

Yes sir i am totally agree with you.Each and every person has his own religion,Islam is a true path to connect individually to almighty Allah.Yes we have choices how to follow Islam but not necessary to take any particular sect ,you may do your spiritual journey yourself by understanding Quran by your ways.Mkenya wrote:yfm: Your question perturbs me and, I am sure, many on this forum. The phrase 'Pay allegiance to" is tied to the trumped-up Mishak by the Kothar. In olden times the word 'Beaat' was used to denote allegiance to a tribal leader or elder to secure assurance of protection from the ravages of war, etc. It was also an act of surrender and subjugation to a conquerer. 'Beaat' was either voluntary or under duress.
As a member of this forum, I take active interest in it and from time to time post comments. I am neither a follower of SMS or SKS. I drifted away from the Bohri faith during SBS era disgusted with the high-handedness, enforcement, coercion, etc. layered on the community. The
so-called Dawat has, over the years, metamorphosized from a Shia-Ismaili sect into a Hydra (a multi-headed mythological dragon).
I do not give allegiance or swear allegiance to any. Over the years 'Firkabaazi' has pitted one religion against another, one race against another, one colour against another, one region against another, one family against another and so on.
I would welcome comments from other posters.
So many of you question the increasing looting of Bohra community by Kothar. Many of you lumped all of both
factions in one bucket. It is obvious and well documented that the looting of Bohra and taking over of private Bohra
trust set up many prominent Bohras has been a operating mode for kotahr. There is also solid evidence that
this was started under Taher Saifuddin reign, continued through Buhaniddin era and is now reached an epidemic
stage under Muffadal. These people have converted Bohras from a devoutly religious and generous Shias to a cult.
I did have my hopes up when SKQ declared that he was the next Dai and early news letters and waez from
him and his children talked about returning back to Quran, Rasullah and reforms. Unfortunately, they are bogged
down in courts instead of focusing on original message. There lack of ability to organize an open and accountable
structure has created doubts about their motives. I wonder if SKQ lacks courage to criticize and fix abuses of his
father, brother and nephew. More and more it looks like, he simply wants the empire.
As many of you have suggested that there is no possible option to reform Bohras from Inside. Many of you want
to move on from this corrupt and greedy cult leaders and practice Islam as guided by Quran and Rasullah. I suggest
we continue to set up independent Bohra centers, stay connected, and preserve our identity. Lets abandon these
dynastic thugs and not waste our time, money and energy on them.
yfm,yfm wrote:Well said. Why do we need these dai's?
It is like giving allegiance to Yazid, because we are afraid of the repercussions than giving allegiance to Hussain even though we believe in Hussain.
Here we all including the progressive dawoody bohras giving their allegiance to the Dais even when they know that the dais are just for themselves and have no hoot about Islam or the followers of Islam.
It is a shame or so to speak a same.
Seriously man your intellect is sooooo questionable. You are ready to judge the sum total of a man's worth over the existence of a pool in his backyard....I guess Bill Gates who has pledged to donate nearly all his money to charity is worthless too because he has a pool (nay a whole lake!) in his backyard....Al-Noor wrote:
yfm got his senses back, simple as that. but again if KQ agrees to remove all his fancy titles and fancy claims there is no problem to follow him as a community leader. every group needs a leader....and if the leader is foresighted and humble in his ways its great. bohra culture and way of life is great as long as leader maintains the heritage and remains humble servant of Islam.
I will be glad to see if KQ removes swimming pool from his backyard in Thane....I dont have any hope from muffy at all.
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The Holy Prophet [s] said, "Whoever has two faces in this life will have two tongues made of fire on the Day of Judgment."
قال رسول الله (صلى الله عليه وآله): من كان له وجهان في الدنيا كان له يوم القيامة لسانان من نار
(al-Khisal)
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Existing swimming pool talks volume about persons living standards and way of living, Bill gates is not a religious leader so he can have swimming pool or whatever he wish to and I said I will be happy to see if he remove it, I never talked any thing about his worth.... and if you dont understand this simple thing than your intellect is more questionable than muffy abdes.objectiveobserver53 wrote:Seriously man your intellect is sooooo questionable. You are ready to judge the sum total of a man's worth over the existence of a pool in his backyard....I guess Bill Gates who has pledged to donate nearly all his money to charity is worthless too because he has a pool (nay a whole lake!) in his backyard....Al-Noor wrote:
yfm got his senses back, simple as that. but again if KQ agrees to remove all his fancy titles and fancy claims there is no problem to follow him as a community leader. every group needs a leader....and if the leader is foresighted and humble in his ways its great. bohra culture and way of life is great as long as leader maintains the heritage and remains humble servant of Islam.
I will be glad to see if KQ removes swimming pool from his backyard in Thane....I dont have any hope from muffy at all.
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The Holy Prophet [s] said, "Whoever has two faces in this life will have two tongues made of fire on the Day of Judgment."
قال رسول الله (صلى الله عليه وآله): من كان له وجهان في الدنيا كان له يوم القيامة لسانان من نار
(al-Khisal)
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Visiting the Imam's house was another surprise for us. The main door is a simple iron door, leading to a yard about six meters long. It has three rooms, inside each of which you will find a mattress and a cushion, and a simple sofa used by the Imam for sitting and sleeping on. The kitchen is under the stairs. There is a small room for him alone for studying, praying, reading and listening to the news; it is furnished with a chair, a small table, and some book shelves.
Al-Noor bhai,objectiveobserver53 wrote:Seriously man your intellect is sooooo questionable. You are ready to judge the sum total of a man's worth over the existence of a pool in his backyard....I guess Bill Gates who has pledged to donate nearly all his money to charity is worthless too because he has a pool (nay a whole lake!) in his backyard....Al-Noor wrote:
yfm got his senses back, simple as that. but again if KQ agrees to remove all his fancy titles and fancy claims there is no problem to follow him as a community leader. every group needs a leader....and if the leader is foresighted and humble in his ways its great. bohra culture and way of life is great as long as leader maintains the heritage and remains humble servant of Islam.
I will be glad to see if KQ removes swimming pool from his backyard in Thane....I dont have any hope from muffy at all.
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The Holy Prophet [s] said, "Whoever has two faces in this life will have two tongues made of fire on the Day of Judgment."
قال رسول الله (صلى الله عليه وآله): من كان له وجهان في الدنيا كان له يوم القيامة لسانان من نار
(al-Khisal)
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This is my point my brother, if some one cannot follow basic of islam and remain humble and down to earth in his living, he can never guide you to basic of Islam. he must practice principles of prophet (s) and Imam Ali and Imam Hussain of simplicity before he claims to be dai of these great personalities. but again I am not judging him, KQ and his team is doing good job so far, I just dont want to see a helipad or a swimming pool in the backyard of religious leader.I just wish he would get us more towards basic Islam
Bro qjbj,qjbj wrote:I have to disagree with your part about STS and SMB. I think both of them were forced to make compromises to suit the fitnati YN. YN and his kids had taken control of the dawat and anyone trying to do good or show flexibility was thrown in the fire. I'm sure you are aware of all of this.
bhai qjbj,qjbj wrote:GMbhai....I have to agree to some extent what you mention however I have to disagree with your part about STS and SMB. I think both of them were forced to make compromises to suit the fitnati YN. YN and his kids had taken control of the dawat and anyone trying to do good or show flexibility was thrown in the fire. I'm sure you are aware of all of this. But past is past. Question is what can be done in the present. As you mention, it will take changes from within Abdes themselves to bring about change. To help facilitate this change, probably very slowly, someone has to show the abdes the truth. This is something I feel the reform movement and SKQ movement can do with the advent of social networking and a marketing campaign aimed at abdes.
Syedna Dawood bin Qutubshah (RA), went to Akbar's court to prove that he is the true Dai. Similarly, Syedna Khuzaima Qutbuddin (TUS) has gone to the bombay high court to prove that he is the true Dai.