Shirk & Bidaat by Dawoodi Dai,N/A in Alavi & Sulemani

[AgnosticIndian]

Point was about Muslims being killed Muslims not A religion killing B religion.

Lets look at the number of people killed in inter religious fights in Christianity, the ISIS, Al-Qaeeda and other Muslim terrorist organisations look like saints as compared to Christian terrorists killing fellow Christians :-

1540 – 1570 Roman Catholic armies butcher at least 900,000 Waldensian Christians of all ages during this 30-year period.

1550 – 1560 Roman Catholic troops slaughter at least 250,000 Dutch Protestants via torture, hanging, and burning during this ten-year period.

1572 St. Bartholomew’s Day Massacre. French Roman Catholic soldiers begin killing Protestants in Paris on the night of August 24, 1572. The soldiers kill at least 10,000 Protestants during the first three days. At least 8000 more Protestants are killed as the slaughter spreads to the countryside.

1618 – 1648 The Thirty Years’ War. This bloody, religious war is planned, instigated, and orchestrated by the Roman Catholic Jesuit order and its agents in an attempt to exterminate all the Protestants in Europe. Many countries in central Europe lose up to half their population.

1641 – 1649 Eight years of Jesuit-instigated Roman Catholic butchery of Irish Protestants claims the lives of at least 100,000 Protestants.

1685 French Roman Catholic soldiers slaughter approximately 500,000 French Protestant Huguenots on the orders of Roman Catholic King Louis 14 of France.

1941 – 1945 The Roman Catholic Ustashi in the fascist state of Croatia butcher up to one million Serbian Orthodox Christians. Roman Catholic killer squads are often led by Franciscan priests, monks, and friars. This genocide is choreographed by two Jesuit prelates: Aloysius Stepinac and Ivan Saric.

For further details visit toughissues.org

http://amazingdiscoveries.org/R-Reforma ... _slaughter

I am not going to check on those facts for lack of time. I will only say that in modern times, more Muslims are killed by Muslims. 2 million at least in Syria, similar in Iraq. People getting killed from Pakistan to Libya,Tunisia. This in the 21st century not the Middle Ages which saw savagery. I thought we were moving towards better civility but no barabairaism has only increased and it's more so from Muslims butchering each other and also others and finding religious sanction or any such interpretation of it.

[anajmi]

Now who would want to learn how to be a good muslim from a foolish agnostic indian? There's too many non-muslim idiots teaching us how to be muslims and that is probably the reason why there is so much division. These morons should shut their ignorant traps and let the muslims figure it out.

[AgnosticIndian]

Now who would want to learn how to be a good muslim from a foolish agnostic indian? There's too many non-muslim idiots teaching us how to be muslims and that is probably the reason why there is so much division. These morons should shut their ignorant traps and let the muslims figure it out.

Exactly. Kill the ones that don't agree with your views. That's how Wahabis work. Be a good human, you will end up being a decent follower of Islam. Don't impose your views on others and accept criticism the way you criticize others. With Muslims its victim mentality ingrained and a sense of entitlement while they don't cede an inch to others and their beliefs & call them Kafirs, want to impose Jizya, convert entire world etc.

[anajmi]

Would you take the advice from a street side beggar on how to become a millionaire? Of course not.

Similarly, how to become a good muslim is not to be learned from a self proclaimed foolish agnostic. It is to be learnt from the best muslim, prophet Mohammad (saw). Who by the way, was an Arab.

[Biradar]

Now who would want to learn how to be a good muslim from a foolish agnostic indian? There's too many non-muslim idiots teaching us how to be muslims and that is probably the reason why there is so much division. These morons should shut their ignorant traps and let the muslims figure it out.

Exactly. Kill the ones that don't agree with your views. That's how Wahabis work. Be a good human, you will end up being a decent follower of Islam. Don't impose your views on others and accept criticism the way you criticize others. With Muslims its victim mentality ingrained and a sense of entitlement while they don't cede an inch to others and their beliefs & call them Kafirs, want to impose Jizya, convert entire world etc.

My friend AgnosticIndian I find it hard to agree with you. It is true that today some small minority of Muslims are in the news for being violent jaahils, cutting off heads and bombing this and that "raafidi" worship place. It is bad and one must condemn it and see how the situation can be improved. However, we must also look more carefully at the larger world and how colonialist, capitalist robber-barrons have essentially destroyed vast civilizations, killed millions of people and enslaved millions more to make a nice, tidy profit. The movements we see today, like the Taliban, the ISIS were cultivated by Western powers in a cynical move to topple governments they did not like, or to gain control of territories and mineral rights from local people. At one point the British Empire controlled most of the known world, through a dangerous divide-and-rule technique, which is still having far-reaching consequences. This is the worst sort of "convert the entire world" type of behavior, much more dangerous and has led to far more misery, poverty and destruction than these small-time Taliban and ISIS thugs. The US approach is less subtle and more dangerous: they simply bomb anyone who does not succumb to their demands. Entire countries (Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, etc. etc) have been bombed out of existence by the US military thugs. They are the real jihadis and the worst type of takfiris. Not the guy in the street with a small knife.

You conveniently forget that most (say 98%+) of Muslims have little interest in converting anyone and are going about their business like any one else. Even the Salafi/Wahaabi takfiris really don't want to convert anyone, and most of their violence (to be condemned) is directed towards their own people.

You are conveniently forgetting all this, possibly because you live in the West and think that Indians, Middle-Easterns and other non-Westerners are just stone-age barbarians. It is a sort of self-hatred, as I am also sure (I may be wrong) you are an Indian yourself. Perhaps you feel a white, middle-class latte sipping, red-haired hipster in a Starbucks is the epitome of civilization. Perhaps you think that some guy wearing a wig and putting on makeup and a dress and making it to the cover of Vanity Fair is the high-point of "liberal understanding". I do not know. All I see is that you seem to worship the West and hate everything non-Western.

My suggestion to you is to study history and understand the extreme destruction which has been wrought by these so-called liberal countries, and how they have managed to hide it under the guise of fake liberalism. I also suggest you try and understand how and why Islam is a liberating force for 100s of millions of people and how its message of egalitarianism is actually an essential one if we are to bring true justice to everyone.

[SBM]

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[SBM]

call them Kafirs, want to impose Jizya, convert entire world etc.

As your name implies Indian
Can you tell us what the current government of NaMo is doing under Ghar Wapsi, banning Beef consumption and forcing Surya Darshan in not imposing their belief system and trying to convert entire world (according to BJP, entire India will be Hindu by 2020 and entire world will be Hindu by 2030) So is your country India as any better in doing what you are accusing Muslims?

[AgnosticIndian]

call them Kafirs, want to impose Jizya, convert entire world etc.

As your name implies Indian
Can you tell us what the current government of NaMo is doing under Ghar Wapsi, banning Beef consumption and forcing Surya Darshan in not imposing their belief system and trying to convert entire world (according to BJP, entire India will be Hindu by 2020 and entire world will be Hindu by 2030) So is your country India as any better in doing what you are accusing Muslims?

Ghar Wapsi is voluntary and not under the sword or point of an AK-47. Banning beef has nothing to do with any religious sentiments of Muslims. More Hindus consume beef than Muslims in India.
Surya Namaskar is an exercise usually done in closed rooms of yog institute. Name it whatever else you want than get stuck up on it.

There are loonies in every community. I don't think that statement was passed by BJP as a party or by its member. It may have been said by VHP guy.

[AgnosticIndian]

Biradar,

I very much live in India & yes a liberal.

Rest of your post sounded like an apologist.

This forum is filled with Wahabi sympathizers or followers. Like I've always said, better be a moronic Abde than a Barbaric Wahabi

[SBM]

AgnotsticIndian
You sound more like a poster child for Muslim Bashers who have excuses for other faiths. I do not think even Indian Hindus or Christians have any TOLERANCE for Agnostics or Atheists so good luck for your pursuit of happiness in Hindu India. During riots Hindu zealots did not ask whether you were Agnostics or Hindu Sympathizers, so unless you start putting a Tikka on your forehead and wearing Saffron you would be treated as Muslim despite you despising Muslims.

[AgnosticIndian]

AgnotsticIndian
You sound more like a poster child for Muslim Bashers who have excuses for other faiths. I do not think even Indian Hindus or Christians have any TOLERANCE for Agnostics or Atheists so good luck for your pursuit of happiness in Hindu India. During riots Hindu zealots did not ask whether you were Agnostics or Hindu Sympathizers, so unless you start putting a Tikka on your forehead and wearing Saffron you would be treated as Muslim despite you despising Muslims.

Despise Muslims? When, how? Loonies are all round. Better to work towards better understanding towards each other and increase tolerance levels than make it difficult for ourselves & future generations to live in peace.

[Nafisa]

Dear Moderator
It is very much disturbing for all Bohras, progressive+Abdes that anything you find unpleasent,delete it from the text or entire post, but you have provided full liberty to Dushman e Ahl al Bait - Maloon Wahabis to discuss here thier filth and disturb our internal discussion of mutual interest.
When we are discussing our matters they enter in our conversation in a manner that it seems that one is discussing from progressive side while other is from Abde side but in fact both are Wahabis and through this trick they divert attention towards Wahabi Ghilazat.

[abde53]

Nafisa Bhen
Who are you calling Maloon Wahabi , Biradar Bhai, GM Bhai, SBM bhai or Agnosticindian
You posted a long list about Sydena Muffadal BS tell us what are you doing about it in Pakistan,
The only people who can do anything about SMS to stop this shirk and Bidaat are the Sunni Wahabi Mullahs in Pakistan as we Abdes have no power and no body in Shia community is going to do anything
So here is dilemma, SMS is doing all kind of shirk and Bidaat and only people who can stop him or go after him are the Wahabis so what should one do now? Ask our Maloon Wahabis or just stay as Abde or Slave since Progressives can not do too much about it and SKQ camp is just a silent spectator?
So Nafisa Bhen give us the solution and tell us what you have done so far.
Shukran

[yfm]

I fully agree with Abde53.

However, we should do something about our community. It has been hijacked by the SMS and he is very happy. He does not care a hoot about us. And we are all so worried about going to jannat with him, that it is now very comical.

[AgnosticIndian]

Nafisa Bhen
Who are you calling Maloon Wahabi , Biradar Bhai, GM Bhai, SBM bhai or Agnosticindian
You posted a long list about Sydena Muffadal BS tell us what are you doing about it in Pakistan,
The only people who can do anything about SMS to stop this shirk and Bidaat are the Sunni Wahabi Mullahs in Pakistan as we Abdes have no power and no body in Shia community is going to do anything
So here is dilemma, SMS is doing all kind of shirk and Bidaat and only people who can stop him or go after him are the Wahabis so what should one do now? Ask our Maloon Wahabis or just stay as Abde or Slave since Progressives can not do too much about it and SKQ camp is just a silent spectator?
So Nafisa Bhen give us the solution and tell us what you have done so far.
Shukran

No the answer is not "give the case" to Wahabis. The answer is to have a critical mass of people who come out in the open. I consider this critical mass to be about 25% of the community to shake Kothar.

There are various whatsapp groups of people who are not necessarily aligned to the views of many on this forum who are against SMS but these people too are against SMS. I happened to go to chennai last week, I found many people against but keeping mum as it has ramifications on their business.

If people network better and join hands and find safety in large numbers, Kothar will be shaken up badly and something will come off it

[Nafisa]

Nafisa Bhen
Who are you calling Maloon Wahabi , Biradar Bhai, GM Bhai, SBM bhai or Agnosticindian
You posted a long list about Sydena Muffadal BS tell us what are you doing about it in Pakistan,
The only people who can do anything about SMS to stop this shirk and Bidaat are the Sunni Wahabi Mullahs in Pakistan as we Abdes have no power and no body in Shia community is going to do anything
So here is dilemma, SMS is doing all kind of shirk and Bidaat and only people who can stop him or go after him are the Wahabis so what should one do now? Ask our Maloon Wahabis or just stay as Abde or Slave since Progressives can not do too much about it and SKQ camp is just a silent spectator?
So Nafisa Bhen give us the solution and tell us what you have done so far.
Shukran

No the answer is not "give the case" to Wahabis. The answer is to have a critical mass of people who come out in the open. I consider this critical mass to be about 25% of the community to shake Kothar.

There are various whatsapp groups of people who are not necessarily aligned to the views of many on this forum who are against SMS but these people too are against SMS. I happened to go to chennai last week, I found many people against but keeping mum as it has ramifications on their business.

If people network better and join hands and find safety in large numbers, Kothar will be shaken up badly and something will come off it

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Dear Readers
I have read carefully points of abde53 twice and agreed with him fully. I am an Indian and I understand well that Abde Dawoodi Bohras are slave of Muffy Choor. To expose Mufaddal and his open Shirk and Bidaat it is necessary to post the literature of the Kuthar among the Muslim scholars and media.

I did not address any sincere member of this board as Wahabi. I have discussed only the bitterest enemies of Ahl al Bait.
Please start Jihad against the nasty Dai Muffaddal son of Burhanuddin and his Kuthar immediately through social media.

[Al-Noor]

Hi dear Nafisa,

I give you better idea, write letter to ISIS they are specialist in all this.

[zinger]

Hi dear Nafisa,

I give you better idea, write letter to ISIS they are specialist in all this.

Here's a better idea, you do it. and when they come to murder your family members, then dont come crying here

[Nafisa]

ISIS or Al Daash is confirmed children of Shait'an Yazid. No doubt, they are fuel of Jahannam.
I did not say nor will advice our Mumineen to contact them for remedy against the trials of Mufaddal Saifuddin and his tyrant Kuthaar. Rather I should suggest spreading Mufaddali literature of Shirk, their details of Bidaat, money laundering and corruption along with audios - videos and photographs to worldwide Muslim Scholars, media, and members of the judiciary for awareness. When they will know all these, definitely they will not pay him due respect or visit him and join his feasts.

This reaction definitely destroys Mufaddal’s paid goodwill as a spiritual head of Dawoodi Bohras and public will address him as Mushrik. Muslim scholars will definitely condemn him. This reaction will change naturally the mindset of the Dawoodi Bohras, and blind followers will also start thinking, but spread the letter of information of the crimes of Mufaddal Saifuddin and his agents through social media.

[Al-Noor]

Hi dear Nafisa,

I give you better idea, write letter to ISIS they are specialist in all this.

Here's a better idea, you do it. and when they come to murder your family members, then dont come crying here

Alhumdollilah all my family is paak from shirk ....


but you can go and sing ghanu jiwo for your muffy devta.

[Al-Noor]

ISIS or Al Daash is confirmed children of Shait'an Yazid. No doubt, they are fuel of Jahannam.
I did not say nor will advice our Mumineen to contact them for remedy against the trials of Mufaddal Saifuddin and his tyrant Kuthaar. Rather I should suggest spreading Mufaddali literature of Shirk, their details of Bidaat, money laundering and corruption along with audios - videos and photographs to worldwide Muslim Scholars, media, and members of the judiciary for awareness. When they will know all these, definitely they will not pay him due respect or visit him and join his feasts.

This reaction definitely destroys Mufaddal’s paid goodwill as a spiritual head of Dawoodi Bohras and public will address him as Mushrik. Muslim scholars will definitely condemn him. This reaction will change naturally the mindset of the Dawoodi Bohras, and blind followers will also start thinking, but spread the letter of information of the crimes of Mufaddal Saifuddin and his agents through social media.

of course they are son of shaitaan and obviously I was joking, but yeah your idea is great and if you need any assistance let me know.

[Nafisa]

Bohras turned into Mushrik

[kseeker]

Agno
I was not trying to make two wrong one right, but trying to expose your hypocrisy blaming Muslims and Arabs and when historical facts are put in front of you, you decided to go easy way,
So if two wrongs do not make one right why blame Muslims alone all the time. Why not highlight the Muslim and Arab contributions to the World (science and architectural as well literature) or that does evade your intelligence

What is called Arab numerals as the world knows it, was invented in India. Arabs learnt it from us and took it across & Europeans learnt from them & called it Arab numerals. There are many other examples.

Again you used Arabs & Muslims in the same breath. Let use an example of APJ Abdul Kalam. Indian,patriot,great scientist. Get over the Arab thing. You can be a Muslim without having to ape Arabs

Can smell that cow dung and urine on you from all the way here... I am sure you got it's freshest batch of excretion early in the morning.. can be the only explanation for your Arnab Goswami style intellect and knowledge...

[Qadir]

Munafiqeen during the time of Syedna Qutbuddin Shaheed used to claim that Bohras are Mushrik. What's left of them today? Nothing.
Nafisa whoever you are, will not be remembered but the name Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin will always be remembered by lakhs of mumineen forever.
I didn't know this topic existed but someone suggested releasing books and waaz which is exactly what happened during Syedna Qutbuddin Shaheed's time and lead to his shahadat. Khuda ni laanat on dawat na dushmano.

[SBM]

Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin will always be remembered by lakhs of mumineen forever.

And millions and millions of people also remember Adolph Hitler and Mussolini to ( I donot mean to equate SMS to anyone of them but those tyrants killed innocent people physically while religious leaders are killing people morally and financially)

[RedBox]

Mufaddalis and Taheris are living in different world of blind faith. They are cursed by Allah.

Doors of hidayat are open for all. But when hearts are dead and ears are closed no hidayat can enter.

They cant see loot. Unislamic practices. Zulm. All they see is their fake idol promising jannah which he himself not going to enter.

[kseeker]

Munafiqeen during the time of Syedna Qutbuddin Shaheed used to claim that Bohras are Mushrik. What's left of them today? Nothing.
Nafisa whoever you are, will not be remembered but the name Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin will always be remembered by lakhs of mumineen forever.
I didn't know this topic existed but someone suggested releasing books and waaz which is exactly what happened during Syedna Qutbuddin Shaheed's time and lead to his shahadat. Khuda ni laanat on dawat na dushmano.

Let's hope Mufaddal is not "remembered by lakhs of mumineen forever" the way Yazid, Muawiya and Umar are...though the way he's heading.. it seems pretty possible.

Syedna Qutbuddin's shahadat was not due to books being released but due to the difference in calendar system.