategy, you mentioned you did not like what we are doing or have achieved ...so tell us or show us the way...I said answer without going into what you were or what you are now your ideology is your private affair...let us know how reformist can be more effective. If not respectfully stop making loose comments.

Admin within a few days if rbohra does not respond then please delete this whole topic.

I am not an official of the central board or a PDB member, but they are doing what many of us would not have courage ..so if you don't appreciate their effort at least have the courtesy to respect their motives. My wish is to ensure they go forward.

[reformbohra]

thanks ozundee for showing respect,
The main thread always gets disrupted into shia-wahhabi by this sufi monk , i never intend to use these labelling and i had made a post on that too. I hope people should stop accusing each other of wahhabi and unite and fight the common enemy=Bohra clergy. One should not discriminate between shia\wahhabi when the enemy is common.

My strategy is simple and straight forward , I request the central board to prepare a formal letter of application with their stamp with concrete evidences of religious misdeeds of the daee & co. And my responsibility is only to get it to the concerned authority in saudi.

Also the letter should clarify that common bohras are forced to to these unislamic rituals and hence only the daee should be prosecuted and not the common folk. I never heard a bohra praising kothar, no matter how great a abde he is.

[zinger]

thanks ozundee for showing respect,
The main thread always gets disrupted into shia-wahhabi by this sufi monk , i never intend to use these labelling and i had made a post on that too. I hope people should stop accusing each other of wahhabi and unite and fight the common enemy=Bohra clergy. One should not discriminate between shia\wahhabi when the enemy is common.

My strategy is simple and straight forward , I request the central board to prepare a formal letter of application with their stamp with concrete evidences of religious misdeeds of the daee & co. And my responsibility is only to get it to the concerned authority in saudi.

Also the letter should clarify that common bohras are forced to to these unislamic rituals and hence only the daee should be prosecuted and not the common folk. I never heard a bohra praising kothar, no matter how great a abde he is.

ReformBohra, give respect and you will get it in return too
And its not just Sufi Monk who does this. many non-Dawoodi Bohras are eqully guilty of it.

The moment you mock and ridicule our faith, get ready to get it back in equal measures. dont complain then that we are diverting the topic. you are asking for it to begin with

the strategy that you speak of, while well-intention-ed, is ridiculous because of who you are going to, for help.

its like asking a wolf to guard the sheep while the farmer is away.

and if you really think the people you are asking to play monitor are going to focus their energies on one target, then you are either extremely naive or extremely stupid. you have heard of a dirty bomb no doubt. the people you want to go to are dirty bombs.

you must have also heard of danger close and/or collateral damadge.

and you are right, there is no love lost in us for the Kothar but who are you to decide what we are forced into and what we do out of free will? Who died and made you God around here???

[chocoman]

OK here we go again, one more Wahabi scum........

[Ozdundee]

My strategy is simple and straight forward , I request the central board to prepare a formal letter of application with their stamp with concrete evidences of religious misdeeds of the daee & co. And my responsibility is only to get it to the concerned authority in saudi.

Also the letter should clarify that common bohras are forced to to these unislamic rituals and hence only the daee should be prosecuted and not the common folk. I never heard a bohra praising kothar, no matter how great a abde he is.

Forced to do what ? Be more specific give examples where force has been used ? Provide location details , time and date.

When you say Saudi you know what I told you before you do the work, you write in your on words and you send the message, why do you want some in another country or region do that. You don't need central board.

Are you claiming central board has those specifics or you are asking them to look for them ?

Don't confuse denial of services, that is not force to do certain acts under gun point or threat of life or displacement, genocide or eviction. You get my point. Are you confusing ideology propagation or brainwashing with exertion of force. These are 2 different issues.

Another point if you already have chosen an ideology , mind you I am not judging it, I admire many aspects of salaf, what is your motive to destabilise the kothar ? Do you believe that by doing so Bohras will convert to another ideology, do you want to come to power, what then....you have a strategy to attack , which I question even the Saudi are not that foolish to act on a letter of complaint that has not local benefit, but let us say they do act how will you end it ? I don't think Kothar will be arrested through international arrests on your idea. But Let's say Saudi act and ban Bohra from Saudi Arabia so what ? You know Abdes will continue elsewhere.

What is annoying by your approach that you have an idea good or bad, you want some sign of approval from some board, and when you are not getting your way you are criticising reformists and central board thanks for shooting from within the ranks. Just check the title of the topic you have chosen...inaction ...if you are that determined you do what you are suggesting don't wait for others.

This topic is going no where!